' Legalise or not ? '

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

Not another load of bollocks by the idiots at the Welsh Assembly

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

Not another load of bollocks by the idiots at the Welsh Assembly

Actually I think it was a police chief mate

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

Not another load of bollocks by the idiots at the Welsh Assembly

Actually I think it was a police chief mate

f*cking hell mate,any links?

Looked for it on BBC wales online after news but no link mate

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

Not another load of bollocks by the idiots at the Welsh Assembly

Actually I think it was a police chief mate

you didnt drop off and then wake in the middle of an episode of the wire by any chance.was the cop named Colvin?

I don't agree with "legalising all drugs" that's a bit much. However, I do support a more liberal view towards the way they should control them.

First and foremost they should legalise cannabis - I've never known anyone to turn down weed because they were worried about it being illegal - shock horror - prohibition doesn't work, it's a dated method of policing drugs and countries like The Netherlands and Germany are recognising this. There are far more harmful pharmaceuticals available through your GP. But for me the most beneficial side of this is the avoidance of unnecessary criminalising of good, harmless people.

Secondly with a recreational drug like Ecstasy - rather than prohibiting it and letting the users find out which ones are poisonous, I think the government could do their part in providing information gathered on tests from the pills that they cease. I.E "don't take these ones they may kill you but these ones are clean". It may sound like their advocating taking them, but in fact they'll actually be saving the lives of those who will take them regardless. Again prohibition doesn't work.

As far as drugs such as crack and heroine that are dangerous in any form pure or not, they should provide information about how to do it as safely as possible (which they already do) but I don't think supplying places for them to jack up will prevent or cure any issues.

I've read that you can send your drugs to the Welsh Government an they can test it for you to tell you what exactly is in it and I think this is a huge step forward in the mindset toward actually keeping users safe, not just secluding and then criminalising them because it's a failing system.

If it reduces users and protects people im all for it. I would need to see some good figures to back all of this up. Surely it will have the side effect of reducing crime too?

I would legalise it and tax it to pay for centre so and drug programme s the war on drugs has failed

I would legalise it and tax it to pay for centre so and drug programme s the war on drugs has failed

I think along similar lines.The biggest argument for legalising drugs is that fact it would then take the criminals out of the loop and as you say don't give it away but used the money raised to fund programmes and educate people.

I would legalise it and tax it to pay for centre so and drug programme s the war on drugs has failed

I think along similar lines.The biggest argument for legalising drugs is that fact it would then take the criminals out of the loop and as you say don't give it away but used the money raised to fund programmes and educate people.

Bloody hell we agree on something

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Are you joking? I'm assuming you don't allow your staff to drink alcohol at work, and they're certainly not allowed to drink & drive. Can't believe I'm pointing this out

It would seriously hit the underworld that's for sure. But it would just ruin the weak and those that are suffering mental illness. If there was more help for those that go to get proper treatment then that would be a step in the right direction. But if the Liberal types take over then it would just be a free for all.

Homeless i/v drug users reuse, share & discard needles, preventing used needles from being in the public`s environment makes me lean towards public shooting galleries which would prevent many diseases e.g HIV, Hepatitis spreading into the non i/v drug using society. Also pop up drug testing units as used in Holland could help weekend warriors judge their sniff, pills or whatever they buy off the black market. As far as Cannabis is concerned it should be legalised with a four plant limit for homegrown. You may say I`m liberal but drug use will always be rife in South Wales so if a few of these options were brought into effect,however much cost to the tax payer, if it prevents several fatalities a year then it would be worth it. Any junkie who shares his needles could get a spray tan and clean clothes and get lucky with a young lady on a Friday night and as easy as that, herself and her future sexual partners all carry HIV, that`s why I think of public shooting galleries as a good thing, but on the flip side who would want to live near one?

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They will never, ever legalize drugs because it will deprive the Government of millions upon millions in revenue.

As for who will pay for the drop in centres, how about a fraction from the funds that are used to provide drug squads throughout the country?

People seem to think drug addiction would soar if it was made legal. However there is no evidence that this would be the case.

Drug manufacturing would be regulated, meaning deaths caused by overdoses from poorly manufactured batches (Leah Betts) would stop.

Better help, advice and support would become available, as others have mentioned.

£millions would be freed to fund efforts to prevent real crime.

Criminals would be taken out of the loop as profits in dealing would fall dramatically.

I personally fail to see one positive in keeping drugs illegal other than it rakes in more money for Governments. Things like heroin and crack are horrible substances but they are far better monitored in an open environment than they are left in the hands of greedy scumbags who have no care or compassion for those who are addicts.

It would seriously hit the underworld that's for sure. But it would just ruin the weak and those that are suffering mental illness. If there was more help for those that go to get proper treatment then that would be a step in the right direction. But if the Liberal types take over then it would just be a free for all.

Duck the weak. to many liberal softies giving them every hand up they can. time these losers learn to stand on they own two feet and think and act For themselves.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case.

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

Not another load of bollocks by the idiots at the Welsh Assembly

Actually I think it was a police chief mate

you didnt drop off and then wake in the middle of an episode of the wire by any chance.was the cop named Colvin?[/A win-win?
It has led the police and crime commissioner for north Wales to suggest openly that "fix rooms" might be part of that answer.
"What we need to have is heroin-assisted treatment - which is prescribed heroin," said Arfon Jones.
"It will reduce crime. It will do away with the litter problem of needles, because you'll provide them with needles in the fix room, they will inject there.
"It's obviously more healthy for those addicted to the drugs. I think it's a win-win."
The commissioner recently came under fire after arguing that cannabis should be legalised for medical use.
No mate I didn't

As someone who lost a best friend to drugs in 2003 people find it hard when, despite my anti-drugs stance, I believe the war on drugs has completely failed and that leagalising can indeed make it safer, easier for people to get help and reduce crime associated with drugs - even reduce the number of addicts.

I do understand that it is a hard mentality for people to get their heads around... leagalising it is in some way endorsing or legitimizing drug taking... I get that is a problem for some people and sympathise with that attitude... but surely we need to do something different otherwise we will become like some inner-city areas of America.. check out the latest BBC World News documentary on drugs in the US... absolutely startling and heartbreaking. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37992809

On the Welsh news tonight there are calls to legalise All drugs one of the suggestions is a drop in centre so people can sit in and administer heroin or any drug they wish

I personally hold views against this like who is going to pay for these drop in centres to be built

I have many other reservations what do others think opinions please

To play devils advocate here... what is the cost to society in NOT doing this?

The investment into the centres and support that they can provide may in fact pay for themselves as the policing and crime related to drugs may reduce.

Just saying... not sure the analysis has been done but there is also a 'cost of inaction' which may be greater than the cost of this intervention.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case.

Fair point, and yes there would be lots to debate I'm sure.

but there is also medication issued from the gp that it is strongly advised (and banned in many professions) to work whilst taking them? Like anti depressants and strong painkillers.

Cannabis taken at the correct dosage is a powerful medicine and variants like cbd oil and have been found to treat mental disorders and cancer with no phycoactive effect.

The problem is, as with literally anything it can be abused but there's far more chance of people understanding how to use it if it's made legal.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

It's no different from staff having al alcohol during a break and should be a sacking offence but it should be legalised the war on drugs has been a massive con for decades.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.[/quote]
They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case. [/quote]


Fair point, and yes there would be lots to debate I'm sure.

but there is also medication issued from the gp that it is strongly advised (and banned in many professions) to work whilst taking them? Like anti depressants and strong painkillers.

Cannabis taken at the correct dosage is a powerful medicine and variants like cbd oil and have been found to treat mental disorders and cancer with no phycoactive effect.

The problem is, as with literally anything it can be abused but there's far more chance of people understanding how to use it if it's made legal.[/quote]
Sensible post, an aldult debate on the matter is long overdue. There is so much misinformation out there and too many illinformed crackpots saying all drugs are evil while pouring alcohol down their necks.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case.

Fair point, and yes there would be lots to debate I'm sure.

but there is also medication issued from the gp that it is strongly advised (and banned in many professions) to work whilst taking them? Like anti depressants and strong painkillers.

Cannabis taken at the correct dosage is a powerful medicine and variants like cbd oil and have been found to treat mental disorders and cancer with no phycoactive effect.

The problem is, as with literally anything it can be abused but there's far more chance of people understanding how to use it if it's made legal.

The difference is, if the doctor gives you a laxitive medicine your not going to come out of the toilet high as a kite.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case.

Fair point, and yes there would be lots to debate I'm sure.

but there is also medication issued from the gp that it is strongly advised (and banned in many professions) to work whilst taking them? Like anti depressants and strong painkillers.

Cannabis taken at the correct dosage is a powerful medicine and variants like cbd oil and have been found to treat mental disorders and cancer with no phycoactive effect.

The problem is, as with literally anything it can be abused but there's far more chance of people understanding how to use it if it's made legal.

The difference is, if the doctor gives you a laxitive medicine your not going to come out of the toilet high as a kite.

No but if your proscribed Tramadol or another opiate you could end up tripping your bollox off.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case.

Fair point, and yes there would be lots to debate I'm sure.

but there is also medication issued from the gp that it is strongly advised (and banned in many professions) to work whilst taking them? Like anti depressants and strong painkillers.

Cannabis taken at the correct dosage is a powerful medicine and variants like cbd oil and have been found to treat mental disorders and cancer with no phycoactive effect.

The problem is, as with literally anything it can be abused but there's far more chance of people understanding how to use it if it's made legal.

The difference is, if the doctor gives you a laxitive medicine your not going to come out of the toilet high as a kite.

Who said anything about laxatives? of course they don't make you trip that's just a ridiculous and completly irrelevant statement.

Don't you think your coordination and general cognitive functions are effected by the countless list of anti depressants and painkillers like vallium, tremadol and morphine just to name a few? You are not aloud to drive or operate machinery/ work in hazardous environments whilst using these 'medicines'.

Do you think if its legalised for medicinal purposed that your workforce is suddenly going to become stoners? Half of them probably already are.

...and I'd they do smoke I'm sure they don't do it in work, not because it's illegal but because they know that it will impair their abilities and they'll get the sack.

I'm sorry but I disagree with legalising cannabis - thinking in terms of my own business if my staff decide to have a joint whist on break I don't believe they will be able to function In a working environment afterwards, nor do I agree with "drug driving" which of course will be a big issue if/when legalised.

Well there's glaringly obvious answers to that - don't allow your staff to smoke during work as you wouldn't let them drink, and make driving under the influence of cannabis illegal as it is on alcohol.

They are not allowed to drink alcohol whilst on break but if this is legalised on "medical grounds" couldn't someone then argue that they are smoking cannabis in aid of their "medical condition"... Have you ever been to an employment tribunal? I'm sure this will be a debatable case.

Fair point, and yes there would be lots to debate I'm sure.

but there is also medication issued from the gp that it is strongly advised (and banned in many professions) to work whilst taking them? Like anti depressants and strong painkillers.

Cannabis taken at the correct dosage is a powerful medicine and variants like cbd oil and have been found to treat mental disorders and cancer with no phycoactive effect.

The problem is, as with literally anything it can be abused but there's far more chance of people understanding how to use it if it's made legal.

The difference is, if the doctor gives you a laxitive medicine your not going to come out of the toilet high as a kite.

Who said anything about laxatives? of course they don't make you trip that's just a ridiculous and completly irrelevant statement.

Don't you think your coordination and general cognitive functions are effected by the countless list of anti depressants and painkillers like vallium, tremadol and morphine just to name a few? You are not aloud to drive or operate machinery/ work in hazardous environments whilst using these 'medicines'.

Do you think if its legalised for medicinal purposed that your workforce is suddenly going to become stoners? Half of them probably already are.

If they were or are stoners they wouldn't be working for me!