Warnocks Honesty- IS IT GOOD OR BAD?

Today's conference he is brutally honest , part of me thinks wow keep it in the changing room but then I'm also thinking how refreshing it is that we get to hear exactly what his thoughts are and what his plans are be it the club cor individual players.

Is it good or bad???

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Some great quotes here from Jim Carrey. Check out quote 9!

Here's 10 inspirational quotes from Jim Carrey's commencement address to Maharishi University of Management's b of 2014.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140819 ... nt-address

10) “Your job is not to figure out how it’s going to happen for you, but to open the door in your head and when the doors open in real life, just walk through it. Don’t worry if you miss your cue. There will always be another door opening. They keep opening.”

9) "Your need for acceptance can make you invisible in this world. Don't let anything stand in the way of the light that shines through this form. Risk being seen in all of your glory."

8) "Why not take a chance on faith? Not religion, but faith. Not hope, but faith. I don't believe in hope. Hope is a beggar. Hope walks through the fire and faith leaps over it.

7) "You can spend your whole life imagining ghosts and worrying about the pathway to the future but all there will ever be is what's happening here and the decisions we make in this moment."

6) "I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want, so you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.”

5) "I'm making a conscious choice to see challenges as beneficial so that I can deal with them in the most productive way."

4) "I can tell you from experience, the effect you have on others is the most valuable currency there is."

3) "As far as I can tell, it's just about letting the universe know what you want and working toward it while letting go of how it might come to pass."

2) "You will only ever have two choices: love or fear. Choose love and don't ever let fear turn you against your playful heart"

1) "So many of us choose our path out of fear disguised as practicality. What we really want seems impossibly out of reach and ridiculous to expect, so we never dare to ask the universe for it. I’m saying, I’m the proof that you can ask the universe for it."

The full speech here.

https://youtu.be/V80-gPkpH6M

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Being honest is great, but when you admit you haven't done your job properly you have got to accept the criticism.

You can't be happy with what he's said today surely? Other managers have been shot down for squandering cash, we have to be the same with everyone or we run the risk of becoming hypocrites.

Difference between signing players on huge wages to long term contracts and giving 2 short term contracts that probably weren't' that high to have a look at potential signings and give us a bit more depth

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Totally concur, I've confronted several people and challenged them with truth only to be told I''m nasty. Which I certainly wasn't just the fact Truth hurts

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Being honest is great, but when you admit you haven't done your job properly you have got to accept the criticism.

You can't be happy with what he's said today surely? Other managers have been shot down for squandering cash, we have to be the same with everyone or we run the risk of becoming hypocrites.

I agree you have to admit if you've made a mistake and he's admitted it, as he had not looked at all our present players properly so rushed in on bringing some of his new signings.

Hes admitting he got it wrong on Chamakh

Every manager makes mistakes from Alex Ferguson to Neil Warnock.
But with 8 promotions behind Warnock and saving 5 clubs from relegation,Warnock will get away with more mistakes than some managers and rightly so



Warnock: "I wasn't aware of Huw at the time, or of Declan John when I brought Kieran in. I didn't think we had any cover at all for Rickie Lambert which is why I brought Chamakh in. When the opportunities have come I've actually gone with Freddie because he'd done well in training."

It's perfect for our type of club. The player either responds and improves or downs tools and gives up, in which case we know sooner rather than later if this is the type of player we want at our club. I doubt he'd have named them publicly if he didn't expect a positive response from them.

Difference between signing players on huge wages to long term contracts and giving 2 short term contracts that probably weren't' that high to have a look at potential signings and give us a bit more depth

Depth he's just admitted we didn't need as was he wasn't aware of Declan John, Emyr Huws's or Fred

No idea why people think Richardson and Chamakh are on contracts that were not that high either to be honest, trust me they came here cos we made it worth their while.

I have got nothing against Warnock, I think he's doing ok, underachieving a little in my eyes but ok all the same.

Same as Saturday, I think Polo pointed it out on another thread but I don't want to put words in his mouth but the fact Warnock dropped our left back to the bench, played our right back at left back and a centre half at right back has just been brushed under the carpet.

I'm not going to come on here and make excuses for him when he blatantly does things that are indefensible, those that do make themselves look a bit silly to be honest and this is one example.

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Being honest is great, but when you admit you haven't done your job properly you have got to accept the criticism.

You can't be happy with what he's said today surely? Other managers have been shot down for squandering cash, we have to be the same with everyone or we run the risk of becoming hypocrites.

I agree you have to admit if you've made a mistake and he's admitted it, as he had not looked at all our present players properly so rushed in on bringing some of his new signings.

Hes admitting he got it wrong on Chamakh

Every manager makes mistakes from Alex Ferguson to Neil Warnock.
But with 8 promotions behind Warnock and saving 5 clubs from relegation,Warnock will get away with more mistakes than some managers and rightly so



Warnock: "I wasn't aware of Huw at the time, or of Declan John when I brought Kieran in. I didn't think we had any cover at all for Rickie Lambert which is why I brought Chamakh in. When the opportunities have come I've actually gone with Freddie because he'd done well in training."

I like it.Its only a big deal to those that make it one.All he knew when he took us on is that we were in a f*cking great mess from top to bottom so needed some legs and quickly.Its better than being spoon feed the BS like previous managers did.

Show me anyone who's never cocked it up in work and I'll show you a f*cking liar.

I like it.Its only a big deal to those that make it one.All he knew when he took us on is that we were in a f*cking great mess from top to bottom so needed some legs and quickly.Its better than being spoon feed the BS like previous managers did.

Show me anyone who's never cocked it up in work and I'll show you a f*cking liar.

This^^^^^^^

I like it.Its only a big deal to those that make it one.All he knew when he took us on is that we were in a f*cking great mess from top to bottom so needed some legs and quickly.Its better than being spoon feed the BS like previous managers did.

Show me anyone who's never cocked it up in work and I'll show you a f*cking liar.

SPOT ON Martin, after the last 7 years,Cardiff City was in a right f*cking mess and for me,Warnock is the best move this club has done for many a year

Its a refreshing change from the robotic, cliché drivel dished up by slade week in, week out. Some of the stuff Warnock says shocks and suprises but it's always interesting and honest.

Difference between signing players on huge wages to long term contracts and giving 2 short term contracts that probably weren't' that high to have a look at potential signings and give us a bit more depth

Spot on. NW has a budget and utilised some of it with those short term signings. It hasn't worked out so now NW is looking to use the budget elsewhere. He is a manager that is what manager's do.

So his honesty was telling 2 players they are going when their short term deals run out, so what is wrong with that?

Difference between signing players on huge wages to long term contracts and giving 2 short term contracts that probably weren't' that high to have a look at potential signings and give us a bit more depth

Agree

Honesty is the best policy, unless you're a Politician, Banker or.......Football Manager

I like it.Its only a big deal to those that make it one.All he knew when he took us on is that we were in a f*cking great mess from top to bottom so needed some legs and quickly.Its better than being spoon feed the BS like previous managers did.

Show me anyone who's never cocked it up in work and I'll show you a f*cking liar.

spot on
show me a manager that can assess a 30 player squad properly in a matter of days and ill also show you a f*cking LIAR. come to think of it i know of one managing coventry.

I appreciate that Mr Warnock doesn't treat us like idiots.

He made two calculated gambles that didn't come of. One short term contract who is excellent and a monster he gave a 2 year deal to.

I know almost nothing about Huws except he is Welsh so gets a free pass with a lot of our fans and John who'll end up a league 2 left midfielder in a year or two.

The guy is a championship manager who knew who Lambert, Whitts, Gunnar, Peltier, O'Keefe, Connolly, Morrison, Bennett, Manga, Pilkington & Noone were. The others who he didn't know were probably not worth gambling with when we were in the relegation zone. League 1 players are league 1 players for a reason. So draft in players with Championship credentials until you can assess.

I Luv Colin

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Being honest is great, but when you admit you haven't done your job properly you have got to accept the criticism.

You can't be happy with what he's said today surely? Other managers have been shot down for squandering cash, we have to be the same with everyone or we run the risk of becoming hypocrites.

it wasnt pre season mate, he was coming into a club that needed an all around lift, had obviously kept his finger on the pulse to even know who was about out of contract just in case he got a club. we had signed Bennett and Richardson as left backs so why look deeper?. we also had Gunner , and Immers not playing in midfield. did you expect him to take 4 weeks assessing everyone or do what he did?
the points bump is there to see and although chamack and richardson havent played many minutes the effect of all four signings was probably to make those holding the shirts, up their performances.

Its good of course Warnock doesn't take any shit which is what we need and no one's better than Warnock.

Bad.

Very unprofessional although it made a refreshing change. Even so he should not be doing this.

I thought he was on the edge when he commented he can't wait for January. He crossed the line by naming names.

Bad.

Very unprofessional although it made a refreshing change. Even so he should not be doing this.

I thought he was on the edge when he commented he can't wait for January. He crossed the line by naming names.

thats what you get with him. surely we all knew this.
he called an opposition player a sewer rat then went on and signed that same player.

but he must have a way with players and knows which ones respond to different things because so many of them keep signing for him?

Bad.

Very unprofessional although it made a refreshing change. Even so he should not be doing this.

I thought he was on the edge when he commented he can't wait for January. He crossed the line by naming names.

thats what you get with him. surely we all knew this.
he called an opposition player a sewer rat then went on and signed that same player.

but he must have a way with players and knows which ones respond to different things because so many of them keep signing for him?

Very true.

Still doesn't sit right with me though.

I prefer honest,straight talking people and Warnock is that ,but in this day and age,you get shot down as people hate hearing the truth if it does not suit them.

Being honest is great, but when you admit you haven't done your job properly you have got to accept the criticism.

You can't be happy with what he's said today surely? Other managers have been shot down for squandering cash, we have to be the same with everyone or we run the risk of becoming hypocrites.

it wasnt pre season mate, he was coming into a club that needed an all around lift, had obviously kept his finger on the pulse to even know who was about out of contract just in case he got a club. we had signed Bennett and Richardson as left backs so why look deeper?. we also had Gunner , and Immers not playing in midfield. did you expect him to take 4 weeks assessing everyone or do what he did?
the points bump is there to see and although chamack and richardson havent played many minutes the effect of all four signings was probably to make those holding the shirts, up their performances.

Exactly

Difference between signing players on huge wages to long term contracts and giving 2 short term contracts that probably weren't' that high to have a look at potential signings and give us a bit more depth

I agree, they weren't on much money and the fact he's taken them on until January was good. Didn't work out, but hoilet alone was worth the two that didn't work out let alone bamba. 2 out of 4 is good.

I dont want to carry this on for the sake of it but people keep saying Richardson and Chamakh were not on much money like its a fact, is there any proof in this?

Chamakh was on 40k a week at Palace up untill June and was wanted by WBA and Palermo amongst others before he signed for us.

Im almost certain but not 100% because I cant remember where I read it but think it was on here by Carl or Annis that because he was a free transfer we were able to offer him a considerable signing on fee to get him to come as we were not his only option.

I dont want to carry this on for the sake of it but people keep saying Richardson and Chamakh were not on much money like its a fact, is there any proof in this?

Chamakh was on 40k a week at Palace up untill June and was wanted by WBA and Palermo amongst others before he signed for us.

Im almost certain but not 100% because I cant remember where I read it but think it was on here by Carl or Annis that because he was a free transfer we were able to offer him a considerable signing on fee to get him to come as we were not his only option.

unfortunately its rife on here, people quoting players wages/ contracts, or in fact quoting what other posters have posted as what players wages are { done that myself}. most of the time its just guessing.and if you have the time and inclination to look back , you will actually find the same posters quoting different wages for the same players.
wasting money. they all do it DJ. Malky. Ole, Slade all bought duds, but none of them came in when things were as desperate as they were when NW came in, he had to fight the fire there and then.

This is what I meant the other day regarding Warnock getting treated far different to lesser named managers, and any blame is rounded at others first or waived all together, same when we have "big name" players here, they could turn in dire performances yet the blame would be put at the door of the players around him first, yet if that same player had an unknown "smith" on the back of his shirt for example then after the game the exact same performance would be torn to shreds. I am a fan of Warnock, good manager and good for the club - but let's not pretend any longer that if Trollope, OGS or Slade did the same thing today that people wouldn't be acting a lot differently. Warnock does get a free pass in these instances, its clear. Also little things like putting a spin on certain senarios. If Trollope was in charge for the Barnsley game then the reports on here would have read "Trollope loses more points at home", "powder puff resolve", "stupid errors and judgement cost Trollope"... However under Warnock that same performance would be (and was) met with "never say die Warnock so unlucky". We beg for consistency on the pitch, we should display some as fans too, start saying things as hey are and not what people want things to be.

This is what I meant the other day regarding Warnock getting treated far different to lesser named managers, and any blame is rounded at others first or waived all together, same when we have "big name" players here, they could turn in dire performances yet the blame would be put at the door of the players around him first, yet if that same player had an unknown "smith" on the back of his shirt for example then after the game the exact same performance would be torn to shreds. I am a fan of Warnock, good manager and good for the club - but let's not pretend any longer that if Trollope, OGS or Slade did the same thing today that people wouldn't be acting a lot differently. Warnock does get a free pass in these instances, its clear. Also little things like putting a spin on certain senarios. If Trollope was in charge for the Barnsley game then the reports on here would have read "Trollope loses more points at home", "powder puff resolve", "stupid errors and judgement cost Trollope"... However under Warnock that same performance would be (and was) met with "never say die Warnock so unlucky". We beg for consistency on the pitch, we should display some as fans too, start saying things as hey are and not what people want things to be.

Elements of truth there. Recall the Adam Matthews own goal at Ipswich. Dave Jones took a right swiping from this board for calling Matthews out.