" Cardiff Releasing Players by Mutual Consent "

What does 'mutual agreement' actually mean?



Basically the club and the player come up with a financial compromise whereby his contract is paid up.

Immers signed a new two-year deal with Cardiff only in July and according to Dutch media outlets his annual salary was reported to be around £720,000, close on £15,000 a week.

Cardiff, of course, regard such matters as confidential and will never confirm or deny such figures.


However, if true, it meant Cardiff had a player on their books on a bumper salary and with still a year and a half to go on his contract.

Cardiff chief executive Ken Choo would have crunched the numbers with Vincent Tan, met Immers and his agent and agreed a suitable compromise pay-off.

More often than not these financial matters are loaded in favour of the player because the club is contractually bound to keep on paying him... in Cardiff's case until July 2018.

The Bluebirds may well have told Immers he wouldn't get first-team football under Warnock and that they would pay up around half his contract so he could leave.






Lex Immers released by mutual consent and he is not the first by Cardiff

By Paul Abbadanto

Thursday 12/01/17


Have there been others whose contracts were 'mutually terminated'?

Quite a few of them, actually. Kim Bo Kyung, a key figure in the title-winning team of 2013, saw his contract terminated by mutual agreement a couple of years on after not figuring in Slade's plans.

He joined Wigan and is in Japanese football these days.

Federico Macheda and Kagisho Dikgacoi each left this summer, high-profile Premier League captures who barely featured and hardly offered value for money.

Defender Juan Cala was another, playing in Spain and Russia after Slade made it clear he didn't want him.

Magnus Wolff Eikrem, the Norwegian midfielder who never figured under Slade, was another whose contract was terminated by mutual agreement in December 2014. He has gone on to be a success, signing a three-year deal with Swedish club Malmo, scoring 11 times in 51 appearances.

Then we have the biggest success story of the lot....




Guido Burgstaller


Guido Burgstaller celebrates scoring for Cardiff, but was barely seen again
The Austrian international was part of the massive squad building under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer when joining the Bluebirds in January 2015.

Burgstaller managed just three appearances before again leaving 'by mutual consent' the following January.

He promptly joined German second division side FC Nurnberg and bagged 33 goals in 63 matches, before signing a week ago for mid-table Bundesliga side Schalke.

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Maybe the club were aware of interest from Immers new club and agreed a mutual termination without paying him anything? Thus avoiding transfer and agents fees. The money saved on unpaid wages (about £1.3m?) would be about the same as any transfer fee.
Would a deal like this be beneficial to the club adhering to any ffp rules?

Maybe the club were aware of interest from Immers new club and agreed a mutual termination without paying him anything? Thus avoiding transfer and agents fees. The money saved on unpaid wages (about £1.3m?) would be about the same as any transfer fee.
Would a deal like this be beneficial to the club adhering to any ffp rules?

I've been told immers tore up his contract so he could move to a new club

Who knows?
It's all guess work from fans and people on here.

Maybe the club were aware of interest from Immers new club and agreed a mutual termination without paying him anything? Thus avoiding transfer and agents fees. The money saved on unpaid wages (about £1.3m?) would be about the same as any transfer fee.
Would a deal like this be beneficial to the club adhering to any ffp rules?

I'm sure there are many different scenario's to this, if the player doesn't feel he's gonna get a deal as good as he's got e.g. le Fondre then he's either gonna want paying off in full or stay on the books. If a player is more interested in playing 1st team football than in the reserves then he may feel it's better to come to some sort of deal and if he's got another club lined up that's willing to pay him what he's already getting or even more if there's no transfer fee involved it could be in his interest to just walk away. Unfortunately there are some who just want to look at the worst case scenario to slag off the owner, it's best to see what comes to light in the accounts to see who went and what sort of payments we made.

Maybe the club were aware of interest from Immers new club and agreed a mutual termination without paying him anything? Thus avoiding transfer and agents fees. The money saved on unpaid wages (about £1.3m?) would be about the same as any transfer fee.
Would a deal like this be beneficial to the club adhering to any ffp rules?

