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Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:04 pm
The High Court today rules that consent from Parliament is not required for the British government to go ahead with leaving the EU.
The people's vote is the mandate.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:17 pm
Good news. The correct decision.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:00 pm
Agree
Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:07 pm
There is no doubt that is the correct decision but was leaving the EU the correct decision in the first place? That remains to be seen. Time will now tell.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:13 pm
the people have spoken and it doesn't have to be blocked by the remoaners
Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:34 pm
Time will tell if it is the right decision but we have to be allowed to see if it is. Politicians are public servants. They must represent our wishes and try to gain the best results for us.
I completely appreciate that there are a lot who would rather us remain in the EU. One of their arguments is that if the remain had won then UKIP would have continued to campaign to leave ... however we havent left yet. Those trying to stop it happening need to let it happen and if they believe we are better in, they should do what UKIP did but in reverse. Campaign to go back in. That is the nature of democracy. The people make their choice and the losing side is entitled to voice a counter view but we must be allowed to give with the majority rule. FWIW I did not vote UKIP. I referenced them as they were the main voice to leave the EU.
I hope all the public servants now start pulling together the achieve the best future for the country. Outside the rule of the EU but fully engaged in the world at large.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:31 pm
Inflation is soaring and will hit the poorest hard, the govt will get the backlash and may want MPs to vote on it after all.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:57 pm
No they haven't, they're barely into the procedings...
Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:57 pm
blackandbluebird wrote:Inflation is soaring and will hit the poorest hard, the govt will get the backlash and may want MPs to vote on it after all.
soaring

1% hardly soaring do you remember years ago when it was in between 5-10% ?
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:08 pm
wez1927 wrote:blackandbluebird wrote:Inflation is soaring and will hit the poorest hard, the govt will get the backlash and may want MPs to vote on it after all.
soaring

1% hardly soaring do you remember years ago when it was in between 5-10% ?
I thought the same. Would'nt call 1% soaring. It's because inflation is so low that we can't get any interest on our savings. I remember whe most bank deposit accounts were paying 13% plus, that was a time when inflation was soaring, because even those rates struggled to keep up with inflation.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:29 pm
Sturgeon and Salmond don't speak for the majority of Scots, St Andrews Cross will always be on the Union Flag.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:30 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:wez1927 wrote:blackandbluebird wrote:Inflation is soaring and will hit the poorest hard, the govt will get the backlash and may want MPs to vote on it after all.
soaring

