Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:05 am
Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:14 am
Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:33 am
RV Casual wrote:Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:52 am
Forever Blue wrote:RV Casual wrote:Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
It's working for Bradford and it's building up regular big crowds now for years, I think they average 20,000 fans and No real success.
The return is massive in merchandise and adevertising etc
We hold 33,500 I think we would get 20,000 season ticket holders at prices say £199.00 for Adults and £50 for kids.
We would then be looking at 25,000 plus crowds![]()
Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:06 am
Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:28 am
GENERAL CHAT wrote:Be great to coincide this type of deal with the singing of Warnock, and get him shouting about it to promote the offer.
I'm sure if anyone can drive up attendances and ST sales it's him..!
Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:58 am
RV Casual wrote:Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:02 pm
Forever Blue wrote:RV Casual wrote:Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
It's working for Bradford and it's building up regular big crowds now for years, I think they average 20,000 fans and No real success.
The return is massive in merchandise and adevertising etc
We hold 33,500 I think we would get 20,000 season ticket holders at prices say £199.00 for Adults and £50 for kids.
We would then be looking at 25,000 plus crowds![]()
Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:24 pm
pembroke allan wrote:RV Casual wrote:Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
They have 17k ST holders at roughly half the cost of city's prices??? we have 11k ST so ticket income for us is more than theirs, thats not taking into account next season will see rise in our sales with NW effect ? Ok merchandise ect sales are probably higher at Bradford but not sure if it makes up shortfall ? Not against it just cannot see it being viable in long term for clubs like city and most other championship clubs. Mustn't forget we have around 3rd lowest ST prices in champ so cannot complain.
Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:50 pm
RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:RV Casual wrote:Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
They have 17k ST holders at roughly half the cost of city's prices??? we have 11k ST so ticket income for us is more than theirs, thats not taking into account next season will see rise in our sales with NW effect ? Ok merchandise ect sales are probably higher at Bradford but not sure if it makes up shortfall ? Not against it just cannot see it being viable in long term for clubs like city and most other championship clubs. Mustn't forget we have around 3rd lowest ST prices in champ so cannot complain.
Its not quite as simple as that Alan as we don't actually know what percentage of our season ticker sales are to full paying adults. It's quite possible that Bradford's income could be higher than ours if they have sold more full paying Adult tickets.
If we put together a package where a full paying Adult can get a season ticket anywhere in the Ninian Stand upper and lower tier's for £200 we could sell thousands and be much better off.
It's also a massive assumption to assume our season ticket sales are suddenly going to rocket just because NW is in charge.
Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:57 pm
Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:02 pm
Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:16 pm
Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:36 pm
pembroke allan wrote:For interested parties? ST prices at Bradford! £149 for adults/ oap/ and students., Under 16 £99 under 11s £5 plus there is membership sceme @ £50 season entitles you to pay £10 per match!!! Cannot believe their income from ST is more or equal to our ST income?
Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:07 pm
pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:For interested parties? ST prices at Bradford! £149 for adults/ oap/ and students., Under 16 £99 under 11s £5 plus there is membership sceme @ £50 season entitles you to pay £10 per match!!! Cannot believe their income from ST is more or equal to our ST income?
they have 17k ST holders they average roughly 18000 attendance! so not great walk up crowd when factor in some large away support from shef utd ect , This doesn't bring in much extra income during season? Is that sustainable in championship if city have structure like Bradfords?
Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:18 pm
Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:58 pm
RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:For interested parties? ST prices at Bradford! £149 for adults/ oap/ and students., Under 16 £99 under 11s £5 plus there is membership sceme @ £50 season entitles you to pay £10 per match!!! Cannot believe their income from ST is more or equal to our ST income?
they have 17k ST holders they average roughly 18000 attendance! so not great walk up crowd when factor in some large away support from shef utd ect , This doesn't bring in much extra income during season? Is that sustainable in championship if city have structure like Bradfords?
Allen, it has been said that we have 11,000 season ticket holders this season, how many of those do you think are full paying adults? 8-9,000? paying at the highest price £519 in Zone 1 and the lowest price £299 in Zone 4.
Being completely hypothetical here as none of us know the true figures but lets take a guess and assume that next season our season ticket sales increase by a few thousand and we sell 13,000 season tickets at the same prices as this season and lets say out of that 13,000, 10,000 are full paying adults.
Lets break that down and say 800 are paying £519 in Zone 1 = £415,200
Lets say 1,500 are paying £299 In Zone 4F = £448,500
Lets say 3,700 are paying £299 in Zone 4 = £1,106,300
And the rest 4,000 paying £369 in Zone 3 = £1,476,000
That's an income from full paying adults of £3,445,800
Now lets imagine the Club reduces the price in Zone 1 to £400 and £175 in Zones 4 and 4F and £200 in Zone 3.
At those prices we could end up selling 20,000 season tickets, lets say 15,000 of them were full paying adults and break it down.
Lets say 1,000 are paying £400 in Zone 1 = £400,000
Lets say 2,000 were paying £175 in Zone 4F = £350,000
Lets say 5000 were paying £175 in Zone 4 = £875,000
And the rest 7,000 paying £200 in Zone 3 = "1,400,000
That's an income from full paying adults of £3,025,000
That would be a £400,000 loss for the Club in initial sales but an extra 7,000 fans to tap into every game in terms of merchandise and eventually food and drink sales etc.
Why is that so unsustainable when it is constantly said that season ticket sales money is pocket money to Football Clubs at this level in the grand scheme of things.
I mean the prices don't even have to be as low as that but they most certainly can come down.
All I want to see is a packed out stadium to be honest and for everyone to be able to afford to come and watch us irrespective of what division we are playing in, I don't care what any other Clubs are charging or even if we are the 3rd lowest already, it doesn't matter, we don't have to follow everyone else, we are masters of our own destiny and can lead the way with this
Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:19 pm
pembroke allan wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:For interested parties? ST prices at Bradford! £149 for adults/ oap/ and students., Under 16 £99 under 11s £5 plus there is membership sceme @ £50 season entitles you to pay £10 per match!!! Cannot believe their income from ST is more or equal to our ST income?
they have 17k ST holders they average roughly 18000 attendance! so not great walk up crowd when factor in some large away support from shef utd ect , This doesn't bring in much extra income during season? Is that sustainable in championship if city have structure like Bradfords?
Allen, it has been said that we have 11,000 season ticket holders this season, how many of those do you think are full paying adults? 8-9,000? paying at the highest price £519 in Zone 1 and the lowest price £299 in Zone 4.
Being completely hypothetical here as none of us know the true figures but lets take a guess and assume that next season our season ticket sales increase by a few thousand and we sell 13,000 season tickets at the same prices as this season and lets say out of that 13,000, 10,000 are full paying adults.
Lets break that down and say 800 are paying £519 in Zone 1 = £415,200
Lets say 1,500 are paying £299 In Zone 4F = £448,500
Lets say 3,700 are paying £299 in Zone 4 = £1,106,300
And the rest 4,000 paying £369 in Zone 3 = £1,476,000
That's an income from full paying adults of £3,445,800
Now lets imagine the Club reduces the price in Zone 1 to £400 and £175 in Zones 4 and 4F and £200 in Zone 3.
At those prices we could end up selling 20,000 season tickets, lets say 15,000 of them were full paying adults and break it down.
Lets say 1,000 are paying £400 in Zone 1 = £400,000
Lets say 2,000 were paying £175 in Zone 4F = £350,000
Lets say 5000 were paying £175 in Zone 4 = £875,000
And the rest 7,000 paying £200 in Zone 3 = "1,400,000
That's an income from full paying adults of £3,025,000
That would be a £400,000 loss for the Club in initial sales but an extra 7,000 fans to tap into every game in terms of merchandise and eventually food and drink sales etc.
Why is that so unsustainable when it is constantly said that season ticket sales money is pocket money to Football Clubs at this level in the grand scheme of things.
I mean the prices don't even have to be as low as that but they most certainly can come down.
All I want to see is a packed out stadium to be honest and for everyone to be able to afford to come and watch us irrespective of what division we are playing in, I don't care what any other Clubs are charging or even if we are the 3rd lowest already, it doesn't matter, we don't have to follow everyone else, we are masters of our own destiny and can lead the way with this
Yes can lower prices to attract more fans and as you've pointed out only small income differential, but What if we are successful ? Do we leave at same level and lose potentially large amount of income or do we raise prices back up to previous level and risk losing 1000s of fans ? It's a conundrum for clubs and maybe that's why so few clubs do it? Some clubs in championship only avoid ffp because of income from large crowds and we know that if city get their act together 20k is easily achievable and we won't be so close to ffp if keep present prices, but Loss of income would be very prenounced if reduced prices by what you suggested and then get 20k fans
Personally love to see full stadium not against low prices just setting out reason why it's not done by clubs in general.
Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:43 pm
Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:55 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Reading some of the comments it looks as if because fans have been ripped off for so long, some people are almost happy to be ripped off because that's the way it has been for so many years. Bradford have never been traditionally never been any bigger a club than us attendance wise, but they are showing what can be achieved if you treat a fan as a true supporter rather than as a money making machine. As long as fans are happy enough being ripped off (not by us in particular) football clubs will charge as much as they feel they can get away with.
Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:13 pm
RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:For interested parties? ST prices at Bradford! £149 for adults/ oap/ and students., Under 16 £99 under 11s £5 plus there is membership sceme @ £50 season entitles you to pay £10 per match!!! Cannot believe their income from ST is more or equal to our ST income?
they have 17k ST holders they average roughly 18000 attendance! so not great walk up crowd when factor in some large away support from shef utd ect , This doesn't bring in much extra income during season? Is that sustainable in championship if city have structure like Bradfords?
Allen, it has been said that we have 11,000 season ticket holders this season, how many of those do you think are full paying adults? 8-9,000? paying at the highest price £519 in Zone 1 and the lowest price £299 in Zone 4.
Being completely hypothetical here as none of us know the true figures but lets take a guess and assume that next season our season ticket sales increase by a few thousand and we sell 13,000 season tickets at the same prices as this season and lets say out of that 13,000, 10,000 are full paying adults.
Lets break that down and say 800 are paying £519 in Zone 1 = £415,200
Lets say 1,500 are paying £299 In Zone 4F = £448,500
Lets say 3,700 are paying £299 in Zone 4 = £1,106,300
And the rest 4,000 paying £369 in Zone 3 = £1,476,000
That's an income from full paying adults of £3,445,800
Now lets imagine the Club reduces the price in Zone 1 to £400 and £175 in Zones 4 and 4F and £200 in Zone 3.
At those prices we could end up selling 20,000 season tickets, lets say 15,000 of them were full paying adults and break it down.
Lets say 1,000 are paying £400 in Zone 1 = £400,000
Lets say 2,000 were paying £175 in Zone 4F = £350,000
Lets say 5000 were paying £175 in Zone 4 = £875,000
And the rest 7,000 paying £200 in Zone 3 = "1,400,000
That's an income from full paying adults of £3,025,000
That would be a £400,000 loss for the Club in initial sales but an extra 7,000 fans to tap into every game in terms of merchandise and eventually food and drink sales etc.
Why is that so unsustainable when it is constantly said that season ticket sales money is pocket money to Football Clubs at this level in the grand scheme of things.
I mean the prices don't even have to be as low as that but they most certainly can come down.
All I want to see is a packed out stadium to be honest and for everyone to be able to afford to come and watch us irrespective of what division we are playing in, I don't care what any other Clubs are charging or even if we are the 3rd lowest already, it doesn't matter, we don't have to follow everyone else, we are masters of our own destiny and can lead the way with this
Yes can lower prices to attract more fans and as you've pointed out only small income differential, but What if we are successful ? Do we leave at same level and lose potentially large amount of income or do we raise prices back up to previous level and risk losing 1000s of fans ? It's a conundrum for clubs and maybe that's why so few clubs do it? Some clubs in championship only avoid ffp because of income from large crowds and we know that if city get their act together 20k is easily achievable and we won't be so close to ffp if keep present prices, but Loss of income would be very prenounced if reduced prices by what you suggested and then get 20k fans
Personally love to see full stadium not against low prices just setting out reason why it's not done by clubs in general.
It is a conundrum I agree and I suppose it all comes down to where we see the Club going, when you see the likes of Arsenal they are selling 50,000+ season tickets at £1,000 a pop so are probably getting a whopping income of £50,000,000+ from season ticket sales.
I don't think we could ever compete with that, as a working class area, I just couldn't ever see our fans in general being able to afford the prices some Clubs charge, even Bournemouth's cheapest season ticket for an adult was £550, can you imagine how many of our fans would be priced out if that was our cheapest ticket?
Swansea have frozen their prices again, I'm not sure what they are charging all in all but their adult season ticket start from £419.
Out of interest, where would you draw the line? What is the most you would pay, personally I think I would draw the line at £500, thankfully I can afford it but without wanting to sound like Robin Hood I am just think of those less fortunate to be honest mate.
I see us progressing into promotion challengers with crowds of 18k+ over next couple of years so support will go up even at present prices Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:46 am
Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:25 am
Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:39 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Can't see why any fan should ever have to pay more than a tenner to watch a game of football. It appears to be that society values these overpaid sporting personalities more highly than they value doctors, nurses etc. As long as we are prepared to pay these prices, clubs will be more than happy to charge them. Like I said earlier, some people seem happy if they feel they are not being ripped off as much as they could have been. Not just football either, the prices of an international rugby ticket are unbelievable. You can get a ticket to watch Orlando Magic for around £12, this includes around 2 hours pre match entertainment, you don't need to queue up for food or drink, an app on your mobile allows you to order what you want and have it delivered to your seat, and you are made to feel welcome and valued whichever seats you buy. There are some very expensive ones as well, but the view from the cheaper ones are perfectly acceptable. Their stars are on stupid money though, just like our players. We are accustomed to paying big bucks for poor service here, and I suppose we have ourselves to blame for choosing to pay these prices. Guess it's called supply and demand.
Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:56 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Can't see why any fan should ever have to pay more than a tenner to watch a game of football. It appears to be that society values these overpaid sporting personalities more highly than they value doctors, nurses etc. As long as we are prepared to pay these prices, clubs will be more than happy to charge them. Like I said earlier, some people seem happy if they feel they are not being ripped off as much as they could have been. Not just football either, the prices of an international rugby ticket are unbelievable. You can get a ticket to watch Orlando Magic for around £12, this includes around 2 hours pre match entertainment, you don't need to queue up for food or drink, an app on your mobile allows you to order what you want and have it delivered to your seat, and you are made to feel welcome and valued whichever seats you buy. There are some very expensive ones as well, but the view from the cheaper ones are perfectly acceptable. Their stars are on stupid money though, just like our players. We are accustomed to paying big bucks for poor service here, and I suppose we have ourselves to blame for choosing to pay these prices. Guess it's called supply and demand.
Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:01 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Can't see why any fan should ever have to pay more than a tenner to watch a game of football. It appears to be that society values these overpaid sporting personalities more highly than they value doctors, nurses etc. As long as we are prepared to pay these prices, clubs will be more than happy to charge them. Like I said earlier, some people seem happy if they feel they are not being ripped off as much as they could have been. Not just football either, the prices of an international rugby ticket are unbelievable. You can get a ticket to watch Orlando Magic for around £12, this includes around 2 hours pre match entertainment, you don't need to queue up for food or drink, an app on your mobile allows you to order what you want and have it delivered to your seat, and you are made to feel welcome and valued whichever seats you buy. There are some very expensive ones as well, but the view from the cheaper ones are perfectly acceptable. Their stars are on stupid money though, just like our players. We are accustomed to paying big bucks for poor service here, and I suppose we have ourselves to blame for choosing to pay these prices. Guess it's called supply and demand.
Steve, I pay 75euros for me and 20euros for my daughter for a season ticket at Atletico Baleares, but then it is Div2 football, excellent value and our food and drinks come to 5euros between us
Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:04 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Can't see why any fan should ever have to pay more than a tenner to watch a game of football. It appears to be that society values these overpaid sporting personalities more highly than they value doctors, nurses etc. As long as we are prepared to pay these prices, clubs will be more than happy to charge them. Like I said earlier, some people seem happy if they feel they are not being ripped off as much as they could have been. Not just football either, the prices of an international rugby ticket are unbelievable. You can get a ticket to watch Orlando Magic for around £12, this includes around 2 hours pre match entertainment, you don't need to queue up for food or drink, an app on your mobile allows you to order what you want and have it delivered to your seat, and you are made to feel welcome and valued whichever seats you buy. There are some very expensive ones as well, but the view from the cheaper ones are perfectly acceptable. Their stars are on stupid money though, just like our players. We are accustomed to paying big bucks for poor service here, and I suppose we have ourselves to blame for choosing to pay these prices. Guess it's called supply and demand.
Steve, I pay 75euros for me and 20euros for my daughter for a season ticket at Atletico Baleares, but then it is Div2 football, excellent value and our food and drinks come to 5euros between us
The footballers may be of a higher standard in the better leagues, but that does not guarantee a more exciting game. I enjoy football at any level, and we have had matches in the bottom league that are just as exciting as matches in the championship. In fact, I would say players in the lower leagues put in more effort than many of those higher up, because they are trying to prove a point and better themselves. When we were in the lower divisions, most of our players with the exception of Blake tried their best, even if the skill levels were'nt quite there. The way things are going, only people in pin striped suits and dickie bows will be attending games, eating Pukka Caviar instead of pies,and the bars will replace beer with Moet et Chandon, and a goal will be met with a polite ripple of applause and a couple of shouts of bravo, splendid etc. I will be over my local park watching an amateur game with bag of crisps and a can of Vimto.
Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:07 pm
Forever Blue wrote:' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '
I have to say well done to their club![]()
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Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.
£149 Adults
Updated
£99 for 11-16 years old
Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:19 pm
RV Casual wrote: Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:26 pm
ccfcsince1962 wrote:RV Casual wrote: Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.
For CCFC to reduce its season ticket prices to the levels Annis quotes above would be financial suicide, because our club`s cost structure is totally different to theirs. At Championship level , their cost base would go up considerably as well.
In season 2014/15 , which is the latest set of accounts currently on the public record, CCFC`s average attendance was 21,147 and that generated total match day income of just under £5.7m for the whole season , which is an average of £268 per person attending (including all match day spend , not just the net ticket price). Without a debt write off of £13m by the owner and an accounting adjustment of another £13m , the club would have lost about £22m that season.
Last season , our crowds were well under 21,147 , so gate money would have been greatly reduced from 2014/15 levels.
People in this thread are suggesting an adult season ticket price of £200 , which is only £167 for the club after taking out v.a.t. so even if crowds went up to 21,000+ at those average prices , season ticket income would only be £3.5m, so £2.2m down on the 2014/15 figure. How would that difference be made up?