I'm sure there are many different scenario's to this, if the player doesn't feel he's gonna get a deal as good as he's got e.g. le Fondre then he's either gonna want paying off in full or stay on the books. If a player is more interested in playing 1st team football than in the reserves then he may feel it's better to come to some sort of deal and if he's got another club lined up that's willing to pay him what he's already getting or even more if there's no transfer fee involved it could be in his interest to just walk away. Unfortunately there are some who just want to look at the worst case scenario to slag off the owner, it's best to see what comes to light in the accounts to see who went and what sort of payments we made.

Agree

Have a look at this,,,

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cardiff- ... on_id/2016


Im sure there are one or two out of the list that might be following Immers.

What surprises me it the time left on some of our players contracts, Morrison & Pilkinghton in particular.

Who knows?
It's all guess work from fans and people on here.

You're not wrong and the only thing we know for sure is that when the the club/manager (in fact, any club/manager) decides a player is not for them, it is reasonable that agreement should be reached to terminate their contract. It's the same in any business or industry

Football is notoriously fickle and littered with both players and clubs dissing contracts almost at will. Cardiff City are no different to many other clubs in this sphere and I think City are doing the right thing, if they believe Immers is not the player they thought he was or there is some 'other' reason for his disappointing lack of appearances in a struggling team

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

So why do we give them long contracts when they're past it and nobody else wants them. I suspect we'll be adding Lambert to that list very shortly. Never mind its all Malkies fault, we can just add the cost to the claim.

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

So why do we give them long contracts when they're past it and nobody else wants them. I suspect we'll be adding Lambert to that list very shortly. Never mind its all Malkies fault, we can just add the cost to the claim.

Whether you like it or not, Malky contributed to both his own success and his own downfall and many of his transfer dealings were part of the latter. Yes, Vincent Tan has to shoulder some blame, as he was the man at the top but equally there are others who were 'advising' a football newbie and convincing him (Tan) that it was all good business

Tan himself, appears to have learned from his own footballing naivety and is on the path of putting the club back on a sound financial footing that it has not seen for many a year

As for Lambert, he has been injured of late and can still make an impact at the club over the next few months; even if that is from the bench. Immers, it appears, had more chance of a game of darts in The Mackintosh!

2 ways a club can deal with this type of scenario.

One is to make him train, and sit on the bench and play in the stiffs for 18 months. This is the principled and cutting off your nose to spite your face ploy. The other is to negotiate with him.

He wanted to leave, he had a club lined up and so given he is already playing for this club I would be staggered if Immers received a penny.

2 ways a club can deal with this type of scenario.

One is to make him train, and sit on the bench and play in the stiffs for 18 months. This is the principled and cutting off your nose to spite your face ploy. The other is to negotiate with him.

He wanted to leave, he had a club lined up and so given he is already playing for this club I would be staggered if Immers received a penny.

Only my opinion but I agree with you I don't think Immers received much in the way of a pay off, probably no more than one month's salary.

He seems to have personal reasons for returning to Holland and had a club lined up. It is also beneficial to the club as it frees a wage up for NW to use elsewhere.

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

So why do we give them long contracts when they're past it and nobody else wants them. I suspect we'll be adding Lambert to that list very shortly. Never mind its all Malkies fault, we can just add the cost to the claim.

Lambert has a clause in his contract where he has to make X amount of appearances to trigger a second year. Considering the games he has already missed he will probably come up short and leave on a free transfer in the summer.

That said I would agree that again we have fallen victim to poor transfer activity.

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

So why do we give them long contracts when they're past it and nobody else wants them. I suspect we'll be adding Lambert to that list very shortly. Never mind its all Malkies fault, we can just add the cost to the claim.