1% hardly soaring do you remember years ago when it was in between 5-10% ?
I thought the same. Would'nt call 1% soaring. It's because inflation is so low that we can't get any interest on our savings. I remember whe most bank deposit accounts were paying 13% plus, that was a time when inflation was soaring, because even those rates struggled to keep up with inflation.
agree things at the moment are not to bad compared to years go
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:30 pm
Of course, both Alba and the six counties voted to remain in the EU, and it's possible that the vote could lead to the break-up of the Disunited Kingdom.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:35 pm
Aramore wrote:No they haven't, they're barely into the procedings...
^^^^This
The High Court has made no ruling at all. All the OP is relying on is what the Government is saying in its defence.
The opera ain't over till the fat lady sings .... or in this case, the bloke in the middle in the silly wig.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:48 pm
bluemun wrote:Of course, both Alba and the six counties voted to remain in the EU, and it's possible that the vote could lead to the break-up of the Disunited Kingdom.
Support for independence is no higher, in Scotland, than pre Brexit.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:04 pm
wez1927 wrote:the people have spoken and it doesn't have to be blocked by the remoaners
You'll be happy then for the Scots to have a 2nd referendum on independence?
Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:53 pm
Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:wez1927 wrote:the people have spoken and it doesn't have to be blocked by the remoaners
You'll be happy then for the Scots to have a 2nd referendum on independence?
Yes as they won't vote to leave anyway the economic argument isn't there they can't join the EU they can't keep the pound most people will still voted to remain in the union polls suggest that it will be a heavier defeat for the snp
Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:54 pm
Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:wez1927 wrote:the people have spoken and it doesn't have to be blocked by the remoaners
You'll be happy then for the Scots to have a 2nd referendum on independence?
Scotland voted 55/45% to remain part of the UK, the Brexit vote was UK wide. Jimmy Krankie can stamp her feet and demand another referendum but she's not getting one, why should she, she's a fu,ckin crackpot who plays to the hard of thinking.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:55 pm
Jock wrote:bluemun wrote:Of course, both Alba and the six counties voted to remain in the EU, and it's possible that the vote could lead to the break-up of the Disunited Kingdom.
Support for independence is no higher, in Scotland, than pre Brexit.
exactly some of the remainers in Scotland are not snp voters infact the snp supporters were the most euro sceptic
Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:59 pm
wez1927 wrote:Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:wez1927 wrote:the people have spoken and it doesn't have to be blocked by the remoaners
You'll be happy then for the Scots to have a 2nd referendum on independence?
Yes as they won't vote to leave anyway the economic argument isn't there they can't join the EU they can't keep the pound most people will still voted to remain in the union polls suggest that it will be a heavier defeat for the snp
Scotland deficit is up there with Greece but Sturgeon has now abandoned her jam tomorrow rhetoric, the new mantra is independence at any cost.
Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:49 pm
Jock wrote:wez1927 wrote:Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:wez1927 wrote:the people have spoken and it doesn't have to be blocked by the remoaners
You'll be happy then for the Scots to have a 2nd referendum on independence?
Yes as they won't vote to leave anyway the economic argument isn't there they can't join the EU they can't keep the pound most people will still voted to remain in the union polls suggest that it will be a heavier defeat for the snp
Scotland deficit is up there with Greece but Sturgeon has now abandoned her jam tomorrow rhetoric, the new mantra is independence at any cost.
she is off her rocker Scotland like Wales is stronger in the union they need to embrace brexit and start trading with the world
Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:28 am
We just have to get on with it now.
I voted remain and I believe we could have been better off in than out.
Already Wales is starting to take a hit and will continue to do so.
But we just have to make Brexit work as best we can.
No point in crying in our Guardians about it
Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:22 am
AfricanBluebird wrote:We just have to get on with it now.
I voted remain and I believe we could have been better off in than out.
Already Wales is starting to take a hit and will continue to do so.
But we just have to make Brexit work as best we can.
No point in crying in our Guardians about it
we are only taken a hit short term as we are still in the eu once we leave there is billions of people around the world to trade with ,the labour goverment in wales needs to look past the eu and look world wide
Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:05 am
wez1927 wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:We just have to get on with it now.
I voted remain and I believe we could have been better off in than out.
Already Wales is starting to take a hit and will continue to do so.
But we just have to make Brexit work as best we can.
No point in crying in our Guardians about it
we are only taken a hit short term as we are still in the eu once we leave there is billions of people around the world to trade with ,the labour goverment in wales needs to look past the eu and look world wide
We just don't know. Which is one reason I voted to remain. Well remain until at least there had been some proper analysis of the long term implications.
It's not just about trade.
I have been pleased with how the Welsh Assembly has been able to get some guarantees of continued funding for some programmes through central government. So kudos to them for that.
We will be fine of course .. but no one really knows how fine.
Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:59 am
Bobbank59 wrote:Good news. The correct decision.
The ONLY decision.
This application was vexatious and should have been chucked out early doors as having no realistic prospect of success.
Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:06 pm
What does it take for people to understand that this ENTIRE thread is built on sand? The court has made no ruling at all yet.
And, for what it's worth; I'm not a betting man, but if I were, my money would be on the Government losing this case.
Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:44 pm
Forever Blue wrote:The High Court today rules that consent from Parliament is not required for the British government to go ahead with leaving the EU.
The people's vote is the mandate.
Sometimes the High Court makes decisions which leaves you scratching your head trying to work out how they came to that conclusion.
Today they have resorted some common sense. What was the point of holding a referendum if the final decision was to be made by Parliament? Don't say this often but they got this one right
Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:49 pm
Trigger wrote:What does it take for people to understand that this ENTIRE thread is built on sand? The court has made no ruling at all yet.
And, for what it's worth; I'm not a betting man, but if I were, my money would be on the Government losing this case.
There has been no court ruling yet and the outcome could take some time yet. There is a lot of heavy constitutional law to theorise on before a decision is made and constitutional law in this country is open to interpretation not least because we don't have a written constitution.
The main plank of the Plaintiffs'case is that should the Royal Prerogative be bestowed upon the incumbent government to take this decision or should it be for Parliament alone to decide? As the referendum was sought and enacted by Parliament and given that it is merely advisory there is a strong prima facie case to suggest the matter should be put to Parliament and acted upon after a vote. It is a matter of fact that Article 50 can only be accepted by the EU if it is a decision which has been made following the correct constitutional procedures of the applicant country.
Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:20 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The High Court today rules that consent from Parliament is not required for the British government to go ahead with leaving the EU.
The people's vote is the mandate.
Sometimes the High Court makes decisions which leaves you scratching your head trying to work out how they came to that conclusion.
Today they have resorted some common sense. What was the point of holding a referendum if the final decision was to be made by Parliament? Don't say this often but they got this one right

Because the general public, are by in large, misinformed? Brexit was won on immigration and lies, if there was another vote now I'd imagine remain would win by a landslide.
Brexit has brought the pound to it's lowest levels for centuries and will hit the poorest hardest. We've not even pulled the trigger yet. Shit has yet to be introduced to the fan. It's going to be a long, hard road to recovery.
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