" Money Will Be Spent Next Season... IF "

If the fans back the club. The current season ticket total of around 12,000 needs to be nearer 18,000 next season if fans expect a transfer war chest.

I think it works both ways.

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If the fans back the club. The current season ticket total of around 12,000 needs to be nearer 18,000 next season if fans expect a transfer war chest.

I think it works both ways.

Agree

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

I think history will show that if this club is battling things out at the top of this league, Mr. Tan can guarantee gates of 20,000 plus for virtually every home game, irrespective of how many of those are actual season ticket holders.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

Norms,
I second that, City need to give out no more bullshit, no more talk and just back Neil Warnock this summer and under Warnock I believe the fans will return in their thousands

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

I think history will show that if this club is battling things out at the top of this league, Mr. Tan can guarantee gates of 20,000 plus for virtually every home game, irrespective of how many of those are actual season ticket holders.

Steve,
Theres more profit for the club if the fans buy tickets per match and I believe we would get 15,000 plus season ticket holders if Tan guarantees to back WARNOCK

I agree. I think there should be a Statement of Intent circulated by the club, not just for supporters, but for potential players wishing to join the club indicating what the club intend for next season

I would hope that it said something like the follow:

On behalf of Tan Sri Vincent Tan Cardiff City Football Club wish to announce that it intends the season 2017/18 to be an automatic promotion year

On there being 18,000 season tickets sold the club will make good its promise to release suitable funds to Manager Neil Warnock so as to achieve the clubs goal.

Tan Sri Vincent Tan wishes to make clear that a play off position would be deemed a failure and that automatic promotion is the clubs ambition.


I think such a statement needs to be short and sweet. Supporters should be in no doubt what the plan is. And potential transfer signings need to be in no doubt that they are moving to a club with a Newcastle Style ambition.

The Club, players and supporters should all be moving in the same direction and only then will we get promoted.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

I think history will show that if this club is battling things out at the top of this league, Mr. Tan can guarantee gates of 20,000 plus for virtually every home game, irrespective of how many of those are actual season ticket holders.

Steve,
Theres more profit for the club if the fans buy tickets per match and I believe we would get 15,000 plus season ticket holders if Tan guarantees to back WARNOCK

I think if the club can prove that a serious crack at promotion is on the cards, they will easily sell 15,000 season tickets. All they need to do is to show some ambition, and even if the club does not achieve promotion, as long as those in control, and the players on the pitch are all giving 100%, no-one can ask for more. At this moment, I think a lot of us are a bit doubtful as to the true ambitions of Tan. As someone has said, we could do with hearing something from the top that will get us enthusiastic about next season.

If the club show ambition, back Warnock, keep ticket prices low then the ST sales for next year will smash this seasons. Especiallly if we have a strong finish to the season.

People don't want to spent money a club showing no intent of moving forward.

To many people believed over the years only to be let down....But I think Tan has ruined this clubs fan base, many including myself want to believe but to much shit under the bridge......not about being a glory hunter but being respected as a supporter and not a customer..

I agree. I think there should be a Statement of Intent circulated by the club, not just for supporters, but for potential players wishing to join the club indicating what the club intend for next season

I would hope that it said something like the follow:

On behalf of Tan Sri Vincent Tan Cardiff City Football Club wish to announce that it intends the season 2017/18 to be an automatic promotion year

On there being 18,000 season tickets sold the club will make good its promise to release suitable funds to Manager Neil Warnock so as to achieve the clubs goal.

Tan Sri Vincent Tan wishes to make clear that a play off position would be deemed a failure and that automatic promotion is the clubs ambition.




I think such a statement needs to be short and sweet. Supporters should be in no doubt what the plan is. And potential transfer signings need to be in no doubt that they are moving to a club with a Newcastle Style ambition.

The Club, players and supporters should all be moving in the same direction and only then will we get promoted.

