I posted this the other day

In response to a question around who we are gonna sign and the posters claiming the club need to spend etc

Another laughable thread

Once again the same people who wish Mr Vincent Tan to make the club debt free are the ones asking for money to spend in the summer just how does that work? Do you want a debt free club so you can finally see the back of Mr Tan or do you not really care about seeing the back of him and just want to know the club are spending a few quid on players and being back in the position we were before?

Season ticket revenue means absolutely nothing to a championship club, £300 at 6000 extra is £1.8m that wouldn't even pay the wages of two players you guys are thinking about let alone fund their transfers add to that the loss of £8m in parachute payments and you are dreaming of you think 6000 more season tickets will even realistically see Warnock have £2m to spend on players in the close season

The only way you will see us do that is if we move on all players for fees that earn over £15k a week and bring in sensible but decent players to replace them and notice the BIG IF in that scenario it's not as if we've shifted anyone yet this month what hole have we got of shifting the overpaid deadwood we still have in the summer?

Unless Tan once again decides to gamble fall foul of FFP rules in the process and run up debt again then there is very little chance of anything but one or two signings in the summer

Hate to have to spell it out so simply but too many on here want exactly what they want without any thought or reason behind anything they actually say

Personally I'd rather us keep clearing the deadwood whilst living within our means and slowly add to the core of what we have and seek promotion the right way the sustainable way that won't see us really unbelievably on a wealthy owner or see us go through pain again should we get promoted and fail to stay up again

Finally if you want Tan to spend but also want the debt down you are and incredible hypocrite

I had one response saying they agreed with my logic

My point was purely the same people who want Mr tan out are calling for investment and now slamming he club for removing players and recovering funds that would be wasted should they stay here for 6 months I appreciate they shouldn't be here to start but that been and gone can only shape the future and if it helps offload them permanently in the summer it's a good move

Anyway in relation to my answer to a topic anyone care to shed light on how they can one minute want the debt down and tan out but the next they want him to open his chequebook and put us back into a debt ridden path again?

I'm happy for us to keep clearing the deadwood and ridiculous wages paid out and to see a constant steadying of the club.

Tan's is gonna have to be here for at least the next 5 years if we really want to ever be debt free, time people got used to that fact. Time people either got over the past or walked away, times have changed. People have to realise that their money either through season tickets or match day tickets is only a small part of the funding of a football club at this level, it becomes more relevant the lower the league your in. Hopefully a bit more deadwood has been moved on and they'll be a small amount of rebuilding in the summer when transfer fees tend to be slightly lower.

At last some sensible posts, like lots of other people I have reading this forum for news in the transfer window. And I have come to the conclusion that 99.9% who come on this forum including me would not be able to:-

1]. Run a professional foot club,

2] Recognise a good or bad professional player in the madness that is the January window,

3] Keep the club running at a profit in the mad world that is football,

4]. Call a wealthy owner insulting names, and then expect him to spend money that is not theirs, well maybe some do this one very well,

5]. Be a manager who will take all the shit that comes your way from fans.

Reading the above posts I now changed my percentage to 95%

To be fair quite a few posters have been saying for quite a long time that this club will be run on a tight budget for the forseeable future, and that the priority will be debt reduction and not new players. As many of us have said, Tan is a businessman and will be well aware now that owning a football club is a quick way to lose a fortune. He will be in no hurry to throw more money down the pan. I know plenty of people including non Cardiff supprters who can see that getting this club on a secure financial footing is the number one priority. It is only on this forum that you tend to see fans who expect Tan to dip into his pocket in a few months time, while calling him everything under the sun and wanting him out not so long back. I doubt very much if gambling more big bucks in an attempt for a second crack at the PL is high on Tan's agenda.

It's now 94%

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

Now all he has to do is convince Warnock as easily as he has convinced you

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

mostly agree. have to point out though .blue i wont. he has continued lose money even in blue.
i dont agree with the quick learner bit though, he has made a string of very poor footballing decisions while tellling anyone that will listen that he could have had a doctorate in football from what he has learned.

