Tax man vs the football supporter

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

Hmmmmm not sure, if you don't pay your taxes the tax man comes knocking simple as that.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

Hmmmmm not sure, if you don't pay your taxes the tax man comes knocking simple as that.

That's the point whose fault is that?

Remember that if a club owes the taxman a hefty sum then they more than likely will owe other creditors aswell. Our friends out west owed plenty of local businesses a tidy sum, causing some to go under.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

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This is fanciful at best and unworkable.A football club is like any other business and any dispensation by the taxman over a football club would rightly be followed by every business in the country demanding the same preferential treatment.Of course we can all dream.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

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This is fanciful at best and unworkable.A football club is like any other business and any dispensation by the taxman over a football club would rightly be followed by every business in the country demanding the same preferential treatment.Of course we can all dream.

Rubbish. A football business is like no othr business. Why not ask those who run a football club.

Bit of a pedantic shit are you not.

You can count on one hand the clubs that have been liquidated from the football league.

Fuss over nothing but then I'd come to expect nothing less from the OP

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

i think football clubs are treated differently by HMRC. enterprise act 2002.
my biggest gripe is how clubs have points deductions for entering admin,those responsible for ending up in admin have often left as have many players whose wages contributed to the situ. leaving the blameless fans and new board/owner to suck up the punishment.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

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This is fanciful at best and unworkable.A football club is like any other business and any dispensation by the taxman over a football club would rightly be followed by every business in the country demanding the same preferential treatment.Of course we can all dream.

Rubbish. A football business is like no othr business. Why not ask those who run a football club.

Bit of a pedantic shit are you not.

Oh dear another word you need to lookup the meaning of.Of course you could always try banning me again for not agreeing with you,though,your last attempt lasted about 7mins if I remember correctly.

Now to the debate at hand.Football Clubs are businesses and like it or not are sometimes run well and some times not.Like all businesses they are subject to the same taxation which is only fair and is the only way any system can operate.To make a special case for some and not others is now and always will be unworkable as their is no justification for it.12,000 fans crying their eyes out is fanciful and not a valid reason.I'll illustrate this with the Woolworths case.A lot of people lost work when they went and alot more were upset when that Iconic chain disappeared,also,this week London Welsh Rugby announced it was going into liquidation.A fact that will hardly raise a tear on this forum as its a poxy egg chasing club.But under your theory they too could argue to be a special case.Were you up in arms when Woolies went bust,do you give a flying feck about that great old club that has at least as much history and tradition as CCFC albeit in another sport.NO,its because your a football fan not a rugby fan or I suspect a great lover of Woolies although you may have thought for a second,theres a shame.

When it comes to fair taxation though it always reminds me of something I heard years ago but never got round to reading his book.A pro gambler(who's name escapes me at the moment)come to the attention of the taxman as he was going through a purple patch in his career and making a load of money and as he was also quite a celeb at the time(1960's).As he was making so much money a junior tax officer though it was only fair that he should pay some tax on his earnings after all he was a professional.But as in bussiness if you pay tax on your earnings you can also expect to claim against your operating losses too. It was also pointed out that every man and woman in the country would be able claim their gambleing losses against their tax bill.Needless to say that pro-gambler never heard from the taxman again and I believe this story illustrates the fanciful nature of your original post.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

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This is fanciful at best and unworkable.A football club is like any other business and any dispensation by the taxman over a football club would rightly be followed by every business in the country demanding the same preferential treatment.Of course we can all dream.

Rubbish. A football business is like no othr business. Why not ask those who run a football club.

Bit of a pedantic shit are you not.

Oh dear another word you need to lookup the meaning of.Of course you could always try banning me again for not agreeing with you,though,your last attempt lasted about 7mins if I remember correctly.

Now to the debate at hand.Football Clubs are businesses and like it or not are sometimes run well and some times not.Like all businesses they are subject to the same taxation which is only fair and is the only way any system can operate.To make a special case for some and not others is now and always will be unworkable as their is no justification for it.12,000 fans crying their eyes out is fanciful and not a valid reason.I'll illustrate this with the Woolworths case.A lot of people lost work when they went and alot more were upset when that Iconic chain disappeared,also,this week London Welsh Rugby announced it was going into liquidation.A fact that will hardly raise a tear on this forum as its a poxy egg chasing club.But under your theory they too could argue to be a special case.Were you up in arms when Woolies went bust,do you give a flying feck about that great old club that has at least as much history and tradition as CCFC albeit in another sport.NO,its because your a football fan not a rugby fan or I suspect a great lover of Woolies although you may have thought for a second,theres a shame.

When it comes to fair taxation though it always reminds me of something I heard years ago but never got round to reading his book.A pro gambler(who's name escapes me at the moment)come to the attention of the taxman as he was going through a purple patch in his career and making a load of money and as he was also quite a celeb at the time(1960's).As he was making so much money a junior tax officer though it was only fair that he should pay some tax on his earnings after all he was a professional.But as in bussiness if you pay tax on your earnings you can also expect to claim against your operating losses too. It was also pointed out that every man and woman in the country would be able claim their gambleing losses against their tax bill.Needless to say that pro-gambler never heard from the taxman again and I believe this story illustrates the fanciful nature of your original post.

Yes 7 minutes but how quick were you to go crying on that failed mb?

You miss the point I'm making here. A football club is part of its community and I believe it should have special treatment. 12,000 supporters missing out because of a few rogues just does not fit with me. Woolworth and the rest of them can't compare to a football club as the "customers" are special at the FC. A different loyalty compared to the Wolly guy. At least the Wolly can go some where else unlike the true football fan.

Regarding London Welsh well do they have 12,000 followers? I doubt it. For me is a sporting subject is supported then special privileges should be given. Perhaps charity status. Any thing to help them survive instead of being abused by rogue owners.

I understand your point completely but all I'm saying is in the real world your notions are fanciful and completely unworkable.


Football is only special to the people that follow it.

I work for my father's business, it's a family businesscan I go to the taxman and ask to be treated differently to all other businesses because I was born into it and had no choice?

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

i think football clubs are treated differently by HMRC. enterprise act 2002.
my biggest gripe is how clubs have points deductions for entering admin,those responsible for ending up in admin have often left as have many players whose wages contributed to the situ. leaving the blameless fans and new board/owner to suck up the punishment.

interesting regarding the Enterprise Act 2002.

Your gripeis what I am getting at. Let's be honest here clubs go into admin/liquidation thanks to the player wages and owners signing these contracts. Of course none payment of taxes is the responsibiity of the owners. When taxes are not paid then the taxman should go after the owners and not the club itself. That is my opinion.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

i think football clubs are treated differently by HMRC. enterprise act 2002.
my biggest gripe is how clubs have points deductions for entering admin,those responsible for ending up in admin have often left as have many players whose wages contributed to the situ. leaving the blameless fans and new board/owner to suck up the punishment.

interesting regarding the Enterprise Act 2002.

Your gripeis what I am getting at. Let's be honest here clubs go into admin/liquidation thanks to the player wages and owners signing these contracts. Of course none payment of taxes is the responsibiity of the owners. When taxes are not paid then the taxman should go after the owners and not the club itself. That is my opinion.

So what your saying now is all football clubs should have their Ltd status removed.At the moment the responsibility for tax falls to the club.A sole proprietor however is responsible for everything.Good luck with that crusade.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

i think football clubs are treated differently by HMRC. enterprise act 2002.
my biggest gripe is how clubs have points deductions for entering admin,those responsible for ending up in admin have often left as have many players whose wages contributed to the situ. leaving the blameless fans and new board/owner to suck up the punishment.

interesting regarding the Enterprise Act 2002.

Your gripeis what I am getting at. Let's be honest here clubs go into admin/liquidation thanks to the player wages and owners signing these contracts. Of course none payment of taxes is the responsibiity of the owners. When taxes are not paid then the taxman should go after the owners and not the club itself. That is my opinion.

So what your saying now is all football clubs should have their Ltd status removed.At the moment the responsibility for tax falls to the club.A sole proprietor however is responsible for everything.Good luck with that crusade.

Yes I am.

I have no intention of going on a crusade.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

i think football clubs are treated differently by HMRC. enterprise act 2002.
my biggest gripe is how clubs have points deductions for entering admin,those responsible for ending up in admin have often left as have many players whose wages contributed to the situ. leaving the blameless fans and new board/owner to suck up the punishment.

interesting regarding the Enterprise Act 2002.

Your gripeis what I am getting at. Let's be honest here clubs go into admin/liquidation thanks to the player wages and owners signing these contracts. Of course none payment of taxes is the responsibiity of the owners. When taxes are not paid then the taxman should go after the owners and not the club itself. That is my opinion.

So what your saying now is all football clubs should have their Ltd status removed.At the moment the responsibility for tax falls to the club.A sole proprietor however is responsible for everything.Good luck with that crusade.

Yes I am.

I have no intention of going on a crusade.

Well of course this is possible though your chances of winning the Euro millions is greater than finding someone idiot enough to take on a football club under those conditions.Not to mention that football would cease to exist as we know it overnight.

I work for my father's business, it's a family businesscan I go to the taxman and ask to be treated differently to all other businesses because I was born into it and had no choice?

Nope...is your business part of the community like a football club?

I had this discussion when we first moved into the CCS with the guy next to me who had his own business. He thought the same as you. He had a sweet business and always brought in some for me. Got a sweet tooth you see so decided not to take the discussion further.

As many of us know the tax man wanted to shut down our club not long ago.

Now if that would have happened that would have been 12,000 fans denied their weekend fix. I don't want to talk about the glory seekers. So that's 12,000 fans having their passion taken away through no fault of their own. To me that is just not right.

The footballl business is like no other business. The supporters, customers to some ignorant people, are loyal to the club unlike your other businesses where their customers would not give a hoot if they went out of business as they would simple move onto another store. For proper football fans its the club they chose or nothing. So it it right the tax man should take away their club because of bad owners?

My answer to that is no. Instead of liquidating the club the tax man should be forced to sell the club for what they are owed. To make it easier the tax man should have the power to nullify players contracts to make the sale more appeasing to a buyer. Few other things I can think off as well just to keep the club alive.

i think football clubs are treated differently by HMRC. enterprise act 2002.
my biggest gripe is how clubs have points deductions for entering admin,those responsible for ending up in admin have often left as have many players whose wages contributed to the situ. leaving the blameless fans and new board/owner to suck up the punishment.

interesting regarding the Enterprise Act 2002.

Your gripeis what I am getting at. Let's be honest here clubs go into admin/liquidation thanks to the player wages and owners signing these contracts. Of course none payment of taxes is the responsibiity of the owners. When taxes are not paid then the taxman should go after the owners and not the club itself. That is my opinion.

So what your saying now is all football clubs should have their Ltd status removed.At the moment the responsibility for tax falls to the club.A sole proprietor however is responsible for everything.Good luck with that crusade.

Yes I am.

I have no intention of going on a crusade.

Well of course this is possible though your chances of winning the Euro millions is greater than finding someone idiot enough to take on a football club under those conditions.Not to mention that football would cease to exist as we know it overnight.

Why would it?

I work for my father's business, it's a family businesscan I go to the taxman and ask to be treated differently to all other businesses because I was born into it and had no choice?

Nope...is your business part of the community like a football club?

I had this discussion when we first moved into the CCS with the guy next to me who had his own business. He thought the same as you. He had a sweet business and always brought in some for me. Got a sweet tooth you see so decided not to take the discussion further.

Lol putting the sweets aside I could argue the business is part of the community employing many in the local area. Cardiff City unfortunately these days is far from the local community club it was.

And no we don't do sweets sorry.