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' Peter Whittingham? '

Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:22 pm

Peter Whittingham is out of contract end of season not getting any younger but still quality worth another year at least

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:27 pm

Easy,!! A year with possible extension who can you get with his qualities and experience without spending a fare amount :ayatollah:

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:29 pm

gwentbluebirds wrote:Easy,!! A year with possible extension who can you get with his qualities and experience without spending a fare amount :ayatollah:


Correct :thumbright: :bluebird:

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:16 am

Definitely

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:38 am

Forever Blue wrote:Peter Whittingham is out of contract end of season not getting any younger but still quality worth another year at least


I cant believe its worth even debating - of course - we should be sorting this now - no brainer! :bluescarf: :ayatollah:

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:34 am

gwentbluebirds wrote:Easy,!! A year with possible extension who can you get with his qualities and experience without spending a fare amount :ayatollah:


agree..especially when you consider the insane amounts of money our club spends each and every year in transfers,wages and golden hand shakes for players ,coaches and managers whose contribution to the club have been zero.
should be here until the end of his career.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:55 pm

dogfound wrote:
gwentbluebirds wrote:Easy,!! A year with possible extension who can you get with his qualities and experience without spending a fare amount :ayatollah:


agree..especially when you consider the insane amounts of money our club spends each and every year in transfers,wages and golden hand shakes for players ,coaches and managers whose contribution to the club have been zero.
should be here until the end of his career.


Definitely. Even moved into a youth coach role etc.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:10 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Peter Whittingham is out of contract end of season not getting any younger but still quality worth another year at least


I'm inclined to agree though if NW thinks he's not worth it then he'll be gone fans fav or not.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:19 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Peter Whittingham is out of contract end of season not getting any younger but still quality worth another year at least


I'm inclined to agree though if NW thinks he's not worth it then he'll be gone fans fav or not.


He's the final arbiter NQAT

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:18 pm

I will be the first to admit before Warnock and for a while I thought Whits was finished , he was not taking corners or free kicks as well as he should have and I was sad but thought time for him maybe to leave.

However Whits since Warnock has been brilliant his dead ball skills and his work rate has improved massively so with Warnock yes extend at least a year

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:30 pm

Well he wasnt worth his wages today
if people are honest he would not be worth 10 grand a week on todays performance

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:07 am

troobloo3339 wrote:Well he wasnt worth his wages today
if people are honest he would not be worth 10 grand a week on todays performance



do think you need to take a step back.
was his performance worth 10k a week ? we have players on much more than that whose contribution is zero mate. manga, huws, richards, to name but a few.
last week it was a failed clearance he attempted in front of the main stand a full 8 seconds before they scored was responsible for a goal. 4 players touched the ball including one of ours durring that 8 seconds, not to mention 8 seconds is ample time for each and every one of our players to have got goal side to prevent it, that was the main negative. you constantly fail to weigh these negatives up against positives.his positives? at the moment we have plenty of guts and determination in the squad but very little quality ,put simply he has quality.
yesterday.id have liked to see him not pull out of that challenge to, would he have won the ball against Chester when Chester was starting as fav .unlikely .he did actually play 3 or 4 very clever balls yesterday,they didnt result in goals but they were there.
i know your passionate for the club but that makes these posts/digs all the more gauling, he is a legend mate.
9th in the most apps list
7th in the most lge apps list { with 2 of those above having a number of years woth of non lge apps counting}
9th all time top scorer
4th most league goals
played in each of the 4 wembley games { i dreamed of us at wembley for 35 years,even in a freight rover trophy final}.while watching the likes of oatway and maxwell and getting excitted about signing richardson and hill
if there was an assists record going back down the years he would probably be top
oh and..question.....which Cardiff city player has worn the shirt in the WINNING Cardiff team the most ever?
not worth 10k a week?.we should build a flammming statue

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:17 am

No room for sentiment in football. He has been a good player for us without doubt, and may be able to do a job for us for a while yet. We have to look foward though, and it's a bit irrelevant to look at what he has done in the past as far as a new contract is concerned, every career comes to an end. He is one of those players who one week looks absolute quality, and the next game you wonder why he is even on the pitch. I honestly don't know if he is worthy of another contract, but I still think on his day he shows a bit of quality.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:46 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:No room for sentiment in football. He has been a good player for us without doubt, and may be able to do a job for us for a while yet. We have to look foward though, and it's a bit irrelevant to look at what he has done in the past as far as a new contract is concerned, every career comes to an end. He is one of those players who one week looks absolute quality, and the next game you wonder why he is even on the pitch. I honestly don't know if he is worthy of another contract, but I still think on his day he shows a bit of quality.



