Donald Tump, making his mark?

Do you think Britain should do the same?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38777437



Trump suspends US refugee programme and bans Syrians indefinitely

President Trump told CBN News Christian refugees will get priority
President Donald Trump has banned the entry of Syrian refugees into the US until further notice.

He has also halted the issuing of visas to the nationals of six other mainly Muslim countries, including Iran, Iraq, Yemen and Libya, for three months.

Mr Trump said the measures were part of new measures to "keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the US".

Rights groups have condemned the move, saying there is no link between Syrian refugees in the US and terrorism.

Under Mr Trump's wide-ranging executive order, all refugee admissions have been suspended for four months.

Mr Trump signed the order at the Pentagon after a ceremony to swear in Gen James Mattis as defence secretary.

During the ceremony, he said: "I'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States of America. We only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people."

The text of the order was released several hours after it was signed. Among the measures are:

Suspension of the US Refugee Admissions Programme for 120 days
A ban on refugees from Syria until "significant changes" are made
A 90-day suspension on anyone arriving from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen, except certain visa categories such as diplomats
To prioritise future refugee applications from those persecuted for their religion - but only if the person is part of a minority religion in their home country
A cap of 50,000 refugees in 2017 - less than half of the upper limit under Mr Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama
However, a mention of creating "safe zones" within Syria, seen in an earlier draft, was removed from the final order.

The order also said all immigration programmes should include questions to "evaluate the applicant's likelihood of becoming a positively contributing member of society."

In a TV interview broadcast earlier on Friday, the president said Christians would be given priority among Syrians who apply for refugee status in the future.


The US city of Lancaster has taken in hundreds of refugees - but that could all end
Other measures include a broad review of the information required from all countries to approve a visa; a review of visa schemes between nations to ensure they are "truly reciprocal" for US citizens; and the immediate suspension of the Visa Interview Waiver Programme.

But the document says exceptions to most restrictions could be made on a case-by-case basis.

Trump's 'extreme vetting' order sows panic
How a Syrian refugee gets to the US
Syrian refugees in the US, in graphics
President Trump also signed an executive order aimed at rebuilding the military by "developing a plan for new planes, new ships, new resources and new tools for our men and women in uniform".

Last year, Mr Obama's administration admitted 10,000 Syrian refugees into the US. Neighbouring Canada - whose population is a ninth of that of the US - took in 35,000.

During the election campaign, Mr Trump suggested a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on".

But he has made no mention of this since his victory last November.


Trump's 'yuge' first week as president recapped
The executive order has been met with criticism from rights organisations, Democrats and notable figures.

Democratic Senator Kamala Harris noted that the order had been signed on Holocaust Memorial Day. "Make no mistake - this is a Muslim ban," she wrote.

"During the Holocaust, we failed to let refugees like Anne Frank into our country. We can't let history repeat itself," she said.

And New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said he was "profoundly saddened" and the president had sent "a shamefully different message" than the country's founding beliefs.

Malala Yousafzai, the teenage Nobel Peace Laureate who was shot by the Taliban following her advocacy for women's education in Pakistan, wrote that she was "heartbroken".

"America is turning its back on a proud history of welcoming refugees and immigrants - the people who helped build your country, ready to work hard in exchange for a fair chance at a new life," she added.

Do you think Britain should do the same?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38777437

There has to be help for Syrian refugees but simply debunking them from Syria to the west on mass is not the answer as that is unsustainable.

Those who simply want to open the floodgates are more interested in treating the symptoms rather than the illness, so I fully agree with Trump in that talking to Russia is the way forward to bringing peace to Syria. It is in everyone's interest to kick the Islamic state out of that country and at that point the rebuilding of Syria can begin which is a much better solution.

More than Syrians are going to need help with the rate this mad man has been going..

Good on him trying to protect his own citizens from future attack s

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

like I said mental illness

We can't look after our own it's sad to see the problems in these countries however they are mostly run by despots and other than aid we should stay clear.

Firstly to get our own people off the streets and to sort our welfare system.

If people want to come here, it's to work with a job and speaking our language! That also means the rest of the 29 children, grandchildren and relatives don't come added to the job.

The do gooders in this Country should go out to these Countries if they feel so strongly about it and put their help on the ground where it's needed.

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

Says what other people are thinking, but fair play to Trump he says it as he sees it.

We can't look after our own it's sad to see the problems in these countries however they are mostly run by despots and other than aid we should stay clear.

Firstly to get our own people off the streets and to sort our welfare system.

If people want to come here, it's to work with a job and speaking our language! That also means the rest of the 29 children, grandchildren and relatives don't come added to the job.

The do gooders in this Country should go out to these Countries if they feel so strongly about it and put their help on the ground where it's needed.

It is amazing how many of these 'do-gooders' live in the suburbs/countryside, have well paid jobs and don't rely on public services. I'm sick of the Lilly Allen's who happily want to give away our housing, jobs, hospital appointments and see inner city schools overcrowded with non-English speaking children.

Start moving these immigrants next door to these people, see their Doctor surgeries and schools swamped and I bet you that their attitude would change over night. Just look at the howls when Gypsy's build illegal camp sites in rural England?

I agree enough is enough we have to sort ourselves out first and then look to help the rest of the world.

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

Sure you will!

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

The condescension of those on the Left of the political spectrum has driven ordinary working class people to the right. We may not all be academics but we know what's good for us and our families, that isn't enormous pressure on our education system and social services by non English speaking Muslim migrants. "One of the dumbest fekkers on here" so if you can't attack the argument attack the man, it's always the way with pseudo socialists. I've got a solution for the women and children suffering in Syria, their husbands, brothers and sons who fekked off and left them should go home and look after them, instead of throwing bricks at buses containing British schoolchildren in Calais they should be home fighting ISIS. Now that really is pragmatism.

By the way your user name Scandinavian, how has mass uncontrolled inward migration worked for Sweden.

By the way your user name Scandinavian, how has mass uncontrolled inward migration worked for Sweden.

I don't live in Sweden. But the same way every nation not succeeding integration I guess... Government priority and failed politics is not the issue at hand though, how ever interesting the topic is. It is denying humanitarian help.
I'm lucky to live in a country who faught a right wing terrorist with togetherness and treating him as an individual. What you are preaching only creates more tension, and in one week Trump have brought world tension back to levels of the Cold War. So say 12 Nobel price scientists anyway. But that is probably a conspiracy as well I guess. Your friend Wez earned his stamp, no question about that..

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

If you have such a will to gain knowledge then gain some by seeing how the working class are the ones paying the price for mass immigration That's where the 'solution' is happening and quite rightly we have had enough and want to draw a line in the sand.

I to wish to help the Syrians get back on their feet but I don't want to do that by opening the boarders and welcoming in anyone who wants to come here. As I said Trump is willing to talk to Russia and in my book that is the only way to move this desperate situation on.

Finally as Jock pointed out it is pathetic to make silly stupid 'ignorant' personal attacks on Wez if you can't counter his argument. Will you please restrain from such remarks as they bring nothing to the debate.

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

More than Syrians are going to need help with the rate this mad man has been going..

Trump is really getting to you Liberal lefties and I love it

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

The condescension of those on the Left of the political spectrum has driven ordinary working class people to the right. We may not all be academics but we know what's good for us and our families, that isn't enormous pressure on our education system and social services by non English speaking Muslim migrants. "One of the dumbest fekkers on here" so if you can't attack the argument attack the man, it's always the way with pseudo socialists. I've got a solution for the women and children suffering in Syria, their husbands, brothers and sons who fekked off and left them should go home and look after them, instead of throwing bricks at buses containing British schoolchildren in Calais they should be home fighting ISIS. Now that really is pragmatism.

Top post, lefties are mentally ill

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.

I agree with some of your points but do not on probably the main issues!

Maybe you should canvas all the relatives of the people killed in Paris about immigration and the lack of sifting out genuine people coming into their Country!

Sorry but it's a local issue wherever it is and your taxes should be better spent on keeping our borders better policed. Enjoy the football

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.

I agree with some of your points but do not on probably the main issues!

Maybe you should canvas all the relatives of the people killed in Paris about immigration and the lack of sifting out genuine people coming into their Country!

Sorry but it's a local issue wherever it is and your taxes should be better spent on keeping our borders better policed. Enjoy the football

We do both. Now we are also supporting women's abort right in the US financially, since Trump will not. But apperrantlty we are mentally ill, so..
Thanks, you to.

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.

I agree with some of your points but do not on probably the main issues!

Maybe you should canvas all the relatives of the people killed in Paris about immigration and the lack of sifting out genuine people coming into their Country!

Sorry but it's a local issue wherever it is and your taxes should be better spent on keeping our borders better policed. Enjoy the football

We do both. Now we are also supporting women's abort right in the US financially, since Trump will not. But apperrantlty we are mentally ill, so..
Thanks, you to.

So you support Muslims oppressive countries and love killing babies great you lefties are

I have to be honest it does do my head in a bit when I here the 'look after our own' line. Define our own because I don't see why we should look after some of the complete and utter selfish, self absorbed, want, want, want, me, me, me, living a life of riley with no care for what tomorrow brings types that this country homes over someone who is living a harrowing existence based on the fact they happened to be born in a war zone.

I personally think trump the best thing to happen to USA and the world. Had he been in power years ago I don't believe we'd have the problems we got now. He's wants to look after his country and not stick is nose in where it's not needed and risk his fellow countryman lives. Trying to help long lost causes who aren't even grateful anyway.

In relation to U.K. I don't think he be to good for us and will take advantage after our brexit vote. We set ourselves up for a fall and America will gain from it.

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.

I agree with some of your points but do not on probably the main issues!

Maybe you should canvas all the relatives of the people killed in Paris about immigration and the lack of sifting out genuine people coming into their Country!

Sorry but it's a local issue wherever it is and your taxes should be better spent on keeping our borders better policed. Enjoy the football

We do both. Now we are also supporting women's abort right in the US financially, since Trump will not. But apperrantlty we are mentally ill, so..
Thanks, you to.

So you support Muslims oppressive countries and love killing babies great you lefties are

Not sure what you are saying there Wez. But you are against women's right to information on abortion, but you are pro torture?

Perhaps we should concentrate on what our Government does rather than on someone else's foreign policies.

Where do you draw line in how many refugees are let in? After all, there's 3m Syrian ones plus many millions more around world