Whether you like it or not, Malky contributed to both his own success and his own downfall and many of his transfer dealings were part of the latter. Yes, Vincent Tan has to shoulder some blame, as he was the man at the top but equally there are others who were 'advising' a football newbie and convincing him (Tan) that it was all good business

Tan himself, appears to have learned from his own footballing naivety and is on the path of putting the club back on a sound financial footing that it has not seen for many a year

As for Lambert, he has been injured of late and can still make an impact at the club over the next few months; even if that is from the bench. Immers, it appears, had more chance of a game of darts in The Mackintosh!

Its just as well we were able to move Malky's premier league purchases on when we went down. Cornelius was probably is only mistake in my opinion. Paid over the odds in wages and fee but he's not the first and wont be the last manager to do that. I'd like to think Tan's learnt but I'm not so sure, I feel relative to our income Lambert could be a bigger balls up. Time will tell but I wouldn't be surprised if he's started his last game for us, will get no more than 5 substitute appearance between now and the end of season at which point he gets put out pasture.

2 ways a club can deal with this type of scenario.

One is to make him train, and sit on the bench and play in the stiffs for 18 months. This is the principled and cutting off your nose to spite your face ploy. The other is to negotiate with him.

He wanted to leave, he had a club lined up and so given he is already playing for this club I would be staggered if Immers received a penny.

I'd be staggered if Immers didn't receive a very substantial pay off reflecting at least the differnce in our contract and his current contract. There aren't many footballers and their agents giving money away.

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

So why do we give them long contracts when they're past it and nobody else wants them. I suspect we'll be adding Lambert to that list very shortly. Never mind its all Malkies fault, we can just add the cost to the claim.

Lambert has a clause in his contract where he has to make X amount of appearances to trigger a second year. Considering the games he has already missed he will probably come up short and leave on a free transfer in the summer.

That said I would agree that again we have fallen victim to poor transfer activity.

Granted that its speculation but at the time it was stated he was given a 2 year contract. If he played more than 20 games in either year it triggered a 3rd year. If it is correct then its an awful deal regardless of whether or not he's a good signing. He's played 15 to date.

2 ways a club can deal with this type of scenario.

One is to make him train, and sit on the bench and play in the stiffs for 18 months. This is the principled and cutting off your nose to spite your face ploy. The other is to negotiate with him.

He wanted to leave, he had a club lined up and so given he is already playing for this club I would be staggered if Immers received a penny.

I'd be staggered if Immers didn't receive a very substantial pay off reflecting at least the differnce in our contract and his current contract. There aren't many footballers and their agents giving money away.

Well we will not know but if City did pay him a substantial sum then that was poor negotiation. I still aver City paid him nothing or at the very minimum a nominal ex gratia payment.

Clubs give long contracts to players that they feel will increase in transfer value.However if you look on transfer site to see our record ins and compare to record outs we have lost a fortune!

So why do we give them long contracts when they're past it and nobody else wants them. I suspect we'll be adding Lambert to that list very shortly. Never mind its all Malkies fault, we can just add the cost to the claim.

Lambert has a clause in his contract where he has to make X amount of appearances to trigger a second year. Considering the games he has already missed he will probably come up short and leave on a free transfer in the summer.

That said I would agree that again we have fallen victim to poor transfer activity.

How do you know about a clause in in his contract?

Warnock is a pretty straight bloke and he said about Immers, The boy wanted to go home his wife is having a baby etc so with common sence a club wanted him back home but were not willing to buy him he approached the club with his agent as the club could say sod off you are under contract so to me Immers and City agreed to release him as there is no point keeping a player who wants to go and I can imagine it didnt cost City nothing as they could have said no you rot here.

As for others I cannot see Tan being like he is letting players getting large amounts of money to get rid so who knows we are all guessing

2 ways a club can deal with this type of scenario.

One is to make him train, and sit on the bench and play in the stiffs for 18 months. This is the principled and cutting off your nose to spite your face ploy. The other is to negotiate with him.

He wanted to leave, he had a club lined up and so given he is already playing for this club I would be staggered if Immers received a penny.