of course nothing lasts forever.but the past obviously counts we have a statue outside the canton. andCardiff fans should know this more than anyone re history

one of those players.yes since football began the gifted players look much better in games where those around are not playing with their backs to the wall because they get better possesion and more of it...never the less these sort of players can earn you a point or a win with 1 or 2 passes in a performance which has on the whole looked poor. personally i had doubts about whitts back in 2007, he has never won headers or tackles and never been fast, dont see much of a difference between the Whitts who spent a lot of his 1st year as sub and the Whitts of now.the positives out weigh the negatives at the moment. there was a move yesterday in the left hand corner which included 3 CCFC players a forward a midfielder and Whitts, it wasnt Whitts that looked as if he didnt know what to do next .wasnt Whitts who paniced,wasnt Whitts who lost the ball. yet no dig/posts re the midfielder that did ????????????

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:34 pm

Whitts is an outside half. When playing in a dominant team he is on a different level to any player we have had in my day (with the exception Medel). Give him Bellers, Jay, Chopra, Burkey and he'll destroy the opposition. The problem is apart from Holliet we got sweet FA.

If its going to be a street fight is he the best left on the bench until it calms down a bit ? Especially away.

As our average league position drop this indicates (to me) that we must be losing our talent and are less dominant,so Whitts effectiveness as a releaser of talent diminishes.

The up and at them mob will shortly be getting their dream as Whitts will be gone sooner or later, but with the clubs demonstrated inability to unearth gems since DJ's departure (lots of dogs as well ;) ) we'll end up with a team of cloggers. This league finds you out if you don't have talent. Endeavour is a great trait, but you need raw talent and Whitts passing ability and vision gives us that as well as Holliets pace and skills.

Gunnar, Ralls and O'Keefe with Lambert up top is a recipe for a habitual relegation battles. I don't mind Whitts leaving or retiring its his replacement that concerns me.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:02 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Whitts is an outside half. When playing in a dominant team he is on a different level to any player we have had in my day (with the exception Medel). Give him Bellers, Jay, Chopra, Burkey and he'll destroy the opposition. The problem is apart from Holliet we got sweet FA.

If its going to be a street fight is he the best left on the bench until it calms down a bit ? Especially away.

As our average league position drop this indicates (to me) that we must be losing our talent and are less dominant,so Whitts effectiveness as a releaser of talent diminishes.

The up and at them mob will shortly be getting their dream as Whitts will be gone sooner or later, but with the clubs demonstrated inability to unearth gems since DJ's departure (lots of dogs as well ;) ) we'll end up with a team of cloggers. This league finds you out if you don't have talent. Endeavour is a great trait, but you need raw talent and Whitts passing ability and vision gives us that as well as Holliets pace and skills.

Gunnar, Ralls and O'Keefe with Lambert up top is a recipe for a habitual relegation battles. I don't mind Whitts leaving or retiring its his replacement that concerns me.


Excellent post.

The type of scrap we are in at the moment is not suited to Whittingham's game.

You could make an argument for him starting games at home but especially away from home we need to fight and battle for EVERY ball and that is something that Whitts just cannot do.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:04 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Whitts is an outside half. When playing in a dominant team he is on a different level to any player we have had in my day (with the exception Medel). Give him Bellers, Jay, Chopra, Burkey and he'll destroy the opposition. The problem is apart from Holliet we got sweet FA.

If its going to be a street fight is he the best left on the bench until it calms down a bit ? Especially away.

As our average league position drop this indicates (to me) that we must be losing our talent and are less dominant,so Whitts effectiveness as a releaser of talent diminishes.

The up and at them mob will shortly be getting their dream as Whitts will be gone sooner or later, but with the clubs demonstrated inability to unearth gems since DJ's departure (lots of dogs as well ;) ) we'll end up with a team of cloggers. This league finds you out if you don't have talent. Endeavour is a great trait, but you need raw talent and Whitts passing ability and vision gives us that as well as Holliets pace and skills.

Gunnar, Ralls and O'Keefe with Lambert up top is a recipe for a habitual relegation battles. I don't mind Whitts leaving or retiring its his replacement that concerns me.



agree with this, i watched years of it just avoiding the drop in the 70s ,relegation im sure many will agree became a bit of relief / a chance to play a bit against weaker sides in the old 3rd div.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:56 pm

davids wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:Whitts is an outside half. When playing in a dominant team he is on a different level to any player we have had in my day (with the exception Medel). Give him Bellers, Jay, Chopra, Burkey and he'll destroy the opposition. The problem is apart from Holliet we got sweet FA.

