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Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:50 pm
BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:50 pm
Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:55 pm
SWilliams wrote:I'm sorry but I really don't understand this big love-in with Warnock. He hasn't proved anything yet. At the moment we are sitting just off the bottom three and with some very tough fixtures over Christmas we could be back in the relegation zone.
We need to see what happens in January, but lets be honest to date he hasn't made any significant impact. To me he just seems to be very outspoken but has delivered little. He can talk the talk but now he needs to walk the walk.
If Slade or Trollope had bought in Richardson or Chamakh they would have been slaughtered for not playing them and wasting resources. For Warnock to say he wasn't aware of Huws or Declan is quite outrageous.
Also our tactics at times have been woeful. Wigan, first half against Wolves (we would have been beaten against a better team) and the mistakes against Barnsley. Again, if this had been Slade he would have been ripped apart.
I think we need to judge Warnock on current performance (to be fair following the January window) not on former successes.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:29 pm
SWilliams wrote:I'm sorry but I really don't understand this big love-in with Warnock. He hasn't proved anything yet. At the moment we are sitting just off the bottom three and with some very tough fixtures over Christmas we could be back in the relegation zone.
We need to see what happens in January, but lets be honest to date he hasn't made any significant impact. To me he just seems to be very outspoken but has delivered little. He can talk the talk but now he needs to walk the walk.
If Slade or Trollope had bought in Richardson or Chamakh they would have been slaughtered for not playing them and wasting resources. For Warnock to say he wasn't aware of Huws or Declan is quite outrageous.
Also our tactics at times have been woeful. Wigan, first half against Wolves (we would have been beaten against a better team) and the mistakes against Barnsley. Again, if this had been Slade he would have been ripped apart.
I think we need to judge Warnock on current performance (to be fair following the January window) not on former successes.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:31 pm
SWilliams wrote:I'm sorry but I really don't understand this big love-in with Warnock. He hasn't proved anything yet. At the moment we are sitting just off the bottom three and with some very tough fixtures over Christmas we could be back in the relegation zone.
We need to see what happens in January, but lets be honest to date he hasn't made any significant impact. To me he just seems to be very outspoken but has delivered little. He can talk the talk but now he needs to walk the walk.
If Slade or Trollope had bought in Richardson or Chamakh they would have been slaughtered for not playing them and wasting resources. For Warnock to say he wasn't aware of Huws or Declan is quite outrageous.
Also our tactics at times have been woeful. Wigan, first half against Wolves (we would have been beaten against a better team) and the mistakes against Barnsley. Again, if this had been Slade he would have been ripped apart.
I think we need to judge Warnock on current performance (to be fair following the January window) not on former successes.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:36 pm
RV Casual wrote:Not having a go for the sake of it and maybe I'm reading it wrong but he's basically admitting he hadn't looked into our squad properly before signing them.
How he can say he wasn't aware of Declan John is beyond me?
Neither Richardson or Chamakh would have come cheap, trust me when I say we would have had to make it worth their while to come down here even on short term deals.
I reckon they would both be on 20k a week not even taking into consideration a reported signing on fee for Chamakh and agent fee's etc.
Got to have have squandered £750,000 to a £1,000,000 on this pair which could have been spent in January. Getting them off the wage bill is nothing to be proud of, it just brings us back to where we were when he started minus a load of cash.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:41 pm
polo wrote:RV Casual wrote:Not having a go for the sake of it and maybe I'm reading it wrong but he's basically admitting he hadn't looked into our squad properly before signing them.
How he can say he wasn't aware of Declan John is beyond me?
Neither Richardson or Chamakh would have come cheap, trust me when I say we would have had to make it worth their while to come down here even on short term deals.
I reckon they would both be on 20k a week not even taking into consideration a reported signing on fee for Chamakh and agent fee's etc.
Got to have have squandered £750,000 to a £1,000,000 on this pair which could have been spent in January. Getting them off the wage bill is nothing to be proud of, it just brings us back to where we were when he started minus a load of cash.
If Russell Slade, or Ken Choo, had made those comments this forum would be going into melt down.
Cos its Neil Warnock people like his brutal honesty
Dont get me wrong we are all guilty of it sometimes but the double standards here are quite shocking
Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:53 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:polo wrote:RV Casual wrote:Not having a go for the sake of it and maybe I'm reading it wrong but he's basically admitting he hadn't looked into our squad properly before signing them.
How he can say he wasn't aware of Declan John is beyond me?
Neither Richardson or Chamakh would have come cheap, trust me when I say we would have had to make it worth their while to come down here even on short term deals.
I reckon they would both be on 20k a week not even taking into consideration a reported signing on fee for Chamakh and agent fee's etc.
Got to have have squandered £750,000 to a £1,000,000 on this pair which could have been spent in January. Getting them off the wage bill is nothing to be proud of, it just brings us back to where we were when he started minus a load of cash.
If Russell Slade, or Ken Choo, had made those comments this forum would be going into melt down.
Cos its Neil Warnock people like his brutal honesty
Dont get me wrong we are all guilty of it sometimes but the double standards here are quite shocking
If you compare NW's CV with Russell Slade's or Ken Choo's then you get the reason why Warnock is trusted and can get away with more than those 2 in terms of honest assessment.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:12 pm
polo wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:polo wrote:RV Casual wrote:Not having a go for the sake of it and maybe I'm reading it wrong but he's basically admitting he hadn't looked into our squad properly before signing them.
How he can say he wasn't aware of Declan John is beyond me?
Neither Richardson or Chamakh would have come cheap, trust me when I say we would have had to make it worth their while to come down here even on short term deals.
I reckon they would both be on 20k a week not even taking into consideration a reported signing on fee for Chamakh and agent fee's etc.
Got to have have squandered £750,000 to a £1,000,000 on this pair which could have been spent in January. Getting them off the wage bill is nothing to be proud of, it just brings us back to where we were when he started minus a load of cash.
If Russell Slade, or Ken Choo, had made those comments this forum would be going into melt down.
Cos its Neil Warnock people like his brutal honesty
Dont get me wrong we are all guilty of it sometimes but the double standards here are quite shocking
If you compare NW's CV with Russell Slade's or Ken Choo's then you get the reason why Warnock is trusted and can get away with more than those 2 in terms of honest assessment.
Poppycock
Mourinho's CV is far, far better than Warnocks and if he come out and said he had 2 first team squad players in his squad who he didnt even knew played for the club the press would be all over him.
"Im gettign rid of Mykitharian in January as I shouldnt have signed him in the first place. I didnt realise Juan Mata played for us". Well done Jose. Not.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:19 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:polo wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:polo wrote:RV Casual wrote:Not having a go for the sake of it and maybe I'm reading it wrong but he's basically admitting he hadn't looked into our squad properly before signing them.
How he can say he wasn't aware of Declan John is beyond me?
Neither Richardson or Chamakh would have come cheap, trust me when I say we would have had to make it worth their while to come down here even on short term deals.
I reckon they would both be on 20k a week not even taking into consideration a reported signing on fee for Chamakh and agent fee's etc.
Got to have have squandered £750,000 to a £1,000,000 on this pair which could have been spent in January. Getting them off the wage bill is nothing to be proud of, it just brings us back to where we were when he started minus a load of cash.
If Russell Slade, or Ken Choo, had made those comments this forum would be going into melt down.
Cos its Neil Warnock people like his brutal honesty
Dont get me wrong we are all guilty of it sometimes but the double standards here are quite shocking
If you compare NW's CV with Russell Slade's or Ken Choo's then you get the reason why Warnock is trusted and can get away with more than those 2 in terms of honest assessment.
Poppycock
Mourinho's CV is far, far better than Warnocks and if he come out and said he had 2 first team squad players in his squad who he didnt even knew played for the club the press would be all over him.
"Im gettign rid of Mykitharian in January as I shouldnt have signed him in the first place. I didnt realise Juan Mata played for us". Well done Jose. Not.
All managers make mistakes Sir Alex Ferguson (the greatest CV of all) signed Bebé for £7m who turned out to be a complete dud and he wasn't the only one.
It is reasonable to assume that NW didn't have a great knowledge of the players at our club when he took over. He had a chance to sign some players to boost the squad short term and took it. That term is now coming to an end and he is looking to use resources else where and I interpret his comments today in that context.
Makes perfect logic to me and I trust him to do what's right. Of course you can disagree and throw toys out of the pram but it is hard to understand what good you think you're doing?
Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:46 pm
RV Casual wrote:Not having a go for the sake of it and maybe I'm reading it wrong but he's basically admitting he hadn't looked into our squad properly before signing them.
How he can say he wasn't aware of Declan John is beyond me?
Neither Richardson or Chamakh would have come cheap, trust me when I say we would have had to make it worth their while to come down here even on short term deals.
I reckon they would both be on 20k a week not even taking into consideration a reported signing on fee for Chamakh and agent fee's etc.
Got to have have squandered £750,000 to a £1,000,000 on this pair which could have been spent in January. Getting them off the wage bill is nothing to be proud of, it just brings us back to where we were when he started minus a load of cash.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:12 pm
Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:14 pm
RV Casual wrote:BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
What an absolute load of bollocks that is, who exactly is feeling sorry for the players? What lies did Slade or Trollope tell?
Just because someone admits something doesn't make them immune to criticism. We all want things to work out under Warnock and for him to take us forward, doesn't mean we all have to live with our tongue firmly in his anus.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:22 pm
RV Casual wrote:BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
What an absolute load of bollocks that is, who exactly is feeling sorry for the players? What lies did Slade or Trollope tell?
Just because someone admits something doesn't make them immune to criticism. We all want things to work out under Warnock and for him to take us forward, doesn't mean we all have to live with our tongue firmly in his anus.
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Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:53 pm
SWilliams wrote:My post seems to have been misunderstood by some. I'm not suggesting that there is currently another 'better' manager out there who could do any different. My point related to double standards.
Mistakes are overlooked from Warnock because he is a high profile manager with a degree of previous success. However, similar mistakes made by Slade and he was ripped apart on here.
Warnock has admitted to not knowing some of the squad when he joined. Ny view is that he, as a professional and experienced manager, should have done some more homework before getting the club to sign up more players and then not use those signings. Fortunately they are on short term contracts and 'cheap' in football terms but its still unnecessary expense and quite disrespectful to Declan and Huws.
I also don't think its right to publically criticise the players. What's said in the dressing room should stay there. Having a public go at Richards, Hoillet and Noone is not a way to build team spirit.
Warnock could just have said that we got caught on the break at Barnsley and this needs addressing. No need to mention that players didn't listen to instructions or single out individuals in the press.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:53 pm
Willo Cardiff wrote:RV Casual wrote:BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
What an absolute load of bollocks that is, who exactly is feeling sorry for the players? What lies did Slade or Trollope tell?
Just because someone admits something doesn't make them immune to criticism. We all want things to work out under Warnock and for him to take us forward, doesn't mean we all have to live with our tongue firmly in his anus.
Any other manager out there that'll do a better job? Let us know.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:54 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:RV Casual wrote:BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
What an absolute load of bollocks that is, who exactly is feeling sorry for the players? What lies did Slade or Trollope tell?
Just because someone admits something doesn't make them immune to criticism. We all want things to work out under Warnock and for him to take us forward, doesn't mean we all have to live with our tongue firmly in his anus.
I agree RV Casual.
BrightBlueFuture - Who is actually 'trying to lynch Warnock'?
There's been a couple of pretty valid points about this situation and I don't see or here anybody wanting to lynch the guy.
Maybe he's made a couple of minor mistakes but I and virtually everybody on here seems to have trust in him, doesn't mean he's immune to criticism though.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:40 pm
RV Casual wrote:Willo Cardiff wrote:RV Casual wrote:BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
What an absolute load of bollocks that is, who exactly is feeling sorry for the players? What lies did Slade or Trollope tell?
Just because someone admits something doesn't make them immune to criticism. We all want things to work out under Warnock and for him to take us forward, doesn't mean we all have to live with our tongue firmly in his anus.
Any other manager out there that'll do a better job? Let us know.
Great response![]()
Where have I said that I think there is someone out there that'll do a better job than Warnock exactly?
Even if I thought it, I wouldn't say it, not yet anyway as he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip, does that mean I can't criticize him if he does something I don't think is right? does it f**k.
Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:42 pm
moaning and criticising. This forum would be doomed without it, lighten up it's ChristmasWillo Cardiff wrote:RV Casual wrote:Willo Cardiff wrote:RV Casual wrote:BrightBlueFuture wrote:Wow, talk about people already trying to linch Warnock!
Even if he hadn't recognised John and Huws, who cares now he's come out and been honest about it. Being honest is a superseding strength of a great leader instead of someone who tells half truths. When did Slade ever tell the truth? Trollope? Jesus get a grip, it sounds like the PFA are on here all of this feeling sorry for the players.
What an absolute load of bollocks that is, who exactly is feeling sorry for the players? What lies did Slade or Trollope tell?
Just because someone admits something doesn't make them immune to criticism. We all want things to work out under Warnock and for him to take us forward, doesn't mean we all have to live with our tongue firmly in his anus.
Any other manager out there that'll do a better job? Let us know.
Great response![]()
Where have I said that I think there is someone out there that'll do a better job than Warnock exactly?
Even if I thought it, I wouldn't say it, not yet anyway as he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip, does that mean I can't criticize him if he does something I don't think is right? does it f**k.