' Pilks Manga Whitts etc '

' Pilks Manga Whitts etc '

After Saturday's impressive away win/ performance,best away win all season says Warnock
Are we missing Pilks, Manga, Peltier, whitts and those gone out on loan

We got to Derby away tonight
Can warnock change the team from Saturday
Who could he drop to play Pilks or Whitts
Manga and peltier are out injured anyway
Quite a few say our squad is now too small with the loans out we made
But a small tight squad can actually be a benifit


Thoughts?

Warnock selects a team according to the opponents we are up against. If say we had a 10 game running streak with Ralls in midfield then came up against a tream that would struggle against Whitts distribution then he would pick Whitts.

That doesn't answer your question though does it.

I agree with your last point that a small but tight squad would be a benefit, providing the players we have on loan can be called back at short notice.

Personally I believe City's downfall in the last few years was caused when Ole came in and starting adding more and more players to the squad without addressing the inital squad. Hence we had too many players and no consistency in terms of game plan.

While many on here would disagree I think Slade was key to sorting this mess out while ensuring we didnt get relegated.

I agree with your last point that a small but tight squad would be a benefit, providing the players we have on loan can be called back at short notice.

Personally I believe City's downfall in the last few years was caused when Ole came in and starting adding more and more players to the squad without addressing the inital squad. Hence we had too many players and no consistency in terms of game plan.

While many on here would disagree I think Slade was key to sorting this mess out while ensuring we didnt get relegated.

I definitely agree that a large portion of the blame lies with Ole. When you consider the title winning squad he inherited, and the amount of money he had to spend, he was a total disaster.

I agree with your last point that a small but tight squad would be a benefit, providing the players we have on loan can be called back at short notice.

Personally I believe City's downfall in the last few years was caused when Ole came in and starting adding more and more players to the squad without addressing the inital squad. Hence we had too many players and no consistency in terms of game plan.

While many on here would disagree I think Slade was key to sorting this mess out while ensuring we didnt get relegated.

I definitely agree that a large portion of the blame lies with Ole. When you consider the title winning squad he inherited, and the amount of money he had to spend, he was a total disaster.

He ruined us so quickly it's quite some feat to do tbh

Horses for courses. We're lucky we have a manager with enough experience and nous to select the right team for the right opposition.

I'd certainly try to find room for Pilkington, but maybe not tonight, I'd stick with a winning team.

Warnock selects a team according to the opponents we are up against. If say we had a 10 game running streak with Ralls in midfield then came up against a tream that would struggle against Whitts distribution then he would pick Whitts.

That doesn't answer your question though does it.

This is exactly what NW is doing in my opinion picking "Horses For Courses" with a small amount of rotation to keep players fresh. I think NW has the spine of the team with McGreggor, Morrison & Bamba, Gunnarsonn & Ralls and Zohore and these players will start every game unless their injured. After that the remaining players will be in and out of the team depending on who and where we were are playing.

Tonight is the last of the run of 4 really difficult away games we have had in the last 3 weeks and for me NW will make few, if any, changes from Saturday. Maybe Hoilett for Harris but for Rotherham and Fulham at Home expect Healey, Whitts and Pilkington all to feature as these are the games, if won, which will see us pretty much safe.

I will be really interested to see what he does when we are "Safe" because I can see Healey being given a run and maybe a few youngsters get an opportunity. NW will want to know who is good enough to stay here next season so it will be a massive few months for Healey with his contract up at the end of the season. Pilkington and Whitts are good enough to be here but, will they be in the starting 11?, and given what they earn can we afford to keep them here? Khadeem Harris is also out of contract as is Hoilett will they be offered new deals.

The OP asks the question about the benefits of a small tight squad well I struggle to find many and, in my opinion, over a full championship season you need a 1st team squad of a minimum 24 players. With FFP to consider your highest earners need to be your 1st choice selections as the days are gone when we can afford to have players like Pilkington, Whittingham, Manga and of course Lambert being amongst the top earners but sat in the stand or on the bench.

Yet again an interesting 6 months ahead for the club but I hope ALL decisions about who stays, goes and arrive at the club over the summer are down to one person - NW.

I'd certainly try to find room for Pilkington, but maybe not tonight, I'd stick with a winning team.

Just for debate who would you leave out for pilks in the future

I'd certainly try to find room for Pilkington, but maybe not tonight, I'd stick with a winning team.

Just for debate who would you leave out for pilks in the future

Yes not easy being put on the spot, especially as everyone played so well on Saturday. Possibly change shape and lose Halford at home but he may be used as a tactical sub during the course of a game.

Warnock selects a team according to the opponents we are up against. If say we had a 10 game running streak with Ralls in midfield then came up against a tream that would struggle against Whitts distribution then he would pick Whitts.

That doesn't answer your question though does it.

This is exactly what NW is doing in my opinion picking "Horses For Courses" with a small amount of rotation to keep players fresh. I think NW has the spine of the team with McGreggor, Morrison & Bamba, Gunnarsonn & Ralls and Zohore and these players will start every game unless their injured. After that the remaining players will be in and out of the team depending on who and where we were are playing.

Tonight is the last of the run of 4 really difficult away games we have had in the last 3 weeks and for me NW will make few, if any, changes from Saturday. Maybe Hoilett for Harris but for Rotherham and Fulham at Home expect Healey, Whitts and Pilkington all to feature as these are the games, if won, which will see us pretty much safe.

I will be really interested to see what he does when we are "Safe" because I can see Healey being given a run and maybe a few youngsters get an opportunity. NW will want to know who is good enough to stay here next season so it will be a massive few months for Healey with his contract up at the end of the season. Pilkington and Whitts are good enough to be here but, will they be in the starting 11?, and given what they earn can we afford to keep them here? Khadeem Harris is also out of contract as is Hoilett will they be offered new deals.

The OP asks the question about the benefits of a small tight squad well I struggle to find many and, in my opinion, over a full championship season you need a 1st team squad of a minimum 24 players. With FFP to consider your highest earners need to be your 1st choice selections as the days are gone when we can afford to have players like Pilkington, Whittingham, Manga and of course Lambert being amongst the top earners but sat in the stand or on the bench.

Yet again an interesting 6 months ahead for the club but I hope ALL decisions about who stays, goes and arrive at the club over the summer are down to one person - NW.

With a 24 man first team squad ,it's leaves 6 players in the stand not getting game time plus the 4 or more subs not getting on
The pitch ,this for me leads to inconsistency ,also it leaves no room to get youngsters game time .
I know injuries play a part
But at the moment we are coping with our small squad even though we have a couple of injuries
How long would players put up with not playing
And if they were happy in the stand I wonder what standard they would be

Warnock selects a team according to the opponents we are up against. If say we had a 10 game running streak with Ralls in midfield then came up against a tream that would struggle against Whitts distribution then he would pick Whitts.

That doesn't answer your question though does it.

This is exactly what NW is doing in my opinion picking "Horses For Courses" with a small amount of rotation to keep players fresh. I think NW has the spine of the team with McGreggor, Morrison & Bamba, Gunnarsonn & Ralls and Zohore and these players will start every game unless their injured. After that the remaining players will be in and out of the team depending on who and where we were are playing.

Tonight is the last of the run of 4 really difficult away games we have had in the last 3 weeks and for me NW will make few, if any, changes from Saturday. Maybe Hoilett for Harris but for Rotherham and Fulham at Home expect Healey, Whitts and Pilkington all to feature as these are the games, if won, which will see us pretty much safe.

I will be really interested to see what he does when we are "Safe" because I can see Healey being given a run and maybe a few youngsters get an opportunity. NW will want to know who is good enough to stay here next season so it will be a massive few months for Healey with his contract up at the end of the season. Pilkington and Whitts are good enough to be here but, will they be in the starting 11?, and given what they earn can we afford to keep them here? Khadeem Harris is also out of contract as is Hoilett will they be offered new deals.

The OP asks the question about the benefits of a small tight squad well I struggle to find many and, in my opinion, over a full championship season you need a 1st team squad of a minimum 24 players. With FFP to consider your highest earners need to be your 1st choice selections as the days are gone when we can afford to have players like Pilkington, Whittingham, Manga and of course Lambert being amongst the top earners but sat in the stand or on the bench.

Yet again an interesting 6 months ahead for the club but I hope ALL decisions about who stays, goes and arrive at the club over the summer are down to one person - NW.

With a 24 man first team squad ,it's leaves 6 players in the stand not getting game time plus the 4 or more subs not getting on
The pitch ,this for me leads to inconsistency ,also it leaves no room to get youngsters game time .
I know injuries play a part
But at the moment we are coping with our small squad even though we have a couple of injuries
How long would players put up with not playing
And if they were happy in the stand I wonder what standard they would be

Look good point about players being happy or not but of the current top 6 teams the smallest 1st team squad is Huddersfield Town with 23 players, Leeds Utd have 28. Injuries, suspensions, tiredness or loss of form all come in to play over the course of a full season and history will tell you that clubs need squad which have at least 2 players for each position.

The point I was trying to make, poorly, is that given FFP can we afford to have the top earners at the club like Whitts and Lambert sat on the bench as they were on Saturday.

Dave Jones did his best to run with small squads of higher quality players but let's face it his teams always run out of legs. The best example of that was season 2006-07, where 29 players appeared in Championship fixtures. After 12 games we were top of the League having won 9. lost one and drawn 2 of those games. We eventually finished 13th winning only 2 of our last 12 games. Of the 29 players who featured that season only 10 played 30 or more games as injury, suspension, tiredness and loss of form all took their toll.

That season the back up players to his first choice team we not up to the job, this season 31 players have appeared for the club in Championship games and NW has trimmed the squad back to effectively 23 players and that smaller squad is out performing the team from earlier in the season.

In my opinion the biggest factor in the improvement is NW and,if he had been here last summer we would have had a squad "Fit for purpose" from the first match, we would'nt have expensive flops like Immers and Lambert, our squad would be better balanced with options in every position and in terms of numbers would be a minimum of 24 players.

It's a great debate on whether to have a large squad to cover injuries/suspensions/loss of form but with the drawbacks of being expensive to maintain and players getting restless due to lack of game time against a smaller squad with better quality who are match fit motivated but when injured or suspended cause massive disruption to the first team.

I can honestly say I have never really come down on one side or the other. My instincts are to run with a smaller squad and simply make the best of what you have got, but it is a rule of thumb that bigger squads generally make more successful sides.

That said we have the NW factor and I would trust him far more than any manager we have had in recent times by a very long chalk.

I'd certainly try to find room for Pilkington, but maybe not tonight, I'd stick with a winning team.

Just for debate who would you leave out for pilks in the future

Yes not easy being put on the spot, especially as everyone played so well on Saturday. Possibly change shape and lose Halford at home but he may be used as a tactical sub during the course of a game.

Good shout for home games but imo not for away games

I'd certainly try to find room for Pilkington, but maybe not tonight, I'd stick with a winning team.

Just for debate who would you leave out for pilks in the future

Yes not easy being put on the spot, especially as everyone played so well on Saturday. Possibly change shape and lose Halford at home but he may be used as a tactical sub during the course of a game.

Good shout for home games but imo not for away games

No I agree. Keep it as it is for away games. We've proven ourselves in three tough away games against top opposition and could easily have drawn against Brighton and Reading. Not too many teams will relish playing us from now on.

Well we didn't miss them last night
And warnock put young m Harris on as our final substitute when we had 5 minutes to hold on to our lead IMO instead of whitts

i see both points here. yes its nice to have lots of quality ,it defo cost us during DJs time here when the void between the 1st 11 and their replacements was often huge.
but i do also see troobloos point.after all NW pretty much chose to go with 23, and if a young man earning a 7 figure a year salary and sees himself as a 1st team player finds himself not even getting 5mins the likelyhood is he will lose interest .and in turn the manager will put him farther and farther from his plans.if this happens to 4 or 5 players it effectively reduces the squad from 28 to 23 anyway.

We miss Pelts I think, connolly got ripped to shreds lasy night. Pelts doesnt get forward too much but is a solid defender

We miss Pelts I think, connolly got ripped to shreds lasy night. Pelts doesnt get forward too much but is a solid defender

Agree ,Connolly had his worst game for us in a long long time ,but we won so he got away with it ,and we need to be positive not negative