If its going to be a street fight is he the best left on the bench until it calms down a bit ? Especially away.

As our average league position drop this indicates (to me) that we must be losing our talent and are less dominant,so Whitts effectiveness as a releaser of talent diminishes.

The up and at them mob will shortly be getting their dream as Whitts will be gone sooner or later, but with the clubs demonstrated inability to unearth gems since DJ's departure (lots of dogs as well ;) ) we'll end up with a team of cloggers. This league finds you out if you don't have talent. Endeavour is a great trait, but you need raw talent and Whitts passing ability and vision gives us that as well as Holliets pace and skills.

Gunnar, Ralls and O'Keefe with Lambert up top is a recipe for a habitual relegation battles. I don't mind Whitts leaving or retiring its his replacement that concerns me.


Excellent post.

The type of scrap we are in at the moment is not suited to Whittingham's game.

You could make an argument for him starting games at home but especially away from home we need to fight and battle for EVERY ball and that is something that Whitts just cannot do.


You may be wrong on at least one thing. With Warnock in charge we may not be "a team full of cloggers" for much longer. If he gets his way we might be lucky to unearth even better players, starting in January. I for one am keeping my fingers crossed.

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:32 pm

dogfound wrote:
troobloo3339 wrote:Well he wasnt worth his wages today
if people are honest he would not be worth 10 grand a week on todays performance



do think you need to take a step back.
was his performance worth 10k a week ? we have players on much more than that whose contribution is zero mate. manga, huws, richards, to name but a few.
last week it was a failed clearance he attempted in front of the main stand a full 8 seconds before they scored was responsible for a goal. 4 players touched the ball including one of ours durring that 8 seconds, not to mention 8 seconds is ample time for each and every one of our players to have got goal side to prevent it, that was the main negative. you constantly fail to weigh these negatives up against positives.his positives? at the moment we have plenty of guts and determination in the squad but very little quality ,put simply he has quality.
yesterday.id have liked to see him not pull out of that challenge to, would he have won the ball against Chester when Chester was starting as fav .unlikely .he did actually play 3 or 4 very clever balls yesterday,they didnt result in goals but they were there.
i know your passionate for the club but that makes these posts/digs all the more gauling, he is a legend mate.
9th in the most apps list
7th in the most lge apps list { with 2 of those above having a number of years woth of non lge apps counting}
9th all time top scorer
4th most league goals
played in each of the 4 wembley games { i dreamed of us at wembley for 35 years,even in a freight rover trophy final}.while watching the likes of oatway and maxwell and getting excitted about signing richardson and hill
if there was an assists record going back down the years he would probably be top
oh and..question.....which Cardiff city player has worn the shirt in the WINNING Cardiff team the most ever?
not worth 10k a week?.we should build a flammming statue


It's funny how I get picked out for my opinions on whitts by the usual posters .
There's another thread going at the moment not mine by the way ,with the majority having ago about whitts performance being poor yesterday ,but not many having ago at them
How about you giving us your oppinion of whitts performance yesterday rather than what he did in the past ,as they say your only as good as your last performance

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:24 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Whitts is an outside half. When playing in a dominant team he is on a different level to any player we have had in my day (with the exception Medel). Give him Bellers, Jay, Chopra, Burkey and he'll destroy the opposition. The problem is apart from Holliet we got sweet FA.

If its going to be a street fight is he the best left on the bench until it calms down a bit ? Especially away.

As our average league position drop this indicates (to me) that we must be losing our talent and are less dominant,so Whitts effectiveness as a releaser of talent diminishes.

The up and at them mob will shortly be getting their dream as Whitts will be gone sooner or later, but with the clubs demonstrated inability to unearth gems since DJ's departure (lots of dogs as well ;) ) we'll end up with a team of cloggers. This league finds you out if you don't have talent. Endeavour is a great trait, but you need raw talent and Whitts passing ability and vision gives us that as well as Holliets pace and skills.

Gunnar, Ralls and O'Keefe with Lambert up top is a recipe for a habitual relegation battles. I don't mind Whitts leaving or retiring its his replacement that concerns me.


Emyr Huws perhaps?

Re: ' Peter Whittingham? '

Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:31 pm

I want to see him get 100 goals so yes. :ayatollah: