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' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:36 pm

' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Am afraid people can't have it both ways, by that I mean applaud his honesty when they like it and then criticise when they don't. When you get an open and honest person who says it as it is am afraid that comes with the territory, he's going to say things which maybe are not going to be to everybody's liking or a quote which will draw the " he shouldn't be saying that " but that's what your dealing with.

He has without doubt raised a few eyebrows with certain comments, but how refreshing having a manager who gets maybe 5% of his words wrong rather than a manager talking absolute nonsense when things aren't good.

Love Warnock and couldn't wish for a better manager at Ccfc right now and responsible for lifting us away from a relation battle. :thumbup: :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :bluebird:
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Re: Warnocks honesty

Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:48 pm

Spot on and seconded :bluescarf:

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:55 pm

Stringfellow wrote:' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Am afraid people can't have it both ways, by that I mean applaud his honesty when they like it and then criticise when they don't. When you get an open and honest person who says it as it is am afraid that comes with the territory, he's going to say things which maybe are not going to be to everybody's liking or a quote which will draw the " he shouldn't be saying that " but that's what your dealing with.

He has without doubt raised a few eyebrows with certain comments, but how refreshing having a manager who gets maybe 5% of his words wrong rather than a manager talking absolute nonsense when things aren't good.

Love Warnock and couldn't wish for a better manager at Ccfc right now and responsible for lifting us away from a relation battle. :thumbup: :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :bluebird:


Gareth, SPOT ON :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:08 pm

I agree it's refreshing.

But weird how he basically was devoid of all blame on sat for setting up wrong and failing to motivate his team. Especially after all the shit the players have been getting. That's just a fact, not something I will cling on to but in all fairness slade and his predecessors would have got roasted for that performance.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:13 pm

nubbsy wrote:I agree it's refreshing.

But weird how he basically was devoid of all blame on sat for setting up wrong and failing to motivate his team. Especially after all the shit the players have been getting. That's just a fact, not something I will cling on to but in all fairness slade and his predecessors would have got roasted for that performance.


Yeah can't disagree with that, got it wrong Saturday both with the comment which ultimately set the tone for the day. He will however get it right more often than not, he did against villa and I have full faith we won't get beat on Saturday. Just like championship players Have flaws then so do managers, I can cope with Saturday's. :thumbup:

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:36 pm

Genuinely isn't a single other manager that i'd want in charge

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:48 pm

Says it how it is. No fluff. Under promises and over delivers. Whatever happens, whatever position, I'd have NW as manager for as long as we can, as he's real and We will enjoy the football and theatre. If you read the forums prior to a game, clubs shit themselves as they know what they will get. Experience.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:49 pm

I'd take Pullis if we had him instead of Ole we would still be in Premiership?

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:53 pm

nubbsy wrote:I agree it's refreshing.

But weird how he basically was devoid of all blame on sat for setting up wrong and failing to motivate his team. Especially after all the shit the players have been getting. That's just a fact, not something I will cling on to but in all fairness slade and his predecessors would have got roasted for that performance.


Your assuming that he approached the match with the idea of winning it which is OK on your part but I don't think he did,or for that matter the players.The game for me had all the ingredients of a friendly,in fact,I've seen more keenly contested friendlies. I think there should be refunds for the fans that went because they were sold tickets under false pretenses.Its almost as if they chucked it.And the fact that Warnock has ripped into players when we've actually played better says it all for me.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:58 pm

I dont think Warnock went out to lose but he was not to concerned if we lost but I think it was a test for certain players to show what they got and they showed they should leave and not come back. we have all got names and there are quite a few the same who had their chance and blew it with us and warnock

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:19 pm

I don't mind him, he's probably one of the best people we could have got at the time to suit our situation.

I don't like some of the things he comes out with and I certainly don't think he's a 'Dream Manager' though.

He might have been 10 years ago but we missed that boat,time moves on and we need to move with it, we are getting the last legs of him now, short term fix at best, I honestly don't see the point of him staying on beyond the end of the season.

What's the point in having a 69 year old as our manager, where is the mid-long term strategy in that? What players are we going to attract, who is going to want to sign for a manager that is going to leave anyway. If he does sign players and then leaves we are left in the same position we have been for the last few years.

But above all that he should knock it on the head for himself, for his wife and his family and enjoy a well earned retirement.

If he wants to stay in Football offer him an advisory role within the club, maybe as a mentor to someone like Bellamy or whoever the Club decide to go with.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:28 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I agree it's refreshing.

But weird how he basically was devoid of all blame on sat for setting up wrong and failing to motivate his team. Especially after all the shit the players have been getting. That's just a fact, not something I will cling on to but in all fairness slade and his predecessors would have got roasted for that performance.


Your assuming that he approached the match with the idea of winning it which is OK on your part but I don't think he did,or for that matter the players.The game for me had all the ingredients of a friendly,in fact,I've seen more keenly contested friendlies. I think there should be refunds for the fans that went because they were sold tickets under false pretenses.Its almost as if they chucked it.And the fact that Warnock has ripped into players when we've actually played better says it all for me.

To be fair, he had indicated that this competition was not something he was particularly bothered about right now. I think it had been fairly obvious all week what sort of game could be expected on Sunday, and that is probably the reason why thousands of fans including myself, did'nt bother turning up to watch it. Expecting something completely different this weekend, and have a feeling we may just sneak a win against Bristol.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:39 am

RV Casual wrote:I don't mind him, he's probably one of the best people we could have got at the time to suit our situation.

I don't like some of the things he comes out with and I certainly don't think he's a 'Dream Manager' though.

He might have been 10 years ago but we missed that boat,time moves on and we need to move with it, we are getting the last legs of him now, short term fix at best, I honestly don't see the point of him staying on beyond the end of the season.

What's the point in having a 69 year old as our manager, where is the mid-long term strategy in that? What players are we going to attract, who is going to want to sign for a manager that is going to leave anyway. If he does sign players and then leaves we are left in the same position we have been for the last few years.

But above all that he should knock it on the head for himself, for his wife and his family and enjoy a well earned retirement.

If he wants to stay in Football offer him an advisory role within the club, maybe as a mentor to someone like Bellamy or whoever the Club decide to go with.


I agree with most of this and think he is ideal for us at the moment though I don't think he will get us promotion next season.
I believe as long as he's backed to a certain extent in the summer he'll stay and we'll push on a little.

With regards to his honesty, I love it and find it refreshing in modern football where most interviews are all about cliche's.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:59 pm

RV Casual wrote:I don't mind him, he's probably one of the best people we could have got at the time to suit our situation.

I don't like some of the things he comes out with and I certainly don't think he's a 'Dream Manager' though.

He might have been 10 years ago but we missed that boat,time moves on and we need to move with it, we are getting the last legs of him now, short term fix at best, I honestly don't see the point of him staying on beyond the end of the season.

What's the point in having a 69 year old as our manager, where is the mid-long term strategy in that? What players are we going to attract, who is going to want to sign for a manager that is going to leave anyway. If he does sign players and then leaves we are left in the same position we have been for the last few years.

But above all that he should knock it on the head for himself, for his wife and his family and enjoy a well earned retirement.

If he wants to stay in Football offer him an advisory role within the club, maybe as a mentor to someone like Bellamy or whoever the Club decide to go with.


I'm not that bothered about his age as managers have a very short shelf life. Long term in football is probably no more than 3 years so by then he will be 72 and going any way. I would like to keep him for those 3 years just to bring some stability to the club then offer him the advisory role you suggest with Bellamy taking over.

As for his honesty (reference the OP) I fully agree. You will never sort out the problems at this club if you pretend they don't exist just to keep people happy. He was right about the Fulham game it was an effort to get out of bed to go and watch it and a bigger effort to stay there!

I have said before if a win had come our way then fine, but I'm not too devastated to have missed out on the FA Cup this season as our Championship survival is more important.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:20 pm

RV Casual wrote:I don't mind him, he's probably one of the best people we could have got at the time to suit our situation.

I don't like some of the things he comes out with and I certainly don't think he's a 'Dream Manager' though.

He might have been 10 years ago but we missed that boat,time moves on and we need to move with it, we are getting the last legs of him now, short term fix at best, I honestly don't see the point of him staying on beyond the end of the season.

What's the point in having a 69 year old as our manager, where is the mid-long term strategy in that? What players are we going to attract, who is going to want to sign for a manager that is going to leave anyway. If he does sign players and then leaves we are left in the same position we have been for the last few years.

But above all that he should knock it on the head for himself, for his wife and his family and enjoy a well earned retirement.

If he wants to stay in Football offer him an advisory role within the club, maybe as a mentor to someone like Bellamy or whoever the Club decide to go with.


He is a short term fix(1-2yrs)but the notion that he's too old is a bit of a nonsense.Its probably what keeps him alive.


When my dad was working at 64 he could jump over most 30yo's heads(metaphoricaly)and had the keenest of minds.Retired at 65 and dead by 71 but always maintained this retirement lark is shite.And I'll always maintain it was retirement that killed him

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:05 pm

valleyrambill wrote:I dont think Warnock went out to lose but he was not to concerned if we lost but I think it was a test for certain players to show what they got and they showed they should leave and not come back. we have all got names and there are quite a few the same who had their chance and blew it with us and warnock



i think he was trying to prove a point that the squad isnt good enough

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Reza wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:I dont think Warnock went out to lose but he was not to concerned if we lost but I think it was a test for certain players to show what they got and they showed they should leave and not come back. we have all got names and there are quite a few the same who had their chance and blew it with us and warnock



i think he was trying to prove a point that the squad isnt good enough


You might not be far wrong there ;)

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:41 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
RV Casual wrote:I don't mind him, he's probably one of the best people we could have got at the time to suit our situation.

I don't like some of the things he comes out with and I certainly don't think he's a 'Dream Manager' though.

He might have been 10 years ago but we missed that boat,time moves on and we need to move with it, we are getting the last legs of him now, short term fix at best, I honestly don't see the point of him staying on beyond the end of the season.

What's the point in having a 69 year old as our manager, where is the mid-long term strategy in that? What players are we going to attract, who is going to want to sign for a manager that is going to leave anyway. If he does sign players and then leaves we are left in the same position we have been for the last few years.

But above all that he should knock it on the head for himself, for his wife and his family and enjoy a well earned retirement.

If he wants to stay in Football offer him an advisory role within the club, maybe as a mentor to someone like Bellamy or whoever the Club decide to go with.


He is a short term fix(1-2yrs)but the notion that he's too old is a bit of a nonsense.Its probably what keeps him alive.


When my dad was working at 64 he could jump over most 30yo's heads(metaphoricaly)and had the keenest of minds.Retired at 65 and dead by 71 but always maintained this retirement lark is shite.And I'll always maintain it was retirement that killed him


I understand the sentiment of what your saying but with respect there are huge differences here you just can't ignore.

Warnock doesn't need to work, he will have enough money in his life to live a permanent holiday, he will be inundated with offers of less strenuous work to keep him active in the studio's etc if that's what he wants or could take an advisory role for example.

You don't get many managers in the top jobs over 60 these days, out of La Liga, Premiership and Serie A there's only 4 and 3 of them are in England.

NW isn't going to change now and its just my opinion but I don't see any benefit in him staying on once his remit of keeping us up is complete for us or him.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:19 pm

GrangeEndStar wrote:Says it how it is. No fluff. Under promises and over delivers. Whatever happens, whatever position, I'd have NW as manager for as long as we can, as he's real and We will enjoy the football and theatre. If you read the forums prior to a game, clubs shit themselves as they know what they will get. Experience.

Would be brilliant if you put up some links on your way mate :ayatollah:

I always thought it to be easy preparing for the predictable. The only bullshitter i heard the last few years was Slade. Dont think Warnock is any more honest than the others.. He just speak another language..

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:36 pm

Stringfellow wrote:' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Am afraid people can't have it both ways, by that I mean applaud his honesty when they like it and then criticise when they don't. When you get an open and honest person who says it as it is am afraid that comes with the territory, he's going to say things which maybe are not going to be to everybody's liking or a quote which will draw the " he shouldn't be saying that " but that's what your dealing with.

He has without doubt raised a few eyebrows with certain comments, but how refreshing having a manager who gets maybe 5% of his words wrong rather than a manager talking absolute nonsense when things aren't good.

Love Warnock and couldn't wish for a better manager at Ccfc right now and responsible for lifting us away from a relation battle. :thumbup: :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :bluebird:


He is the perfect Manager for Cardiff City, I hope he stays for years, if he can't sort us out, no one can !!! :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:39 pm

GrangeEndStar wrote:Says it how it is. No fluff. Under promises and over delivers. Whatever happens, whatever position, I'd have NW as manager for as long as we can, as he's real and We will enjoy the football and theatre. If you read the forums prior to a game, clubs shit themselves as they know what they will get. Experience.



Good point, most hate us anyway, but with Warnock here, they hate us even more, but we don't care :laughing6:

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:41 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I agree it's refreshing.

But weird how he basically was devoid of all blame on sat for setting up wrong and failing to motivate his team. Especially after all the shit the players have been getting. That's just a fact, not something I will cling on to but in all fairness slade and his predecessors would have got roasted for that performance.


Your assuming that he approached the match with the idea of winning it which is OK on your part but I don't think he did,or for that matter the players.The game for me had all the ingredients of a friendly,in fact,I've seen more keenly contested friendlies. I think there should be refunds for the fans that went because they were sold tickets under false pretenses.Its almost as if they chucked it.And the fact that Warnock has ripped into players when we've actually played better says it all for me.


He got it spot on, surely anyone with half a brain realised we were not at all concerned about the FA cup this season, the same as about 50% of the teams in it ???

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:43 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I agree it's refreshing.

But weird how he basically was devoid of all blame on sat for setting up wrong and failing to motivate his team. Especially after all the shit the players have been getting. That's just a fact, not something I will cling on to but in all fairness slade and his predecessors would have got roasted for that performance.


Your assuming that he approached the match with the idea of winning it which is OK on your part but I don't think he did,or for that matter the players.The game for me had all the ingredients of a friendly,in fact,I've seen more keenly contested friendlies. I think there should be refunds for the fans that went because they were sold tickets under false pretenses.Its almost as if they chucked it.And the fact that Warnock has ripped into players when we've actually played better says it all for me.


He got it spot on, surely anyone with half a brain realised we were not at all concerned about the FA cup this season, the same as about 50% of the teams in it ???

Money talks.. The way of football I'm afraid.

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:21 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:Says it how it is. No fluff. Under promises and over delivers. Whatever happens, whatever position, I'd have NW as manager for as long as we can, as he's real and We will enjoy the football and theatre. If you read the forums prior to a game, clubs shit themselves as they know what they will get. Experience.

Would be brilliant if you put up some links on your way mate :ayatollah:

I always thought it to be easy preparing for the predictable. The only bullshitter i heard the last few years was Slade. Dont think Warnock is any more honest than the others.. He just speak another language..


Sorry that he doesn't speak Greek and you're not able to understand him. :laughing6:

Re: ' Neil Warnocks honesty '

Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:23 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:Says it how it is. No fluff. Under promises and over delivers. Whatever happens, whatever position, I'd have NW as manager for as long as we can, as he's real and We will enjoy the football and theatre. If you read the forums prior to a game, clubs shit themselves as they know what they will get. Experience.

Would be brilliant if you put up some links on your way mate :ayatollah:

I always thought it to be easy preparing for the predictable. The only bullshitter i heard the last few years was Slade. Dont think Warnock is any more honest than the others.. He just speak another language..


Sorry that he doesn't speak Greek and you're not able to understand him. :laughing6:

I understand greek. Both as a language and a paraphrase. Dont get your head wrapped up again mate :lol:
But your right, he dosent speak greek ;)