I think he has convinced Warnock,or he wouldn't still be here

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

Top post here

I think as a fan base we quickly forget two things-
1: his fortune doesn't give us the right to dictate how he spends it, as said he is a business man and foremost football is a business.
2: buying City and being "disillusioned" or "bored" doesn't really make that much sense as since he bought City in 2010, he's acquired two more clubs one in 2013 and 2015.

He must think there is a future the somewhere, and although the Champ standard is far higher than his other two clubs if he makes all 3 business viable in the long term then he's done a good job.

It's now 93.5%

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

He may be a very astute business man, his wealth and success at running various companies would suggest he is...no doubt about that...but he certainly is not a quick learner when it comes to running a football club because he has made the same mistakes over and over again !!!!

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

He may be a very astute business man, his wealth and success at running various companies would suggest he is...no doubt about that...but he certainly is not a quick learner when it comes to running a football club because he has made the same mistakes over and over again !!!!

In your astute view what are those mistakes

One thing that has changed since the first days that Vinny arrived and that is that we now have a manager that can realistically be trusted to build a competitive squad on a prudent budget. If you look at those moved on in recent days it's a massive saving over the course of the rest of the season. Every single one of these players was being paid money to warm the bench. So far (touch wood) every single one of warnock's signings is proving worth the money he has spent. Time will tell if the money Vincent is willing to release to Warnock will prove enough to convince him to stay but I believe as a business man he must now know that cutting costs by employing managers who are not capable at this level only leads to bigger losses by the poor decisions made in the transfer market. I for one was very happy with the business that was done yesterday.

Where have you guy's been, it has now come down to, 92%.

One thing that has changed since the first days that Vinny arrived and that is that we now have a manager that can realistically be trusted to build a competitive squad on a prudent budget. If you look at those moved on in recent days it's a massive saving over the course of the rest of the season. Every single one of these players was being paid money to warm the bench. So far (touch wood) every single one of warnock's signings is proving worth the money he has spent. Time will tell if the money Vincent is willing to release to Warnock will prove enough to convince him to stay but I believe as a business man he must now know that cutting costs by employing managers who are not capable at this level only leads to bigger losses by the poor decisions made in the transfer market. I for one was very happy with the business that was done yesterday.

the idea that you could appoint a glorified yes man with 20 years experience of mediocrity to take charge of a squad that was valued at and earned 10s of millions was mad.
a real manager would have assessed the squad over a period of time, worked to get the best out of who was there a la Warnock with Ken in particular and then try to move on what was surplus to his plans. instead we got a manager that reduced the squad to 20 within days? 7 players who mostly had been given no chance under slade had contracts bought out {slades idea or choice? }.
then there is the transfer window where we cant sign Watt {ffp} and the club decide to sell Mason , Revell and loan out KJ.
last summer. Lewis,Moore and Marshall out. were these really manager decisions? i doubt it.
then the other side of the coin. having bought out 7 contracts he allows Slade 6 signings plus 1 on loan.waste of money.
same last summer. sell players of use then bring in 8 gambles at a cost of 5mill a year wages.
i pray Warnock stays not for his style of football but to have someone at the club that will say it as it is and stop this pendulum . Tan is and has been spending the bucks yet pre Warnock we have been going backwards.
mistakes? they are everywhere

And what did Mr Choo and Vincent Tan say when you e-mailed them with your suggestions of how to put these things right, please don't say no point they wouldn't answer any, because I had a very informal and curtious reply from Ken Choo once in reply to my questions.
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And what did Mr Choo and Vincent Tan say when you e-mailed them with your suggestions of how to put these things right, please don't say no point they wouldn't answer any, because I had a very informal and curtious reply from Ken Choo once in reply to my questions.
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you send tan emails?
have you a striker list for Warnock too?
im a grown up and realise what ill get back from a billionaire will be curtious lip service, its not my business.
that doesnt stop me having an opinion.

That wasn't the question, but the answer is no because I don't profess to know anywhere near Mr Warnock's knowledge, neither have sent continual e-mails to vintenct Tan, just the one and I was satisfied with the answers. That's why my figure is now 92%.

