SAM IS A CROOK AND A FRAUD

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

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Wow this could be a good thread.Haven't seen a headline like that since Annis dissing Tan in the early rebrand days.

pointless thread raking up old graves.

Move on like our club is trying to do in the right direction

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

Good response Tony.

With subjects like this you need to her both sides of the story and that is not what we get. Under Ridsdale who was the puppet for PMG/Mike Hall we nearly went out of business due to the tax man coming. It would be interesting to find the facts out about all that knowing a few did well out of the club while we were just about to be wound up.

All we hear is that if it was not for PMG we would have gone out of business. With that being brain washed into us we all attacked the Trust when they turned to PMG asking them to help the club out when the taxmain liquidator came on the scene. The Trusts argument was that PMG had done well out of the club. Who do you believe?

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

Good response Tony.

With subjects like this you need to her both sides of the story and that is not what we get. Under Ridsdale who was the puppet for PMG/Mike Hall we nearly went out of business due to the tax man coming. It would be interesting to find the facts out about all that knowing a few did well out of the club while we were just about to be wound up.

All we hear is that if it was not for PMG we would have gone out of business. With that being brain washed into us we all attacked the Trust when they turned to PMG asking them to help the club out when the taxmain liquidator came on the scene. The Trusts argument was that PMG had done well out of the club. Who do you believe?

Totally agree Ian that's why this self-serving book by Mike Hall should be considered with a great deal of scepticism. I prefer to rely on impartial documents such as the club accounts which showed Sam/Langston put £24m into the club and PMG put £9.6m.

Sam was repaid around £24m by Vincent Tan whilst PMG received (from memory without looking it up) the £9.6m back plus about 5 years worth of interest @ 7% (I think it was) via the income from the Premier Seats. Throw in the land (Aldi's/McDonalds) they acquired at a knock down £1m (previously valued at £6m) plus they also walked away with the rights to develop the Retail Park, God knows what they made on that.

There is a phrase for their actions and it is 'asset stripping' and that is what they did, stripped the club of it's assets. The list of names who came out with credit from this book are nothing more than accessories to that plunder IMO.

Of course my original point was that those who shout the loudest have the most to hide and boy does Mr Hall need to shout.

Tony if it wasn't true he wouldn't have put it in black and white in his book or Sam would have him for liable.He also says how many supporters were taken in by Sam's lies and actually states Sam is a crook! I know who I believe,read the book,explosive stuff and a good read 6 chapters on Cardiff City with actual emails and Court Judgements etc.

Tony if it wasn't true he wouldn't have put it in black and white in his book or Sam would have him for liable.He also says how many supporters were taken in by Sam's lies and actually states Sam is a crook! I know who I believe,read the book,explosive stuff and a good read 6 chapters on Cardiff City with actual emails and Court Judgements etc.

I'm stating Mike Hall is an asset stripper and I have done for years and strangely enough I haven't received a court summons through the post yet Liable laws are complicated and it is not always as easy as you think to sue someone.

Writing a self-serving book is no proof. I have read those Court Judgements and at no point does the Judge state Sam Hammam is a crook. Also after the court case the club AGREED it owed Sam/Langston that money and agreed to repay it by 31 December 2016. If Sam was a crook then why did the club (including Mike Hall) agree to repay him his money?

As for any Emails it is the ones that Hall hasn't published which would tell you more. It is easy to take things out of context when only part of the story is being told.

As I said you need to be more objective and take into account that Mr. Hall needs to do a lot of shouting to cover his own behaviour.

No-one from that period of the club's history came out of it smelling of roses including Sam Hammam. PMG have tried to sweep their behaviour under the carpet for years and it is wrong that they should point the finger in this way after they walked away from the club with millions of pounds more than anyone else.

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

Spot on Tony

I he hates football, not even a CARDIFF Fan and I argued with him at a Shareholders meeting, he could not wait for the new development at the Cardiff City stadium and I did not even like football fans never mind CITY fans.
Made a fortune and put peanuts in.

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

THREE POUNDS SOMES UP THE BOOK

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

How is someone who made nothing (Sam) out of Cardiff City a crook yet someone who made millions (Hall) is just a 'business man?'

Talk about warped logic

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

How is someone who made nothing (Sam) out of Cardiff City a crook yet someone who made millions (Hall) is just a 'business man?'