I would think a statement worded like that would be an absolute non-starter.The very people who would applaud a statement like that would be first to turn on the club if it didn't.Just how big was Derby's war chest been and look at them.An open invitation to get egg on your face.

The yardstick for me is weather Warnock stays or goes-simple

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

I think history will show that if this club is battling things out at the top of this league, Mr. Tan can guarantee gates of 20,000 plus for virtually every home game, irrespective of how many of those are actual season ticket holders.

Steve,
Theres more profit for the club if the fans buy tickets per match and I believe we would get 15,000 plus season ticket holders if Tan guarantees to back WARNOCK

Annis, I think a statement of support from Vincent Tan for Neil Warnock and next season would have a massively positive affect on season ticket renewals, which would result in far higher purchases for next season

Neil Warnock's don't come along too often so when he does a club MUST back him. We have a brilliant opportunity and it would be bonkers not to give it ago.

VT is spending big money each month to keep us going.

Wouldn't be hard for him to back NW and watch the club rise again unless he wants us to be a Cinderella club and he continues to play at it!!!!

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

^This. Will Warnock stay? Will funds be made available?? What is the objective for next season??? Is there a real desire to really move our club on wards & upwards???

There needs to be a really big "feel good factor" at our club, & a couple of visits from VT wouldn't go amiss either.

Anything less & it will be the same old same old!!!

If the fans back the club. The current season ticket total of around 12,000 needs to be nearer 18,000 next season if fans expect a transfer war chest.

I think it works both ways.

The extra 6000 season tickets would be unlikely to generate an additional income of more than about £2m.

Taking into account the loss of (or reduction in, can't remember which) parachute payments for next season, that is going to make virtually no difference whatsoever to the availability or otherwise of a "war chest".

As others have said, a successful team will draw large crowds - they will not come to watch a mediocre team. People have too many other things to spend their time and hard earned cash on nowadays - that's if they even have the cash in the first place!

Can the club expect an extra 6000 people to buy season tickets without some indication that the club are serious about going for promotion? And I don't mean a line or two from Mr Choo in the letter sent with the renewal letters like last year.
How he expected us to believe that the club were making a concerted push for promotion whilst employing Paul Trollope as "head coach" is laughable.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

I think history will show that if this club is battling things out at the top of this league, Mr. Tan can guarantee gates of 20,000 plus for virtually every home game, irrespective of how many of those are actual season ticket holders.

Steve,
Theres more profit for the club if the fans buy tickets per match and I believe we would get 15,000 plus season ticket holders if Tan guarantees to back WARNOCK

They do make more money on walk up, however, in order for the club to approve transfer funds, they need to know their baseline revenue, especially with the FFP rule.

Therefore, more season tickets = guaranteed revenue for that financial year which can equate to higher transfer kitty. The club can only make a budget assumption for the revenue associated to walk ups.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

I think history will show that if this club is battling things out at the top of this league, Mr. Tan can guarantee gates of 20,000 plus for virtually every home game, irrespective of how many of those are actual season ticket holders.

Steve,
Theres more profit for the club if the fans buy tickets per match and I believe we would get 15,000 plus season ticket holders if Tan guarantees to back WARNOCK

Annis, I think a statement of support from Vincent Tan for Neil Warnock and next season would have a massively positive affect on season ticket renewals, which would result in far higher purchases for next season

Chris, Yes it would need Tan himself to say it and that would go along way in getting fans to believe that next season we really are going for it and with the right proven manager

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The problem is every year they want our money early then don't strengthen, you know the saying many times bitten twice shy

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

Norms,
I second that, City need to give out no more bullshit, no more talk and just back Neil Warnock this summer and under Warnock I believe the fans will return in their thousands

Total agree, nail it to the mast and follow it with some signings and the city fans will come back without doubt. We are starting to see a shift and that's down to NW, for me it changed at Bristol. A realisation how much they want it.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

Norms,
I second that, City need to give out no more bullshit, no more talk and just back Neil Warnock this summer and under Warnock I believe the fans will return in their thousands

Total agree, nail it to the mast and follow it with some signings and the city fans will come back without doubt. We are starting to see a shift and that's down to NW, for me it changed at Bristol. A realisation how much they want it.

