Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:46 pm
Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:56 am
Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:34 am
Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:27 am
Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:15 pm
Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:35 pm
Cardiffcitymad wrote:I thought he had additional evidence to support his retrial?
Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:45 pm
Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:51 pm
kav_8 wrote:with all that has happened and his time away from the game, I highly doubt he will again lead the Welsh line....
...That said I do agree with the sentiment. Hope he plays for Wales again, if was a builder he'd of laid bricks a plenty by now.
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:24 pm
Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:13 pm
DreamWelsh wrote:There must be some pretty substantial evidence for the conviction to be quashed in the first place, so far I'm not to sure what that evidence is, but there must be something or they wouldn't of even quashed it.
Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:49 pm
Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:50 pm
nubbsy wrote:Ched isn't some evil rapist, the girl was gagging for it but got too pissed and can't remeber f**k all.
Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:02 am
Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:11 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:25 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:26 pm
Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:37 pm
wez1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all
Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:45 pm
llan bluebird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me
1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?
My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.
Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:24 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:wez1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all
Absolute rubbish. If that was true then any woman who has had too much to drink is game for sex with any passing male(s)as all he (they) have to do is say she consented. Once the girl was drunk she lost capacity and society has to learn that means she was a sexual no go area until she regained capacity (sobered up)
Women are physically the weaker sex and need to be protected from predators like Evans especially when they are drunk. If he couldn't take personal responsibility then he deserves everything that is coming his way.
Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:26 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:llan bluebird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me
1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?
My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.
The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".
On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'
Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:38 pm
Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:58 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:llan bluebird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me
1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?
My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.
The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".
On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'
Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:13 pm
Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:41 pm
rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.
Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:48 pm
Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:58 pm
wez1927 wrote:rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.
she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist
Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:04 pm
rontom wrote:wez1927 wrote:rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.
she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist
I never said he was a rapist, just pointed out what his lawyer said, infact reading the bits of evidence I have seen in the paper I believe he will be found not guilty, especially the way the judge is summing up the evidence
Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:54 pm
wez1927 wrote:rontom wrote:wez1927 wrote:rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.
she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist
I never said he was a rapist, just pointed out what his lawyer said, infact reading the bits of evidence I have seen in the paper I believe he will be found not guilty, especially the way the judge is summing up the evidence
I didn't say you did I was backing what you said up
Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:23 pm
Not guilty hmmmmmmTony Blue Williams wrote:llan bluebird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me
1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?
My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.
The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".
On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'
Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:28 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:wez1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,
If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.
Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.
After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.
As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"
she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all
Absolute rubbish. If that was true then any woman who has had too much to drink is game for sex with any passing male(s)as all he (they) have to do is say she consented. Once the girl was drunk she lost capacity and society has to learn that means she was a sexual no go area until she regained capacity (sobered up)
Women are physically the weaker sex and need to be protected from predators like Evans especially when they are drunk. If he couldn't take personal responsibility then he deserves everything that is coming his way.