" What A Difference Neil Warnock Has Made "

" What A Difference Neil Warnock Has Made "


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After the end of the game today NW has had the same number of games in charge of the team as PT, but what a difference he has made to the performance of the team.

In the first 11 games this season the team took just 8 of the 33 points available. In the 11 games since NW took over the team has won 15 of the 33 points available.

In more basic terms under PT the team scored just 7 goals in the first 11 games whilst conceding 19. In 11 games under NW we have scored 16 goals whilst conceding 17.

NW is fuming tonight after a poor defensive performance today but over just 11 games the signs are clear that he is transforming our season.

Bring on January and the rest of the season and I really believe he will get us safe then bring on next season.

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After the end of the game today NW has had the same number of games in charge of the team as PT, but what a difference he has made to the performance of the team.

In the first 11 games this season the team took just 8 of the 33 points available. In the 11 games since NW took over the team has won 15 of the 33 points available.

In more basic terms under PT the team scored just 7 goals in the first 11 games whilst conceding 19. In 11 games under NW we have scored 16 goals whilst conceding 17.

NW is fuming tonight after a poor defensive performance today but over just 11 games the signs are clear that he is transforming our season.

Bring on January and the rest of the season and I really believe he will get us safe then bring on next season.

That is the way I see it unfortunately NW has some right wankers in his squad who are hampering his efforts. I hope to goodness he can move some of these toss pots out come January. I can't think of anyone who I would be disappointed to lose apart from Bamba and maybe Hoillet. As the rest there is the door......

Refreshing change it is.

I did not see any improvement when Ole came in. Perhaps the worse manager we have ever had.

In fairness Slade was an improvement over Ole but was never going to get us far.

Trollope I feel edged it on Ole but was a disaster.

Warnock has inherited a problem caused by 3 previous managers and I pray he pulls it off.

After the end of the game today NW has had the same number of games in charge of the team as PT, but what a difference he has made to the performance of the team.

In the first 11 games this season the team took just 8 of the 33 points available. In the 11 games since NW took over the team has won 15 of the 33 points available.

In more basic terms under PT the team scored just 7 goals in the first 11 games whilst conceding 19. In 11 games under NW we have scored 16 goals whilst conceding 17.


NW is fuming tonight after a poor defensive performance today but over just 11 games the signs are clear that he is transforming our season.

Bring on January and the rest of the season and I really believe he will get us safe then bring on next season.

That is the way I see it unfortunately NW has some right wankers in his squad who are hampering his efforts. I hope to goodness he can move some of these toss pots out come January. I can't think of anyone who I would be disappointed to lose apart from Bamba and maybe Hoillet. As the rest there is the door......

Hopefully the toss pot in goals in first for the chop Tony. Whittingham has to stay in my opinion, and beyond this season, irreplaceable in !y opinion.

Refreshing change it is.

I did not see any improvement when Ole came in. Perhaps the worse manager we have ever had.

In fairness Slade was an improvement over Ole but was never going to get us far.

Trollope I feel edged it on Ole but was a disaster.

Warnock has inherited a problem caused by 3 previous managers and I pray he pulls it off.

Ian if NW had the squad slap head Slade had we would have made the playoffs in either season.

When he said he couldn't wait until January in his post match interview it left me convinced he knows "exactly" what he is going to do.

I can't wait for the 2nd half of the season.

After the end of the game today NW has had the same number of games in charge of the team as PT, but what a difference he has made to the performance of the team.

In the first 11 games this season the team took just 8 of the 33 points available. In the 11 games since NW took over the team has won 15 of the 33 points available.

In more basic terms under PT the team scored just 7 goals in the first 11 games whilst conceding 19. In 11 games under NW we have scored 16 goals whilst conceding 17.

NW is fuming tonight after a poor defensive performance today but over just 11 games the signs are clear that he is transforming our season.

Bring on January and the rest of the season and I really believe he will get us safe then bring on next season.

Gary, Neil Warnock is the classiest manager (in working terms) we've had at City for a long time!

After the end of the game today NW has had the same number of games in charge of the team as PT, but what a difference he has made to the performance of the team.

In the first 11 games this season the team took just 8 of the 33 points available. In the 11 games since NW took over the team has won 15 of the 33 points available.

In more basic terms under PT the team scored just 7 goals in the first 11 games whilst conceding 19. In 11 games under NW we have scored 16 goals whilst conceding 17.

NW is fuming tonight after a poor defensive performance today but over just 11 games the signs are clear that he is transforming our season.

Bring on January and the rest of the season and I really believe he will get us safe then bring on next season.

Gary, Neil Warnock is the classiest manager (in working terms) we've had at City for a long time!

Yep, loved his team formation today 4-2-4 going forward and 6-0-4 going backwards. we will always ship goals against nippy little teams like Barnsley today

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Two good signings so far two crap? Lost at home to Wigan and Barnsley not great,hopefully things will improve next year, then Bellers will take over when we get back to Premiership?

Re the comment on Warnocks signings with 2 good 2 not. As some perspective. Richardson and chanakh are both on short contracts. Richardson has been selected in most match day squads. Granted not been brilliant but both have good pedigree. Every signing is a risk but neither have been catastrophic financially. Both have had a chance and both can be removed with no additional costs. Compare that to the multitude of other signings by previous managers who came in. Never so much as made the bench. All on a fair whack of cash. And most of whom paid off, given away for free or we took a massive loss on transfer fees. If that's a Neil Warnock failure compared to bamba and hoilett being successes. Then I'm perfectly happy.

Two good signings so far two crap? Lost at home to Wigan and Barnsley not great,hopefully things will improve next year, then Bellers will take over when we get back to Premiership?

in all fairness mate our results have improved a lot . the signings. i think he did well to get what he got , its not like he had many choices 4 players who nobody else wanted or nothing

Re the comment on Warnocks signings with 2 good 2 not. As some perspective. Richardson and chanakh are both on short contracts. Richardson has been selected in most match day squads. Granted not been brilliant but both have good pedigree. Every signing is a risk but neither have been catastrophic financially. Both have had a chance and both can be removed with no additional costs. Compare that to the multitude of other signings by previous managers who came in. Never so much as made the bench. All on a fair whack of cash. And most of whom paid off, given away for free or we took a massive loss on transfer fees. If that's a Neil Warnock failure compared to bamba and hoilett being successes. Then I'm perfectly happy.

Excellent point. And tbh Richardson done well when came on at forest also think he would do ok at full back although he has tend to be playing in midfield for us. I love peltier but not on left, surely Richardson or Bennett more suitable

Its just honesty he has brought. He has given us (fans) credit by not sugar coating or lying to us.

Yesterday is on him. We either never set up for there counter attacks at set plays or the players never followed instructions. If its the later then heads need to roll or be sold.

I believe he knows what he is doing and i am happy just to follow that, which is not what can be said of the last three managers.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I dont see how the fact we only got 8 points in the first 11 games is relevant mate to be honest.

I dont think its harsh, with our squad we should never have lost to both Wigan and Barnsley at home and should have picked up at least another point on the road, at the very least we are 4 points behind where we should be in my opinion.

The next 3 games are huge.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

We were of course bottom of the league when NW took over so to get 15 points from 11 games is a fantastic turnaround.

Of course having 6 more points would have given us a points per game average higher than the season we won the league.

We have a weak and unbalanced squad, which is why we were bottom of the league 11 games ago. Now we have a top manager at this level and he has worked wonders to get us where we are today.

But as always you can't please all of the people all of the time.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

We were of course bottom of the league when NW took over so to get 15 points from 11 games is a fantastic turnaround.

Of course having 6 more points would have given us a points per game average higher than the season we won the league.

We have a weak and unbalanced squad, which is why we were bottom of the league 11 games ago. Now we have a top manager at this level and he has worked wonders to get us where we are today.

But as always you can't please all of the people all of the time.

A weak and unbalanced squad that finished 8th last season and has arguably been strengthened and is currently on its way to exactly the same place it was when Trollppe was sacked.

But as always some people some people cant see the wood for the tree's and are blinkered by 'blood and thunder rhetoric'.

Lets see where we are after the Villa game and review it again.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

We were of course bottom of the league when NW took over so to get 15 points from 11 games is a fantastic turnaround.

Of course having 6 more points would have given us a points per game average higher than the season we won the league.

We have a weak and unbalanced squad, which is why we were bottom of the league 11 games ago. Now we have a top manager at this level and he has worked wonders to get us where we are today.

But as always you can't please all of the people all of the time.

By the way, we were not bottom of the league.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I dont see how the fact we only got 8 points in the first 11 games is relevant mate to be honest.

I dont think its harsh, with our squad we should never have lost to both Wigan and Barnsley at home and should have picked up at least another point on the road, at the very least we are 4 points behind where we should be in my opinion.

The next 3 games are huge.

the relevance is that he arrived at a club shot of confidence.nearly bottom. a squad of players more or less set in stone with no ability to loan in or out or buy or sell.he could only sign players that nobody else wanted
you dont think that how clubs treat a game against you often depends on how good they view you?

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I dont see how the fact we only got 8 points in the first 11 games is relevant mate to be honest.

I dont think its harsh, with our squad we should never have lost to both Wigan and Barnsley at home and should have picked up at least another point on the road, at the very least we are 4 points behind where we should be in my opinion.

The next 3 games are huge.

the relevance is that he arrived at a club shot of confidence.nearly bottom. a squad of players more or less set in stone with no ability to loan in or out or buy or sell.he could only sign players that nobody else wanted
you dont think that how clubs treat a game against you often depends on how good they view you?

I dont see it like that sorry mate, he arrived to a squad short on confidence yeah I accept that, but it was a squad that finished 8th the season before with some good quality in it. We had just signed Joe Bennett and Ricky Lambert, he was also able to bring in Bamba and Holiett, Chamakh (sp) and Richardson, you could argur that made us stronger than the season before.

We have not done enough so far and hes underachieved. As I said we should be 6 points better off now going into these 3 games.

If we are in the bottom 3 come 5pm on January 2nd we will be exactly where we were when he took over, that would make his first 3 months in charge a failure surely?

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I dont see how the fact we only got 8 points in the first 11 games is relevant mate to be honest.

I dont think its harsh, with our squad we should never have lost to both Wigan and Barnsley at home and should have picked up at least another point on the road, at the very least we are 4 points behind where we should be in my opinion.

The next 3 games are huge.

the relevance is that he arrived at a club shot of confidence.nearly bottom. a squad of players more or less set in stone with no ability to loan in or out or buy or sell.he could only sign players that nobody else wanted
you dont think that how clubs treat a game against you often depends on how good they view you?

I dont see it like that sorry mate, he arrived to a squad short on confidence yeah I accept that, but it was a squad that finished 8th the season before with some good quality in it. We had just signed Joe Bennett and Ricky Lambert, he was also able to bring in Bamba and Holiett, Chamakh (sp) and Richardson, you could argur that made us stronger than the season before.

We have not done enough so far and hes underachieved. As I said we should be 6 points better off now going into these 3 games.

If we are in the bottom 3 come 5pm on January 2nd we will be exactly where we were when he took over, that would make his first 3 months in charge a failure surely?

the foundatins of last season were on goals scored by strikers we no longer have.
and of course football history tells us year in year out teams do not often have dramatic changes in form mid season, if they did there would be less made of leicsters great escape or palaces rise to play offs. rare

anyone that expected more than the 15pts was expecting too much

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I dont see how the fact we only got 8 points in the first 11 games is relevant mate to be honest.

I dont think its harsh, with our squad we should never have lost to both Wigan and Barnsley at home and should have picked up at least another point on the road, at the very least we are 4 points behind where we should be in my opinion.

The next 3 games are huge.

the relevance is that he arrived at a club shot of confidence.nearly bottom. a squad of players more or less set in stone with no ability to loan in or out or buy or sell.he could only sign players that nobody else wanted
you dont think that how clubs treat a game against you often depends on how good they view you?

I dont see it like that sorry mate, he arrived to a squad short on confidence yeah I accept that, but it was a squad that finished 8th the season before with some good quality in it. We had just signed Joe Bennett and Ricky Lambert, he was also able to bring in Bamba and Holiett, Chamakh (sp) and Richardson, you could argur that made us stronger than the season before.

We have not done enough so far and hes underachieved. As I said we should be 6 points better off now going into these 3 games.

If we are in the bottom 3 come 5pm on January 2nd we will be exactly where we were when he took over, that would make his first 3 months in charge a failure surely?

the foundatins of last season were on goals scored by strikers we no longer have.
and of course football history tells us year in year out teams do not often have dramatic changes in form mid season, if they did there would be less made of leicsters great escape or palaces rise to play offs. rare

anyone that expected more than the 15pts was expecting too much

Foundations of last season based on goals scored by strikers we no longer have?

Theres no truth in that whatsoever sorry mate.

Mason was sold to Wolves in the January as was Kenwyne Jones to Al Jazira.

Our top scorer last season Pilkington is still with us as is joint 2nd top scorer Whittingham along with joint 3rd top scorers Noone and Immers.

This season we have gained Lambert and Fred so in terms of strikers we are actualy stronger than the team that finished 8th last year.

Simple question for you mate, if we are in the bottom 3 come 5pm on January 2nd would you agree that Neil Warnocks first 3 months in charge have been a failure.

I will judge what difference Warnock has made after the next 3 games at which point I think the difference he has made will diddly f*cking squat.

The pressure that we have put on ourselves after yesterday is astronomical.

We need 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games, failure to achieve this will almost certainly see us fall back into the relegation zone and therefore no better off than when Trollope was sacked.

Given the squad we had and the players Warnock has bought in we have failed, we should be 5-6 points better off at least. this is almost the same squad that finished 8th last season under Slade, in fact it is arguably stronger with the acquisitions of Bennett, Lambert, Hoilett and Bamba.

The Brentford game is huge, lose that and we are in the shit, lose the other 2 and I would be amazed how even the most ardent Warnock fans could say his first 3 months in charge have been anything other than a failure.

I'm fed up of the excuses to be honest, if we don't get 3/4 point's minimum from the next 3 games then his position should be under threat, same as it would be for anyone else.

bit harsh. 6pts more would have meant 21 points from his 11 games {top 3 form }after only getting 8pts in the first 11 games. asking too much mate.

I dont see how the fact we only got 8 points in the first 11 games is relevant mate to be honest.

I dont think its harsh, with our squad we should never have lost to both Wigan and Barnsley at home and should have picked up at least another point on the road, at the very least we are 4 points behind where we should be in my opinion.

The next 3 games are huge.

the relevance is that he arrived at a club shot of confidence.nearly bottom. a squad of players more or less set in stone with no ability to loan in or out or buy or sell.he could only sign players that nobody else wanted
you dont think that how clubs treat a game against you often depends on how good they view you?

I dont see it like that sorry mate, he arrived to a squad short on confidence yeah I accept that, but it was a squad that finished 8th the season before with some good quality in it. We had just signed Joe Bennett and Ricky Lambert, he was also able to bring in Bamba and Holiett, Chamakh (sp) and Richardson, you could argur that made us stronger than the season before.

We have not done enough so far and hes underachieved. As I said we should be 6 points better off now going into these 3 games.

If we are in the bottom 3 come 5pm on January 2nd we will be exactly where we were when he took over, that would make his first 3 months in charge a failure surely?

the foundatins of last season were on goals scored by strikers we no longer have.
and of course football history tells us year in year out teams do not often have dramatic changes in form mid season, if they did there would be less made of leicsters great escape or palaces rise to play offs. rare

anyone that expected more than the 15pts was expecting too much

Foundations of last season based on goals scored by strikers we no longer have?

Theres no truth in that whatsoever sorry mate.

Mason was sold to Wolves in the January as was Kenwyne Jones to Al Jazira.

Our top scorer last season Pilkington is still with us as is joint 2nd top scorer Whittingham along with joint 3rd top scorers Noone and Immers.

This season we have gained Lambert and Fred so in terms of strikers we are actualy stronger than the team that finished 8th last year.

Simple question for you mate, if we are in the bottom 3 come 5pm on January 2nd would you agree that Neil Warnocks first 3 months in charge have been a failure.

relegation will be a failure! anything inbetween doesn't matter considering the state we were in when he took over.

by foundations i mean start.or early season.
only 11 games in and all those cliches about still a hundred points to play for and 3/4 wins and we catch the play offs.reality is very very few sides manage to transform themselves after a poor first quarter even though most will change their manager and bring in new players be it loans or buys.
relevance of the first 11 games. since it been the championship 28 teams have managed 8pts or less in 11. preston got up to 11th last year the other 27 finished bottom half

my answer. when NW came here all i cared about was staying up even if it be goal difference on the very last day. 15pts from the next 11 games and again the 11 after will do that. how they come i dont much care.

but everyone has different expectations

by foundations i mean start.or early season.
only 11 games in and all those cliches about still a hundred points to play for and 3/4 wins and we catch the play offs.reality is very very few sides manage to transform themselves after a poor first quarter even though most will change their manager and bring in new players be it loans or buys.
relevance of the first 11 games. since it been the championship 28 teams have managed 8pts or less in 11. preston got up to 11th last year the other 27 finished bottom half

my answer. when NW came here all i cared about was staying up even if it be goal difference on the very last day. 15pts from the next 11 games and again the 11 after will do that. how they come i dont much care.

but everyone has different expectations

Correct mate, we all have different expectations, basically sums it up nicely.

Enjoyed debating it with you, all the best

I see your point RV but I won't really judge results until six or seven games after he has brought n and got rid of players in the January window.

What's more important to me is being in the Championship at the end of the season and getting a crack at the playoffs next season with a couple more windows.

Maybe I am blinkered buy Warnock reminds me of Eddie May and Francis Burrows. It might be image and hot air but I am buying it.

The difference is the team seem to be trying to win , Gunnerson is great again so is whittingham both players have found a form we havent seen in a while under warnock the team are trying and now I believe we will stay up.

Under Trollop we were doomed the team didnt even look interested a terrible display and league 1 was going to happen at the bottom of the table and embarrasing so there is a massive differenvce in my view plus the supporters are better that is why I was gutted on saturday when we scored the second and third goal the atmosphere was fantastic if we got a point that we deserved at least I think we wouldnt be so angry now.

We would have still wanted the changes in the back but you have to say well done to the midfield and forwards for that comeback even though it was short lived but Gunnerson was again great on saturday

The difference is the team seem to be trying to win , Gunnerson is great again so is whittingham both players have found a form we havent seen in a while under warnock the team are trying and now I believe we will stay up.

Under Trollop we were doomed the team didnt even look interested a terrible display and league 1 was going to happen at the bottom of the table and embarrasing so there is a massive differenvce in my view plus the supporters are better that is why I was gutted on saturday when we scored the second and third goal the atmosphere was fantastic if we got a point that we deserved at least I think we wouldnt be so angry now.

We would have still wanted the changes in the back but you have to say well done to the midfield and forwards for that comeback even though it was short lived but Gunnerson was again great on saturday

your correct.
it really is very fine margins sometimes, Lambert scores that late chance we probably get 3pts and the board would be full of optomistic predictions of play offs and how much fight and guts our team showed.