I'd be staggered if Immers didn't receive a very substantial pay off reflecting at least the differnce in our contract and his current contract. There aren't many footballers and their agents giving money away.

Well we will not know but if City did pay him a substantial sum then that was poor negotiation. I still aver City paid him nothing or at the very minimum a nominal ex gratia payment.

Warnock has said that we've saved a 7 figure sum on Immers. If that is the case then he's walked with little pay off in leau of contract. Let us hope so. I know a lot think these things don't matter, after all its only money. However they hugely influence our ability to compete.

Releasing players from their contract's is a dangerous game to be playing and is poor business from the offset however you try to disguise it with 'saved on the wages etc'. It also send's out a terrible message.

As an example, even if Lex cost us say £500,000 in fee's ie loan and to sign permanently and was on 15k a week that is not to shy of £1,000,000 down the drain.

Warnock should be able to work with the players we have got and get the best out of them. We are not talking about someone who is shit or deadwood.

If he wasn't wanted he should have been transfer listed, Brugge should have paid us a fee or Immers should have bought himself out of his contract himself by paying us if he is the one who wanted to go.

You cannot namby-pamby to Football players left right and center. Any player in that Squad now must be thinking, f**k it, if things don't work out ill just have my contact terminated and sign somewhere else, same for any players we are looking to buy.

We have done and are doing it far to often, its not good business in the slightest, the saving on wages thing is a shit attempt to gloss over what is another monumental f**k up.

Releasing players from their contract's is a dangerous game to be playing and is poor business from the offset however you try to disguise it with 'saved on the wages etc'. It also send's out a terrible message.

As an example, even if Lex cost us say £500,000 in fee's ie loan and to sign permanently and was on 15k a week that is not to shy of £1,000,000 down the drain.

Warnock should be able to work with the players we have got and get the best out of them. We are not talking about someone who is shit or deadwood.

If he wasn't wanted he should have been transfer listed, Brugge should have paid us a fee or Immers should have bought himself out of his contract himself by paying us if he is the one who wanted to go.

You cannot namby-pamby to Football players left right and center. Any player in that Squad now must be thinking, f**k it, if things don't work out ill just have my contact terminated and sign somewhere else, same for any players we are looking to buy.

We have done and are doing it far to often, its not good business in the slightest, the saving on wages thing is a shit attempt to gloss over what is another monumental f**k up.

I meant to add at the end but I could't edited it but its like buying a car for £30k and then giving it to a scrap yard 6 months later for nothing and justifying it to yourself by telling yourself think of the money you saved on petrol. It wouldn't and shouldn't ever happen.

Releasing players from their contract's is a dangerous game to be playing and is poor business from the offset however you try to disguise it with 'saved on the wages etc'. It also send's out a terrible message.

As an example, even if Lex cost us say £500,000 in fee's ie loan and to sign permanently and was on 15k a week that is not to shy of £1,000,000 down the drain.

Warnock should be able to work with the players we have got and get the best out of them. We are not talking about someone who is shit or deadwood.

If he wasn't wanted he should have been transfer listed, Brugge should have paid us a fee or Immers should have bought himself out of his contract himself by paying us if he is the one who wanted to go.

You cannot namby-pamby to Football players left right and center. Any player in that Squad now must be thinking, f**k it, if things don't work out ill just have my contact terminated and sign somewhere else, same for any players we are looking to buy.

We have done and are doing it far to often, its not good business in the slightest, the saving on wages thing is a shit attempt to gloss over what is another monumental f**k up.

I meant to add at the end but I could't edited it but its like buying a car for £30k and then giving it to a scrap yard 6 months later for nothing and justifying it to yourself by telling yourself think of the money you saved on petrol. It wouldn't and shouldn't ever happen.

You make a very good point and that's why football is unique in business world ? It happens all the time it's part of football and even big clubs get it wrong (pogba) let go then costs man u 80m to resign him and he's not only big mistake is he?

I truly never understand why fans get excited when players sign 4-5 year contracts, it only means one thing and that's that they are leaving the club in the near future.