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if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:29 pm

Is it disrespectful to all those that have died anf fought under it.

Im welsh and proud but i often wonder what the cardiff crowd in Freddy kennor day would think.
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Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:00 pm

We are one of the poorest nations in Europe. The Brutish state took our coal, iron, copper and have left us, like all colonies, with very little.
People died for an Empire which is rapidly disintegrating and which pushed the Welsh economy, culture and language to the brink of oblivion.
The same British military which invaded Iraq and Afghanistan also shot our own people in the streets of Merthyr (Rising), Newport (Chartism) and Llanelli ( rail strike).
They serve the ruling class and the privileged.
It's about time we respected our own people and not those who put us down.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is one of the few anthems which doesn't refer to conquering and killing ( look at the second verse of Mrs Windsor 's one).
I'll sing it proudly and, like republicans in England, have no truck with the Queen .

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:52 pm

I am a proud welshman who was honoured to serve in the British Army along with my colleagues from England, N Ireland, Scotland and even those from further afield.

Not unless you have served will you know the comradeship shared by all and the mutual respect. Banter was par for the course with regard to our origins,but we all pulled together as our ancestors did before them.

Those small minded enough to think at any stage we, Wales,could have been a major influence without being part of the United Kingdom need to have a reality check.

On the flip side, without the many welshmen and women throughout history, and even now who contribute to the UK, England would not have flourished so well.

Bye the way I do not boo GSTQ, but neither do I sing it :thumbup:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:46 pm

I am a proud Welshman, and extremely proud to be British, I raise both the Union Jack and Welsh Dragon at my home, and would never ever boo the God Save the Queen, like I would never boo the Welsh national anthem :bluebird: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:16 pm

I never boo ANY anthem. I don't see the point. Some of them are lovely; far better than some of the shit that masquerades as music these days.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:23 pm

I'm proud of people who fought at all wars. But is booing the god save the queen disrespectful to them? ? Or just shoving it up the English bastards during game time?
Personally I think it's a different situation altogether. It's the same as players doing this and that on pitch after game it doesnt matter

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:34 pm

Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:47 pm

In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:45 pm

The queen scrounges off the state more than anyone. Despite being incredibly rich, she takes from the poor.

Also, god is not real and the song is boring dirge

Anyone who pledges loyalty to her lacks the spine and pride to be a proper Welshman.

No to the queen, no to team gb

This has nothing to do with those who have died for us in the past

Cymru am byth

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:09 am

brickyblue wrote:Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

I don't really get the whole "Welsh and proud British" thing. Wales has NO recognition on the Union Jack and I don't feel united in any way.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:30 am

RV Casual wrote:In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Really? I was not there but have seen a few videos which show that it was certainly booed/whistled by some England fans. In the stadium as well as in the fanzone itself. I'm not sure why they did it, because Wales fans didn't boo GSTQ. Probably because they think we should be part of England and just generally think that we're beneath them.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:31 am

Cardiffcitymad wrote:
brickyblue wrote:Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

I don't really get the whole "Welsh and proud British" thing. Wales has NO recognition on the Union Jack and I don't feel united in any way.

Nor do I.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:33 am

Fusilier23 wrote:I am a proud welshman who was honoured to serve in the British Army along with my colleagues from England, N Ireland, Scotland and even those from further afield.

Not unless you have served will you know the comradeship shared by all and the mutual respect. Banter was par for the course with regard to our origins,but we all pulled together as our ancestors did before them.

Those small minded enough to think at any stage we, Wales,could have been a major influence without being part of the United Kingdom need to have a reality check.

On the flip side, without the many welshmen and women throughout history, and even now who contribute to the UK, England would not have flourished so well.

Bye the way I do not boo GSTQ, but neither do I sing it :thumbup:

Why would we have wanted to be 'a major influence'? We're a country of three million, we'll never have the population to be a world power.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:50 am

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Fusilier23 wrote:I am a proud welshman who was honoured to serve in the British Army along with my colleagues from England, N Ireland, Scotland and even those from further afield.

Not unless you have served will you know the comradeship shared by all and the mutual respect. Banter was par for the course with regard to our origins,but we all pulled together as our ancestors did before them.

Those small minded enough to think at any stage we, Wales,could have been a major influence without being part of the United Kingdom need to have a reality check.