Talk about warped logic

Sam made nothing out of Cardiff City? You have said that like its a fact?

How do you know this? I was under the impression that he had done ok out of us but I know little about it to be honest.

Genuine question BTW.

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

How is someone who made nothing (Sam) out of Cardiff City a crook yet someone who made millions (Hall) is just a 'business man?'

Talk about warped logic

Sam made nothing???
He ran up huge debts and there was no accountability for those debts - I'm a shareholder & there were no AGMs strangely enough.
After creating these debts, he then loans the company money to pay the debts at rates concocted by a fake trading company - which later turns out to be him all along. Who was ensuring best value for contracts such as the Grange End roof, Grandstand roof extension etc. & did it matter to them if they knew they would get the money back plus a premium?
He'd also arranged favourable terms & conditions, including repayment & bonuses. All easily achievable when you're negotiating with yourself.
Some would even deem it as fraudulent.
But surely no-one would think that of Sam "I won't take a penny out of the club" Hammam?
It's a tricky one eh

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

How is someone who made nothing (Sam) out of Cardiff City a crook yet someone who made millions (Hall) is just a 'business man?'

Talk about warped logic

Sam made nothing???
He ran up huge debts and there was no accountability for those debts - I'm a shareholder & there were no AGMs strangely enough.
After creating these debts, he then loans the company money to pay the debts at rates concocted by a fake trading company - which later turns out to be him all along. Who was ensuring best value for contracts such as the Grange End roof, Grandstand roof extension etc. & did it matter to them if they knew they would get the money back plus a premium?
He'd also arranged favourable terms & conditions, including repayment & bonuses. All easily achievable when you're negotiating with yourself.
Some would even deem it as fraudulent.
But surely no-one would think that of Sam "I won't take a penny out of the club" Hammam?
It's a tricky one eh

Your talking too much sense for the sam followers on here

Let's face it the Lebanese gentleman was a crook it's plain for all to see

A man so hell bent got years on lying to his supposed close friends convincing them he wasn't Langston and would never hurt the club he loved almost took it to the wall, blame who you want for past endeavours but let's face it he almost killed us off PMG stepped in to save us from bankruptcy and went on to make a nice packet as I'm sure most are so did Sam lets just say he's very lucky that a certain Peter ridsdale managed to convince some wealthy Chinese businessmen to invest when they did or he'd have got fook all, I just wonder this only a theory mind you whether that mr ridsdale was actually a friend or a certain Lebanese gentleman not the hatred we are all supposed to belie they had towards one another I mean did Peter get any backhanders to find investment for the club from that gentlemen again only a theory but we couldn't go bust or Sam was broke and we all know Peter would do anything for a few quid wouldn't he

Sam may have got the club moving but also spent frivousl my lent money to the club through a shell corporation and only like cared about his own interests that was made pretty clear when it came out he really was Langston and he'd been lying all along to me he's just another Leach that only cared for himself and not the club

Tan has made idiotic mistakes but I cannot even begin to compare him with any of the aforementioned people who were pure poisonous to this club

I'm staggered to read on this thread people saying there are two sides and we should hear Sam's.

The same Sam who said he'd never take the club to court and subsequently did. Sam did very well out of Cardiff City.

Tony ask Wimbeldon fan about Sam,he sold them to MK Dons for 30m. He wanted to do the same to us but the council won't give the go ahead for the new stadium unless he resigned.He was Langston and eventually Tan paid him off for about 15m.Sam was paying himself half a million a year when at Cardiff and getting massive interest from his Langston loan.

Not knowing any of these people, it always seemed like Ridsdale took us over from Sam (who was definitely loaning money to city for debts he created), delivered the stadium, did a 3 year price freeze for STH, and brought in TG as an investor.

He might not be likable due to his forked tongue and big head, but a better business man would have folded city and walked away.

Wonder if he still lives in the ventilation ducting?...

One thing I do know about him is he mismanaged the club and built up debts that put our club in a unhealthy state. Just for that reason he's a prize prick imo.

Not knowing any of these people, it always seemed like Ridsdale took us over from Sam (who was definitely loaning money to city for debts he created), delivered the stadium, did a 3 year price freeze for STH, and brought in TG as an investor.

He might not be likable due to his forked tongue and big head, but a better business man would have folded city and walked away.

Wonder if he still lives in the ventilation ducting?...

That's how I see it aswell, I won't pretend to know the in's and out's of everything and normally stay well clear of these types of threads but I had to ask the question when TBW said Sam made nothing out of the Club as I was under the impression he had done more than ok.

As for Ridsdale, I'm not sure what he did so wrong either, like I said I don't know the intimate details and am happy to be told but on the face of it he didn't do to bad a job did he?

Not knowing any of these people, it always seemed like Ridsdale took us over from Sam (who was definitely loaning money to city for debts he created), delivered the stadium, did a 3 year price freeze for STH, and brought in TG as an investor.

He might not be likable due to his forked tongue and big head, but a better business man would have folded city and walked away.

Wonder if he still lives in the ventilation ducting?...

That's how I see it aswell, I won't pretend to know the in's and out's of everything and normally stay well clear of these types of threads but I had to ask the question when TBW said Sam made nothing out of the Club as I was under the impression he had done more than ok.

As for Ridsdale, I'm not sure what he did so wrong either, like I said I don't know the intimate details and am happy to be told but on the face of it he didn't do to bad a job did he?

Yep, with Rids it was the promise of a player that went along with the golden ticket deal, that set the crowd on him, but if he had, instead of paying bills, we would have sunk for sure.

Not knowing any of these people, it always seemed like Ridsdale took us over from Sam (who was definitely loaning money to city for debts he created), delivered the stadium, did a 3 year price freeze for STH, and brought in TG as an investor.

He might not be likable due to his forked tongue and big head, but a better business man would have folded city and walked away.

Wonder if he still lives in the ventilation ducting?...

Not all correct, the Malaysians refused to deal with ridsdale and wanted him kept away from negotiations, I believe Borley oversaw the take out flying out to meet them several times.

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

How is someone who made nothing (Sam) out of Cardiff City a crook yet someone who made millions (Hall) is just a 'business man?'

Talk about warped logic

How much was Sam paying himself out of the club ??

If anyone on this forum still doesn't think Sam is a crook and fraud and Vincent Tan was our Saviour,I suggest you read The Mike Hall Story where he covers his time as a Director of Cardiff City in great detail.The late David Temme,Steve Borley,Peter Ridsdale and David Jones also come out with a Great deal of credit. I got my copy from MacArthur Glen Bookshop,Bridgend for 3pounds in their sale.

There is an old saying that goes "those who shout the loudest have the most to hide".

Mike Hall as part of PMG did very well out of Cardiff City and walked away with millions of pounds unlike Sam Hammam who eventually was lucky enough just about got his money back and break even.

Also throw in that anyone stating Peter Ridsdale deserves credit and you really have got a very dubious story on your hands.

If I were you I would not take everything you read as gospel and try and be a little more objective before stating one man is a crook and at the same time exonerating others.

OK sam

Even you Wez, can't praise someone like him, I know you know I am right on this

PMG saved the club but made a mint out of the club through the retail park but sam is a crook and Hall was just a business man

How is someone who made nothing (Sam) out of Cardiff City a crook yet someone who made millions (Hall) is just a 'business man?'

Talk about warped logic

My point is when Sam arrived City were skint, in debt and Division 4 and we were worthless with crowds of 4,000 and prob most of these fans that blame and attack Sam, never followed us before as when Sam arrived our home crowds were 4,000 and yet during his time two promotions and the biggest increase in crowds in the Leagues all facts,

The club was going no where and most so called fans never watched us.


SAME OLD DEBATES DELIB BROUGHT BACK UP/ SO I WILL LEAVE IT THERE


As to MIKE HALL well said Tony

Not knowing any of these people, it always seemed like Ridsdale took us over from Sam (who was definitely loaning money to city for debts he created), delivered the stadium, did a 3 year price freeze for STH, and brought in TG as an investor.

He might not be likable due to his forked tongue and big head, but a better business man would have folded city and walked away.

Wonder if he still lives in the ventilation ducting?...

Not all correct, the Malaysians refused to deal with ridsdale and wanted him kept away from negotiations, I believe Borley oversaw the take out flying out to meet them several times.

all I know is rids sold the idea to TG when his son came for a trial, i know nothing about the negotiations, so didnt comment on them.