And what did Mr Choo and Vincent Tan say when you e-mailed them with your suggestions of how to put these things right, please don't say no point they wouldn't answer any, because I had a very informal and curtious reply from Ken Choo once in reply to my questions.
,

you send tan emails?
have you a striker list for Warnock too?
im a grown up and realise what ill get back from a billionaire will be curtious lip service, its not my business.
that doesnt stop me having an opinion.

I am sure you would have had a polite reply telling you absolutely nothing.

Now it's back up to 95% because opinions are accepted but sarcasm is not, it's the lowest form of "wit".

Now it's back up to 95% because opinions are accepted but sarcasm is not, it's the lowest form of "wit".

And what did Mr Choo and Vincent Tan say when you e-mailed them with your suggestions of how to put these things right, please don't say no point they wouldn't answer any, because I had a very informal and curtious reply from Ken Choo once in reply to my questions.
,

you send tan emails?
have you a striker list for Warnock too?
im a grown up and realise what ill get back from a billionaire will be curtious lip service, its not my business.
that doesnt stop me having an opinion.

I am sure you would have had a polite reply telling you absolutely nothing.

im not anti tan. but i do think lots of mistakes have been made.
having heard his views on his own football knowledge i doubt very much any e mail from myself would provoke any thought just a nicely worded reply that addresses nothing.

Now it's back up to 95% because opinions are accepted but sarcasm is not, it's the lowest form of "wit".

i take it you missed the sarcasm in your email replies? because i doubt you had in depth straight talking honesty.
and lowest form or not i found dai hunt waving that paper really funny. bit like e mailing billionaires

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

He may be a very astute business man, his wealth and success at running various companies would suggest he is...no doubt about that...but he certainly is not a quick learner when it comes to running a football club because he has made the same mistakes over and over again !!!!

In your astute view what are those mistakes

A succession of poor chief executives...three poor managers in a row...paying huge wages to a succession of average players over 5/6 years...alienating the fans on numerous occasions..wasting 3 years of parachute payments..constantly refusing to pay Langston because of "irregularities" then having to back down because he couldn't prove anything and pay the full amount...numerous embarrassing TV interviews.......need I go on???

I agree with most if not all the above.
Tan love him or hate him ( I think that's a bit strong) like him or dislike him (that's better)
Vincent Tan has saved this football club, he has kept his word ,Red I'll invest , blue I won't.
We ( the majority of fans of this football club) on the other hand, have not ,we agreed with the investment and red then went back on our word.
So I believe he will get rid of all the debt , some his some not.
He will fund NW in the summer, with an agreed sum, because he said he would and again he is a man of his word.
I honestly believe we won't get relegated now , so NW has saved us from that fate, I also believe he will next season push us at least into the play offs.
VT will at least see in NW, that he is one of the best manager's at this level, and if anyone can get us promoted on a budget it will be NW.
VT is a very astute business man , who also is a quick learner,he knows better than all of us, how to make a profit, and the only way is for your club to be in the top division.

He may be a very astute business man, his wealth and success at running various companies would suggest he is...no doubt about that...but he certainly is not a quick learner when it comes to running a football club because he has made the same mistakes over and over again !!!!

In your astute view what are those mistakes

A succession of poor chief executives...three poor managers in a row...paying huge wages to a succession of average players over 5/6 years...alienating the fans on numerous occasions..wasting 3 years of parachute payments..constantly refusing to pay Langston because of "irregularities" then having to back down because he couldn't prove anything and pay the full amount...numerous embarrassing TV interviews.......need I go on???

Yes but apart from that what mistakes has he made?

In response to a question around who we are gonna sign and the posters claiming the club need to spend etc

Another laughable thread

Once again the same people who wish Mr Vincent Tan to make the club debt free are the ones asking for money to spend in the summer just how does that work? Do you want a debt free club so you can finally see the back of Mr Tan or do you not really care about seeing the back of him and just want to know the club are spending a few quid on players and being back in the position we were before?

Season ticket revenue means absolutely nothing to a championship club, £300 at 6000 extra is £1.8m that wouldn't even pay the wages of two players you guys are thinking about let alone fund their transfers add to that the loss of £8m in parachute payments and you are dreaming of you think 6000 more season tickets will even realistically see Warnock have £2m to spend on players in the close season

The only way you will see us do that is if we move on all players for fees that earn over £15k a week and bring in sensible but decent players to replace them and notice the BIG IF in that scenario it's not as if we've shifted anyone yet this month what hole have we got of shifting the overpaid deadwood we still have in the summer?

Unless Tan once again decides to gamble fall foul of FFP rules in the process and run up debt again then there is very little chance of anything but one or two signings in the summer

Hate to have to spell it out so simply but too many on here want exactly what they want without any thought or reason behind anything they actually say

Personally I'd rather us keep clearing the deadwood whilst living within our means and slowly add to the core of what we have and seek promotion the right way the sustainable way that won't see us really unbelievably on a wealthy owner or see us go through pain again should we get promoted and fail to stay up again

Finally if you want Tan to spend but also want the debt down you are and incredible hypocrite

I had one response saying they agreed with my logic

My point was purely the same people who want Mr tan out are calling for investment and now slamming he club for removing players and recovering funds that would be wasted should they stay here for 6 months I appreciate they shouldn't be here to start but that been and gone can only shape the future and if it helps offload them permanently in the summer it's a good move

Anyway in relation to my answer to a topic anyone care to shed light on how they can one minute want the debt down and tan out but the next they want him to open his chequebook and put us back into a debt ridden path again?

Here f*cking here pal. A realists post of the year

The trouble is people are living on another planet on here like you said tan out one min, debt down the next and spend money please in the next, you couldn't make that shit up

Personally I don't want him here or to spend one penny I can not wait for the man to up and go although ive been saying that since the day he bribed everyone with the jingle of money for a colour change where people only seen the glory land, how did that work out huh look where that got us in more of a mess today sadly

You got to love the we should sign threads and big names in them there the same whoppers who wanted him gone 6 months ago

In response to a question around who we are gonna sign and the posters claiming the club need to spend etc

Another laughable thread

Once again the same people who wish Mr Vincent Tan to make the club debt free are the ones asking for money to spend in the summer just how does that work? Do you want a debt free club so you can finally see the back of Mr Tan or do you not really care about seeing the back of him and just want to know the club are spending a few quid on players and being back in the position we were before?

Season ticket revenue means absolutely nothing to a championship club, £300 at 6000 extra is £1.8m that wouldn't even pay the wages of two players you guys are thinking about let alone fund their transfers add to that the loss of £8m in parachute payments and you are dreaming of you think 6000 more season tickets will even realistically see Warnock have £2m to spend on players in the close season

The only way you will see us do that is if we move on all players for fees that earn over £15k a week and bring in sensible but decent players to replace them and notice the BIG IF in that scenario it's not as if we've shifted anyone yet this month what hole have we got of shifting the overpaid deadwood we still have in the summer?

Unless Tan once again decides to gamble fall foul of FFP rules in the process and run up debt again then there is very little chance of anything but one or two signings in the summer

Hate to have to spell it out so simply but too many on here want exactly what they want without any thought or reason behind anything they actually say

Personally I'd rather us keep clearing the deadwood whilst living within our means and slowly add to the core of what we have and seek promotion the right way the sustainable way that won't see us really unbelievably on a wealthy owner or see us go through pain again should we get promoted and fail to stay up again

Finally if you want Tan to spend but also want the debt down you are and incredible hypocrite

I had one response saying they agreed with my logic

My point was purely the same people who want Mr tan out are calling for investment and now slamming he club for removing players and recovering funds that would be wasted should they stay here for 6 months I appreciate they shouldn't be here to start but that been and gone can only shape the future and if it helps offload them permanently in the summer it's a good move

Anyway in relation to my answer to a topic anyone care to shed light on how they can one minute want the debt down and tan out but the next they want him to open his chequebook and put us back into a debt ridden path again?

Here f*cking here pal. A realists post of the year

The trouble is people are living on another planet on here like you said tan out one min, debt down the next and spend money please in the next, you couldn't make that shit up

Personally I don't want him here or to spend one penny I can not wait for the man to up and go although ive been saying that since the day he bribed everyone with the jingle of money for a colour change where people only seen the glory land, how did that work out huh look where that got us in more of a mess today sadly

You got to love the we should sign threads and big names in them there the same whoppers who wanted him gone 6 months ago

good post. its refreshing to read consistency from someone who wants tan gone.

In response to a question around who we are gonna sign and the posters claiming the club need to spend etc

Another laughable thread

Once again the same people who wish Mr Vincent Tan to make the club debt free are the ones asking for money to spend in the summer just how does that work? Do you want a debt free club so you can finally see the back of Mr Tan or do you not really care about seeing the back of him and just want to know the club are spending a few quid on players and being back in the position we were before?

Season ticket revenue means absolutely nothing to a championship club, £300 at 6000 extra is £1.8m that wouldn't even pay the wages of two players you guys are thinking about let alone fund their transfers add to that the loss of £8m in parachute payments and you are dreaming of you think 6000 more season tickets will even realistically see Warnock have £2m to spend on players in the close season

The only way you will see us do that is if we move on all players for fees that earn over £15k a week and bring in sensible but decent players to replace them and notice the BIG IF in that scenario it's not as if we've shifted anyone yet this month what hole have we got of shifting the overpaid deadwood we still have in the summer?

Unless Tan once again decides to gamble fall foul of FFP rules in the process and run up debt again then there is very little chance of anything but one or two signings in the summer

Hate to have to spell it out so simply but too many on here want exactly what they want without any thought or reason behind anything they actually say

Personally I'd rather us keep clearing the deadwood whilst living within our means and slowly add to the core of what we have and seek promotion the right way the sustainable way that won't see us really unbelievably on a wealthy owner or see us go through pain again should we get promoted and fail to stay up again

Finally if you want Tan to spend but also want the debt down you are and incredible hypocrite

I had one response saying they agreed with my logic

My point was purely the same people who want Mr tan out are calling for investment and now slamming he club for removing players and recovering funds that would be wasted should they stay here for 6 months I appreciate they shouldn't be here to start but that been and gone can only shape the future and if it helps offload them permanently in the summer it's a good move

Anyway in relation to my answer to a topic anyone care to shed light on how they can one minute want the debt down and tan out but the next they want him to open his chequebook and put us back into a debt ridden path again?

Here f*cking here pal. A realists post of the year

The trouble is people are living on another planet on here like you said tan out one min, debt down the next and spend money please in the next, you couldn't make that shit up

Personally I don't want him here or to spend one penny I can not wait for the man to up and go although ive been saying that since the day he bribed everyone with the jingle of money for a colour change where people only seen the glory land, how did that work out huh look where that got us in more of a mess today sadly

You got to love the we should sign threads and big names in them there the same whoppers who wanted him gone 6 months ago

Exactly my point mate, hypocrisy at the highest level

If you've stuck by tan and want him to spend I kind of understand that point of view just means your dull as a brush and don't realise there is very little money to spend

If you want him out and want him to put his hand in his pocket still your a complete hypocrite that probably can't form any basis or arguement or have your own opinion

He's done a lot of things to this club huge mistakes and also done some wonderful things too but the biggest mistake left a bad taste in people's mouths and if you've stayed away and stuck by that then FairPlay to you if you've reluctantly accepted what's gone on because you couldn't stay away but are happy like yourself to see the club run under a budget to see us debt free the. Once again that's a very fair point of view but too many want it all and they for me are worse than Mr Tan whatever mistakes he's made he's done so with big intentions and more than likely been ill advised and its cost him big time arguably could have gone down the greatest owner chairman this club has ever seen but will always be remembered for the stupidest mistake in the clubs history

My personal view is that it's better the devil you know and as long as he's around we won't go bust, and I'm happy to see us go for promotion over the windy few years the right way staying within budget and building for a better future until that debt is gone, if by some miracle we scrape promotion then I'd hope MR Tan would sell up and recoup most of his losses and leave us get on again as club but even then that doesn't mean things wouldn't go back arse over tit with a new Owner