Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:13 am
Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:24 am
Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:55 am
grange_end1927 wrote:Mate,who are this?
There is a note that the club was advanced £7.3m from Tormen Finance Inc. – a company which has a common director with the club – at an interest rate of 8% on top of an existing £8.8m taking the figure to £13.5m.
Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:47 am
Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:50 am
Blueboys1927 wrote:Basically it's premier league or bust
Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:00 pm
Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:12 pm
Danny Says wrote:Value of our squad only £4.8m?
Zahore is worth more than that on his own but when the accounts were done he was worth probably diddly squat.
I appreciate player value is affected substantially by length of contract; what players are nearing end of contracts? Kadeem Harris if he resigns is going to be worth 7 figures I reckon. Gunnersson is worth £2-3m in today's market. Ralls also over £1m.
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:24 pm
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:29 pm
2blue2handle wrote:The wage bill cant be reduced while still strengthening. Whitts and Manga to of the highest earners gone instantly. Most or all of them out on loan can find new homes if we can get a buyer for them.
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:31 pm
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:31 pm
ccfcsince1962 wrote:2blue2handle wrote:The wage bill cant be reduced while still strengthening. Whitts and Manga to of the highest earners gone instantly. Most or all of them out on loan can find new homes if we can get a buyer for them.
Did you mean that the wage bill CAN be reduced while still strengthening the squad (a view with which I happen to agree)?
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:45 pm
JJ1927 wrote:Unfortunately I don't think some of the players have any value at all in the accounts even though their market value may run into millions.
I may not be completely correct but as I understand the players are valued at the cost to us e.g. transfer fees and possibly signing on fees. This cost is then written off over the life of the players contract. So if we paid £1.5 million for a player and he had a contract of three years, we would write off £500,000 a year. If that player was at end of the first year of the contact he would be worth £1 million.
So players like Ralls, Harris and Zahore will have little or no value in the accounts as we paid nothing or very little for them. Similarly, Gunnarson as he has been with us for approx 5 years and his cost was probably written off a few years ago.
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:55 pm
Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:00 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Trust chairman gives his verdict on Cardiff City’s finances Keith Morgan
Another substantial liability is a debt due to Tormen Finance Limited, in which CCFCH Chair Mehmet Dalman has a major interest. This company has helped CCFCH by lending it money at reasonable interest rates. However, the accounts say that the loans are secured against company assets when no such charge has been registered at Companies House suggesting that, in fact, the debt is unsecured (such charges should be registered within 21 days of their creation).
Keith Morgan, Chair, Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust
Trust chairman gives his verdict on Cardiff City’s finances Keith Morgan
Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:02 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Trust chairman gives his verdict on Cardiff City’s finances Keith Morgan
Another substantial liability is a debt due to Tormen Finance Limited, in which CCFCH Chair Mehmet Dalman has a major interest. This company has helped CCFCH by lending it money at reasonable interest rates. However, the accounts say that the loans are secured against company assets when no such charge has been registered at Companies House suggesting that, in fact, the debt is unsecured (such charges should be registered within 21 days of their creation).
Keith Morgan, Chair, Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust
Trust chairman gives his verdict on Cardiff City’s finances Keith Morgan
Echo's of Langston Mark II?
Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:06 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:As a rule of thumb over the most recent 3 year cycle we have lost £8.2m (2014), made a profit of £3.1m (2015) and lost £8.7m (2016). That makes a total loss of £13.8m over the cycle.
From what I understand a club can 'lose' up to £39m over that cycle. Therefore using my clumsy logic wouldn't that mean we could have some wriggle room of £25.2m if VT wanted to throw the kitchen sink at it?
I wouldn't expect that but it would seem that NW's request for £6/7m is not out of the question.
Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:44 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Trust chairman gives his verdict on Cardiff City’s finances Keith Morgan
Another substantial liability is a debt due to Tormen Finance Limited, in which CCFCH Chair Mehmet Dalman has a major interest. This company has helped CCFCH by lending it money at reasonable interest rates. However, the accounts say that the loans are secured against company assets when no such charge has been registered at Companies House suggesting that, in fact, the debt is unsecured (such charges should be registered within 21 days of their creation).
Keith Morgan, Chair, Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust
Trust chairman gives his verdict on Cardiff City’s finances Keith Morgan
Echo's of Langston Mark II?
Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:17 pm
Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:26 pm
nubbsy wrote:Ahhh remember when we owed Sam about 15m lol
Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:33 pm
nubbsy wrote:Ahhh remember when we owed Sam about 15m lol
Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:13 pm
Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:02 pm