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Agree. If the club show early ambition in the summer and look to want to have a go at promotion then the fans will come back. I and many others have seen it countless times over the years watching City, if we are doing really well and challenging the attendances rocket.

Agreed it works in reverse, get a decent Manager back him, and the results improve so will the atmosphere, and the fans will return.
Ole, Slade and Trollope have been really hard work, and killed the enjoyment for many fans, but Warnock is already bringing it back

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If they backed warnock with 2 quality attacking players this window we would rise up the league and might even challenge for a play off spot with a good run and finish the season on a high, now that would bring the fans back for a shot at it next season

Could be that fans are waiting to see just how serious the club are about promotion before committing themselves to what is a lot of money for some people. At the minute, a season ticket would be expensive if it is to watch a club lacking ambition and being happy with remaining in the Championship. One thing almost guaranteed, is that a City team fighting it out at the top of the league will attract big gates irrespective of season ticket sales. I think the onus is on Tan to show his ambitions. He is the one selling a product to his customers. Like any business, he has to have a product that customers want to buy.

Great post. City/Tan show some intent and the fans will back you. Don't expect anything more than the 12,000 diehards who will always be there come what may! The onus is on you not the fans!

would you buy a gun that does not fire bullets ? Back Neil he knows what's required to bring life back to the city ! don,t he leaves and so will thousands more - not rocket science - he's been a breathe of thresh air climbed off the bottom and team playing to their best ability most games and playing for each other rather heads in the gutter with previous managers - time will only tell one thing for sure the fans and atmosphere is a long way off at present !

Another laughable thread

Once again the same people who wish Mr Vincent Tan to make the club debt free are the ones asking for money to spend in the summer just how does that work? Do you want a debt free club so you can finally see the back of Mr Tan or do you not really care about seeing the back of him and just want to know the club are spending a few quid on players and being back in the position we were before?

Season ticket revenue means absolutely nothing to a championship club, £300 at 6000 extra is £1.8m that wouldn't even pay the wages of two players you guys are thinking about let alone fund their transfers add to that the loss of £8m in parachute payments and you are dreaming of you think 6000 more season tickets will even realistically see Warnock have £2m to spend on players in the close season

The only way you will see us do that is if we move on all players for fees that earn over £15k a week and bring in sensible but decent players to replace them and notice the BIG IF in that scenario it's not as if we've shifted anyone yet this month what hole have we got of shifting the overpaid deadwood we still have in the summer?

Unless Tan once again decides to gamble fall foul of FFP rules in the process and run up debt again then there is very little chance of anything but one or two signings in the summer

Hate to have to spell it out so simply but too many on here want exactly what they want without any thought or reason behind anything they actually say

Personally I'd rather us keep clearing the deadwood whilst living within our means and slowly add to the core of what we have and seek promotion the right way the sustainable way that won't see us really unbelievably on a wealthy owner or see us go through pain again should we get promoted and fail to stay up again

Finally if you want Tan to spend but also want the debt down you are and incredible hypocrite

If the fans back the club. The current season ticket total of around 12,000 needs to be nearer 18,000 next season if fans expect a transfer war chest.

I think it works both ways.

Agree

Disagree.

This time the club can show me committment before I commit.

If the fans back the club. The current season ticket total of around 12,000 needs to be nearer 18,000 next season if fans expect a transfer war chest.

I think it works both ways.

Agree

Disagree.

This time the club can show me committment before I commit.

Glory boy

If the fans back the club. The current season ticket total of around 12,000 needs to be nearer 18,000 next season if fans expect a transfer war chest.

I think it works both ways.

Agree

Disagree.

This time the club can show me committment before I commit.

Glory boy

Your not funny.