On the flip side, without the many welshmen and women throughout history, and even now who contribute to the UK, England would not have flourished so well.

Bye the way I do not boo GSTQ, but neither do I sing it :thumbup:

Why would we have wanted to be 'a major influence'? We're a country of three million, we'll never have the population to be a world power.



Somebody tell the pathetic welsh assembly that!!

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:28 pm

I am a proud Welshman born in Cardiff by English parents, whilst i love beating the English at any sport, i do not have any hatred for the English only Banter, Cardiff/Welsh and Proud to Be British.

However i do boo the British antham when the away fans decide to sing it us at CCS !!!!! :lol: :lol: Banter !!! :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:36 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
RV Casual wrote:In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Really? I was not there but have seen a few videos which show that it was certainly booed/whistled by some England fans. In the stadium as well as in the fanzone itself. I'm not sure why they did it, because Wales fans didn't boo GSTQ. Probably because they think we should be part of England and just generally think that we're beneath them.



To be honest mate, that's news to me but not disputing it, I was sat in the Welsh section to the side of the pitch so can only assume that my close proximity to the Welsh fans singing must have drowned out any of the English that did disrespect it, must have been a small minority mind, considering they had at least 70% of the ground which brings me onto a completely separate point of how they managed to get so many tickets even in the Welsh section the bastards

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:39 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
RV Casual wrote:In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Really? I was not there but have seen a few videos which show that it was certainly booed/whistled by some England fans. In the stadium as well as in the fanzone itself. I'm not sure why they did it, because Wales fans didn't boo GSTQ. Probably because they think we should be part of England and just generally think that we're beneath them.


Our fans booed GSTQ when we played them in that friendly before the Euros, hardly beyond the realms of reality to suggest that Welsh fans also booed in Lens.

Oh and if you think English people look down on you then that has more to do with you then them. Trust me when you have a good professional job like myself the English lads who work for you do not look down on you for being a Welshman, believe that. You probably say that as your flipping burgers or working some other job where your going to feel everybody looks down on you.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:57 pm

bluemun wrote:We are one of the poorest nations in Europe. The Brutish state took our coal, iron, copper and have left us, like all colonies, with very little.
People died for an Empire which is rapidly disintegrating and which pushed the Welsh economy, culture and language to the brink of oblivion.
The same British military which invaded Iraq and Afghanistan also shot our own people in the streets of Merthyr (Rising), Newport (Chartism) and Llanelli ( rail strike).
They serve the ruling class and the privileged.
It's about time we respected our own people and not those who put us down.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is one of the few anthems which doesn't refer to conquering and killing ( look at the second verse of Mrs Windsor 's one).
I'll sing it proudly and, like republicans in England, have no truck with the Queen .

cool story bro :lol:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:22 pm

I like England.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:35 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
RV Casual wrote:In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Really? I was not there but have seen a few videos which show that it was certainly booed/whistled by some England fans. In the stadium as well as in the fanzone itself. I'm not sure why they did it, because Wales fans didn't boo GSTQ. Probably because they think we should be part of England and just generally think that we're beneath them.


Our fans booed GSTQ when we played them in that friendly before the Euros, hardly beyond the realms of reality to suggest that Welsh fans also booed in Lens.

Oh and if you think English people look down on you then that has more to do with you then them. Trust me when you have a good professional job like myself the English lads who work for you do not look down on you for being a Welshman, believe that. You probably say that as your flipping burgers or working some other job where your going to feel everybody looks down on you.

We played England in a friendly? Must have missed that.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:37 am

wez1927 wrote:
bluemun wrote:We are one of the poorest nations in Europe. The Brutish state took our coal, iron, copper and have left us, like all colonies, with very little.
People died for an Empire which is rapidly disintegrating and which pushed the Welsh economy, culture and language to the brink of oblivion.
The same British military which invaded Iraq and Afghanistan also shot our own people in the streets of Merthyr (Rising), Newport (Chartism) and Llanelli ( rail strike).
They serve the ruling class and the privileged.
It's about time we respected our own people and not those who put us down.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is one of the few anthems which doesn't refer to conquering and killing ( look at the second verse of Mrs Windsor 's one).
I'll sing it proudly and, like republicans in England, have no truck with the Queen .

cool story bro :lol:

So you don't think that any of what he says is true? Most of it is.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:22 am

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
RV Casual wrote:In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Really? I was not there but have seen a few videos which show that it was certainly booed/whistled by some England fans. In the stadium as well as in the fanzone itself. I'm not sure why they did it, because Wales fans didn't boo GSTQ. Probably because they think we should be part of England and just generally think that we're beneath them.


