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Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:51 pm

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For me it was good to clear out the deadwood and release the players that had ample opportunities to prove them themselves and clearly not good enough. If by the age of 22/23 you had not made it to the first team then you are unlikely to make it.

I remember there was uproar when josh yorwerth left to go to Ipswich and everyone was saying we don't have a clue. He has ended up playing for Merthyr via Ipswich and Crawley and is now back there.

I can't think of one player that we have let go recently through the academy that we have regretted.

Good opportunity for these players to play at higher age group football and gain valuable experience :thumbup:

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:09 pm

Think Cardiff f c acted admirably by looking after and nurturing these players through the years and giving them the opportunity to play at a level in accordance with their talents including their limitations, we all know some youngsters become good acquisitions but only a tiny amount make it to the top which is a fact of life, so definitely the correct thing to do.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:26 pm

Agree but there's clubs like Barnsley Crewe Southampton etc who seem to churn out no end of young talent.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:38 pm

skiprat wrote:Agree but there's clubs like Barnsley Crewe Southampton etc who seem to churn out no end of young talent.





I think with some clubs (Southampton are a very good example) they have the infrastructure in place that ensures their youngsters and their parents know they will get a genuine chance to show what they can do. For that reason, they will have a certain additional pulling power when trying to attract the best youngsters into their academy ;)

Cardiff City haven't had a decent academy for some time and are only now starting to see the benefit of nurturing your own players, so are (to date) lagging well behind other clubs, including (and this annoys me) the club from down the M4 West :(

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:10 pm

The one player we released and shouldn't have was regan poole.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:13 pm

I seem to recall football focus did a huge thing years ago about southamptons academy, and it was top quality, also, they bleed their players through, because they are comfortable with not having to achieve anything other than premier league safety. for example. if we didn't need the money badly, we were allowed to achieve championship safety season after season, with no expectations, then we'd see youth players being bled through, however because every year we are expected to get play-offs atleast no manager will risk youth players because it could be too costly

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:16 pm

so much has been said about players being released to lower league clubs. some as old as 22 ?
and yet so little about an 18 year old thats in our match day squad and made his debut in the FA cup.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:18 pm

I hope the youngsters geraint a chance now

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:07 pm

wez1927 wrote:I hope the youngsters geraint a chance now



lets hope garaint has more success at football than he had in the coracle eh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWyWOH0OZk

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:31 pm

Bluebirds68 wrote:The one player we released and shouldn't have was regan poole.


Yeah because the time we released him I remember every city fan and football fan saying he was going to end up at United, for all we know he could wash away back in the lower divisions again.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:30 am

DandoCCFC wrote:
Bluebirds68 wrote:The one player we released and shouldn't have was regan poole.


Yeah because the time we released him I remember every city fan and football fan saying he was going to end up at United, for all we know he could wash away back in the lower divisions again.

Nothing to do with the fans knowing is it. The coaches should know it's there job after all.

Released a kid who ends up at Manchester United but keep hold of players until there 21-22. Somebody clearly wasn't doing there job properly

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:02 am

Bluebirds68 wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
Bluebirds68 wrote:The one player we released and shouldn't have was regan poole.


Yeah because the time we released him I remember every city fan and football fan saying he was going to end up at United, for all we know he could wash away back in the lower divisions again.

Nothing to do with the fans knowing is it. The coaches should know it's there job after all.
Let's see what happens first with Regan He is not the first player to be released and ended at Man Utd from Cardiff City and the kid never made and appearance for a league club
Released a kid who ends up at Manchester United but keep hold of players until there 21-22. Somebody clearly wasn't doing there job properly

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:59 am

"For me it was good to clear out the deadwood and release the players that had ample opportunities to prove them themselves and clearly not good enough. If by the age of 22/23 you had not made it to the first team then you are unlikely to make it." [Dobbin]

The sad reality is that this deadwood that we've been clearing out was brought in by OGS, Slade and Trollope during the last three years whilst Tan has been head of the Club's Transfer Committee. To my quick calculation players who have been signed under these regimes and are no longer at the Club total about 35 players. What a shocking indictment of Tan's transfer dealings. What a huge waste of money.

StT.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:52 pm

Milkybarkid wrote:
Bluebirds68 wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
Bluebirds68 wrote:The one player we released and shouldn't have was regan poole.


Yeah because the time we released him I remember every city fan and football fan saying he was going to end up at United, for all we know he could wash away back in the lower divisions again.

Nothing to do with the fans knowing is it. The coaches should know it's there job after all.
Let's see what happens first with Regan He is not the first player to be released and ended at Man Utd from Cardiff City and the kid never made and appearance for a league club
Released a kid who ends up at Manchester United but keep hold of players until there 21-22. Somebody clearly wasn't doing there job properly

He has played for a league club. He made his debut for Newport when he was 16 years old. Played in the europa league for Manchester United but apparently not good enough for our academy.

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:45 pm

And lets not forget that a certain instigator of the Southampton Academy was a certain Jimmy Andrews!

Re: Slowly but surely getting our house in order

Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:00 pm

Bluebirds68 wrote:
Milkybarkid wrote:
Bluebirds68 wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
Bluebirds68 wrote:The one player we released and shouldn't have was regan poole.


Yeah because the time we released him I remember every city fan and football fan saying he was going to end up at United, for all we know he could wash away back in the lower divisions again.

Nothing to do with the fans knowing is it. The coaches should know it's there job after all.
Let's see what happens first with Regan He is not the first player to be released and ended at Man Utd from Cardiff City and the kid never made and appearance for a league club
Released a kid who ends up at Manchester United but keep hold of players until there 21-22. Somebody clearly wasn't doing there job properly

He has played for a league club. He made his debut for Newport when he was 16 years old. Played in the europa league for Manchester United but apparently not good enough for our academy.[/quote
Not talking about Regan but Declan Dalley the other boy we got rid of who went to Man Utd Regan has yet to play any regular part for Man Utd time will tell if the City were right in letting him go but so far not one kid let go has made it to the level of player we would want