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Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:33 pm
FOR 498
AGAINST 114
MAJORITY 384
MPS HAVE VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENTS BILL BY A MAJORITY OF 498 VOTES TO 114
Summary
MPs vote in favour of Brexit bill
Bill gives go ahead for Article 50
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:33 pm
Forever Blue wrote:FOR 498
AGAINST 114
MAJORITY 384
MPS HAVE VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENTS BILL BY A MAJORITY OF 498 VOTES TO 114
Summary
MPs vote in favour of Brexit bill
Bill gives go ahead for Article 50
Great the most have gone with the will of the people
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:35 pm
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:FOR 498
AGAINST 114
MAJORITY 384
MPS HAVE VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENTS BILL BY A MAJORITY OF 498 VOTES TO 114
Summary
MPs vote in favour of Brexit bill
Bill gives go ahead for Article 50
Great the most have gone with the will of the people
Wez, one thing we both do totally agree on is our politics
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:43 pm
Every Welsh MP who voted against the will of their constituents should stand down.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:51 pm
[quote="Jock"]Every Welsh MP who voted against the will of their constituents should stand down.[/quot
Seconded
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:52 pm
Jock wrote:Every Welsh MP who voted against the will of their constituents should stand down.
Or be voted out next election.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:55 pm
Why have a Bill when the vote was won fairly ?
I'm sure the Welsh Assembley got in on a smaller majority with an exceptionally low turn out and that was passed with no debate, protests or the like... ?
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:55 pm
i was listening to Owen Smith try to spin that pontypridd voted 52%/48% remain ???????
Can't wait until the last election, but since Kim Howells stepped down i haven't voted for him anyway
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:57 pm
Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:FOR 498
AGAINST 114
MAJORITY 384
MPS HAVE VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENTS BILL BY A MAJORITY OF 498 VOTES TO 114
Summary
MPs vote in favour of Brexit bill
Bill gives go ahead for Article 50
Great the most have gone with the will of the people
Wez, one thing we both do totally agree on is our politics

Annis/Wez, I agree on this wholeheartedly and I think Jock (above) is spot on when he says all MP's who voted against the Bill should stand down 'on principle' and seek re-election (or not

) from their constituents. Like it or not, the British nation voted to leave the European Union and the MP's have no (moral) right to go against the will of the voting majority
One MP was reported as saying (and I can believe it) that one or two of the dissenters only did so in the safe knowledge their 'weak protest' had little or no chance of success. Just the sort of thing Jeremy Corbin can do, safe in the knowledge that none of his idealistic ramblings can ever be put to the test due to him being pretty much unelectable as Prime Minister
Get on with it MP's (and M'Luds) and give the UK back its dignity and self-determination
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:00 pm
I have to agree.
How arrogant is it to infer that the people that voted you in should not have their votes recognised. Lol
Whether you were in or out, left, right or centre. A referendum is a huge deal. Bigger than any election every 4 or 5 years.
If the out voters are portrayed as thick c***s by the liberals, then that is an indictment of this country
(Producing a massive population of thick c***s)
I'm a lefty.
Immigration keeps the wages down, keeps the workers poor.
Out now to play games with that halfwit Mr Trump instead!!!!
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:05 pm
Its up to the European leaders of Germany and France now......
What we have shown is we are prepared to go all the way and leave on WTO rules. Hopefully, common sense will prevail and we'll do a decent fair amicable deal for the EU and UK.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:15 pm
llan bluebird wrote:Its up to the European leaders of Germany and France now......
What we have shown is we are prepared to go all the way and leave on WTO rules. Hopefully, common sense will prevail and we'll do a decent fair amicable deal for the EU and UK.
I'm sure common sense/purpose will prevail in the end. Neither UK or EU really wants a poor outcome and I genuinely think Theresa May is strong enough to stand up and be counted in the interest of the UK
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:41 pm
We import more from the EU than we export, German car manufacturers are not going to give up the British market, or accept reciprocal tariffs, just because Junkers wants to punish the UK.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:50 pm
Jock wrote:Every Welsh MP who voted against the will of their constituents should stand down.
Do we know how many actually voted against the will of their constituents, according to Owen Smith his lot voted 52-48% to remain, if so then he had the right to vote against it, that is of course if he actually did vote against it.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:02 pm
Voted remain, but glad to see the will of the people has been respected.
It cost a couple of front-bench resignations, but also pleased that my party (Labour) had a three-line whip on the matter as well.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:04 pm
Jock wrote:We import more from the EU than we export, German car manufacturers are not going to give up the British market, or accept reciprocal tariffs, just because Junkers wants to punish the UK.
Get the French,Dutch and German elections out the way and i reckon Junker will "step down".
Therein lies the problem, the Eu for all its self importance is at the will of the German Chancellor, they will be bankrolling it. We will be a special case and the deal will be done quite quickly. In fact i reckon we'll be the reason they take back a lot of the powers the EU have gained. Whatever happens, the political landscapes of those countries, like ours and the USA will never be like before.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:32 pm
Sven wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:FOR 498
AGAINST 114
MAJORITY 384
MPS HAVE VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENTS BILL BY A MAJORITY OF 498 VOTES TO 114
Summary
MPs vote in favour of Brexit bill
Bill gives go ahead for Article 50
Great the most have gone with the will of the people
Wez, one thing we both do totally agree on is our politics

Annis/Wez, I agree on this wholeheartedly and I think Jock (above) is spot on when he says all MP's who voted against the Bill should stand down 'on principle' and seek re-election (or not

) from their constituents. Like it or not, the British nation voted to leave the European Union and the MP's have no (moral) right to go against the will of the voting majority
One MP was reported as saying (and I can believe it) that one or two of the dissenters only did so in the safe knowledge their 'weak protest' had little or no chance of success. Just the sort of thing Jeremy Corbin can do, safe in the knowledge that none of his idealistic ramblings can ever be put to the test due to him being pretty much unelectable as Prime Minister
Get on with it MP's (and M'Luds) and give the UK back its dignity and self-determination

Interesting! You talk of a British nation? It doesn't exsit. Britain is an union of nations-Wales, Scotland and England. Northern Ireland is not part of this union, hence GB and NI.
Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:14 pm
rontom wrote:Jock wrote:Every Welsh MP who voted against the will of their constituents should stand down.
Do we know how many actually voted against the will of their constituents, according to Owen Smith his lot voted 52-48% to remain, if so then he had the right to vote against it, that is of course if he actually did vote against it.
The referendum results were counted on a local authority boundary basis, e.g., City and County of Cardiff, Neath Port Talbot, Rhondda Cynon Taff, Powys, Pembrokeshire, Flintshire etc. Parliamentary constituencies are nearly all different, so it's not an exact comparison, (although those at the counts would have a more detailed breakdown of the voting figures). The only parliamentary seat/council area that I can think of that match is Ceredigion.
I voted to remain, but the referendum result was clear, on a turnout of over 70%. The vast majority of MPs did the right thing tonight, and respected the will of the people. Brexit means Brexit!
Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:02 am
Jock wrote:We import more from the EU than we export, German car manufacturers are not going to give up the British market, or accept reciprocal tariffs, just because Junkers wants to punish the UK.
Jock, Junckers is everything I dislike about the EU bureaucracy in one word!
Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:15 am
BlueGog wrote:Sven wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:FOR 498
AGAINST 114
MAJORITY 384
MPS HAVE VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENTS BILL BY A MAJORITY OF 498 VOTES TO 114
Summary
MPs vote in favour of Brexit bill
Bill gives go ahead for Article 50
Great the most have gone with the will of the people
Wez, one thing we both do totally agree on is our politics

Annis/Wez, I agree on this wholeheartedly and I think Jock (above) is spot on when he says all MP's who voted against the Bill should stand down 'on principle' and seek re-election (or not

) from their constituents. Like it or not, the British nation voted to leave the European Union and the MP's have no (moral) right to go against the will of the voting majority
One MP was reported as saying (and I can believe it) that one or two of the dissenters only did so in the safe knowledge their 'weak protest' had little or no chance of success. Just the sort of thing Jeremy Corbin can do, safe in the knowledge that none of his idealistic ramblings can ever be put to the test due to him being pretty much unelectable as Prime Minister
Get on with it MP's (and M'Luds) and give the UK back its dignity and self-determination

Interesting! You talk of a British nation? It doesn't exsit. Britain is an union of nations-Wales, Scotland and England. Northern Ireland is not part of this union, hence GB and NI.
The Brexit vote was offered under a 'one nation' banner (so included all you named above as a single entity, i.e. the UK) and no matter how your 'localist' leanings fall, we voted on a British national level, would have absorbed the result whichever way it had fallen (with far more conciliation and contriteness from the 'Leave' voters than we've seen so far from the 'Remoan' voters

) and will/must leave together for the betterment of the vitally important negotiations that lie ahead
It's done! The British people have voted and
democratically decided, so we move on...or at least the
majority of us do!
Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:13 am
I think all of this was so pointless.
Putting the onus on the MPs was pathetic, time wasting and divisonal.
Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:27 am
Bakedalasker wrote:I think all of this was so pointless.
Putting the onus on the MPs was pathetic, time wasting and divisonal.
Correct Ian a total waste of money and time.
Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:35 am
Forever Blue wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:I think all of this was so pointless.
Putting the onus on the MPs was pathetic, time wasting and divisonal.
Correct Ian a total waste of money and time.
Yeah our fekkin money.
Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:51 pm
They have to vote (and be free to do so) what they consider the best interests of their constituents. and this vote is just part of the process, a loss at this stage wont stop Brexit anyway, just delay it. Its probably gonna be 3 or 4 years before we see any change if any...
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