Our fans booed GSTQ when we played them in that friendly before the Euros, hardly beyond the realms of reality to suggest that Welsh fans also booed in Lens.

Oh and if you think English people look down on you then that has more to do with you then them. Trust me when you have a good professional job like myself the English lads who work for you do not look down on you for being a Welshman, believe that. You probably say that as your flipping burgers or working some other job where your going to feel everybody looks down on you.

We played England in a friendly? Must have missed that.


Northern Ireland.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:22 am

GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:37 pm

Fusilier23 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Fusilier23 wrote:I am a proud welshman who was honoured to serve in the British Army along with my colleagues from England, N Ireland, Scotland and even those from further afield.

Not unless you have served will you know the comradeship shared by all and the mutual respect. Banter was par for the course with regard to our origins,but we all pulled together as our ancestors did before them.

Those small minded enough to think at any stage we, Wales,could have been a major influence without being part of the United Kingdom need to have a reality check.

On the flip side, without the many welshmen and women throughout history, and even now who contribute to the UK, England would not have flourished so well.

Bye the way I do not boo GSTQ, but neither do I sing it :thumbup:

Why would we have wanted to be 'a major influence'? We're a country of three million, we'll never have the population to be a world power.



Somebody tell the pathetic welsh assembly that!!


Since when does having the power to make our own decisions equal wanting to be a world power?

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:14 pm

I never said world power the other poster did.

The UK would not have been as influential without Wales and on the flip side without the rest of the UK, no one would have heard of Wales.

Those people who like to dream about a"free wales" can keep dreaming!!

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:13 pm

BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:44 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Fusilier23 wrote:I am a proud welshman who was honoured to serve in the British Army along with my colleagues from England, N Ireland, Scotland and even those from further afield.

Not unless you have served will you know the comradeship shared by all and the mutual respect. Banter was par for the course with regard to our origins,but we all pulled together as our ancestors did before them.

Those small minded enough to think at any stage we, Wales,could have been a major influence without being part of the United Kingdom need to have a reality check.

On the flip side, without the many welshmen and women throughout history, and even now who contribute to the UK, England would not have flourished so well.

Bye the way I do not boo GSTQ, but neither do I sing it :thumbup:

Why would we have wanted to be 'a major influence'? We're a country of three million, we'll never have the population to be a world power.


Exactly. Heads down, mind our own business and concentrate on eradicating poverty, prejudice and inequality. We don't need to be a military power to become a shining beacon to the rest of the world. :thumbup:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:58 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
RV Casual wrote:In Lens both HWFN and GSTQ were respected impecably by both sides which I must admit surprised me but not a bad thing as I see it.

Really? I was not there but have seen a few videos which show that it was certainly booed/whistled by some England fans. In the stadium as well as in the fanzone itself. I'm not sure why they did it, because Wales fans didn't boo GSTQ. Probably because they think we should be part of England and just generally think that we're beneath them.


Our fans booed GSTQ when we played them in that friendly before the Euros, hardly beyond the realms of reality to suggest that Welsh fans also booed in Lens.

Oh and if you think English people look down on you then that has more to do with you then them. Trust me when you have a good professional job like myself the English lads who work for you do not look down on you for being a Welshman, believe that. You probably say that as your flipping burgers or working some other job where your going to feel everybody looks down on you.

How the fk do you know what they are saying about you behind your back? I think there is a good chance that you could be mentioned in the same sentence as the word sheep :lol:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:04 pm

Cardiffcitymad wrote:
brickyblue wrote:Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

I don't really get the whole "Welsh and proud British" thing. Wales has NO recognition on the Union Jack and I don't feel united in any way.


Same here I'm about as British as I'm European and I voted for BREXIT. :D My Nationality is Welsh nothing else.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:31 pm

Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup: