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Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:46 pm

Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Friday October 10, 2016

Leagues: EPL

London (AFP) – Ched Evans admitted he had behaved in a “childish” fashion as he gave evidence in a retrial for rape in Cardiff on Monday.

Wales international Evans, who plays for third-tier Chesterfield, is on trial at Cardiff Crown Court accused of raping a woman in a hotel room near Rhyl, north Wales, in May 2011.

The 27-year-old Evans was previously found guilty of rape, but a jury has been told that the Court of Appeal quashed the conviction and ordered a retrial.

Evans denies raping the woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

He told a jury that, after a drunken night out, he had got a key-card for a hotel room where footballing friend Clayton McDonald and a woman were naked together.

Evans said: “I did not know for sure what was happening in the room (before I entered). I thought they might be having sex. I couldn’t be sure, but like I said I was being childish.

“Clay was stood at the end of the bed, and the woman was at the foot of the bed…..on her back.

“Clay looked at me and then looked at her and then said ‘can my mate join in’?

“She looked at me and then said ‘yes’.”

Evans, asked by the defence lawyer if the woman had consented to sex, added: “Yes…From how she was acting, what she said to me.”

The trial continues.
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Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:56 am

Would be great to see him in the Red Jersey of Wales when, his nightmare is over.

Not condoning what he has done but he could be the platform we need to fire in the Goals for Coleman's dragons

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:34 am

with all that has happened and his time away from the game, I highly doubt he will again lead the Welsh line....

...That said I do agree with the sentiment. Hope he plays for Wales again, if was a builder he'd of laid bricks a plenty by now.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:27 am

I thought he had additional evidence to support his retrial?

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:15 pm

I think that's still to come. Allegedly she was messaging friends saying that she might be able to get a new car if she see's it out or something like that! Not sure how true that is but that's what someone told me.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:35 pm

Cardiffcitymad wrote:I thought he had additional evidence to support his retrial?

they didn't use his half brothers statementin thr first trail

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:45 pm

Wait and see I guess - the evidence we have heard so far is the same as before, only difference is he now states he was being childish.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:51 pm

kav_8 wrote:with all that has happened and his time away from the game, I highly doubt he will again lead the Welsh line....

...That said I do agree with the sentiment. Hope he plays for Wales again, if was a builder he'd of laid bricks a plenty by now.

Good point fella &'mud sticks

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:24 pm

There must be some pretty substantial evidence for the conviction to be quashed in the first place, so far I'm not to sure what that evidence is, but there must be something or they wouldn't of even quashed it.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:13 pm

DreamWelsh wrote:There must be some pretty substantial evidence for the conviction to be quashed in the first place, so far I'm not to sure what that evidence is, but there must be something or they wouldn't of even quashed it.


Did the chap who they could not reveal his name give evidence in the first trial, he stated today that he had sex with the girl three times and on the one occasion she asked him what happened the night before, because she could not remember anything, or was he just saying that to claim the £50,000 reward on offer



The woman at the centre of Ched Evans' rape retrial had previously woken up in bed with another man claiming she could not remember what had happened, a court has heard.

The alleged victim in the case said she came to in a budget hotel following a night out in 2011 and had no memory of having sex with Wales international Evans and a fellow footballer.

Evans, 27, denies raping the teenager and insisted she consented to having sex.

Prosecutors say the woman was too drunk to know what was happening or who she was with.

On day five of the case, Cardiff Crown Court heard from a defence witness who said he had taken home the woman "two or three times" following drunken nights out - and was shocked by her reaction one particular occasion.

The man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: "The following morning, she asked me if anything had happened the night before......It was like she didn't know nothing.

"I was surprised because I did not think she was that drunk.

"She seemed capable of making decisions."

And the man also told the court that two weeks after the complainant's alleged incident with Evans, she had approached him in a nightclub promising to show him a "good time".

In evidence he said: "What did I understand her to mean by that? Sex.

"I just laughed at first because I thought she was joking until the end of the night when she asked me again."

During cross-examination, the witness admitted he knew of a website called ChedEvans.com, which at one stage offered a £50,000 reward for information that could lead to the football star's acquittal.

However, he insisted that money was not his motivation for coming forward and that he also had not received a penny either.

"Why am I here? (in court)....because I believe she is lying," he said.

"Did I come here to tell the jury a pack of lies? No."

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:49 pm

Ched isn't some evil rapist, the girl was gagging for it but got too pissed and can't remeber f**k all.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:50 pm

nubbsy wrote:Ched isn't some evil rapist, the girl was gagging for it but got too pissed and can't remeber f**k all.

I think she can remember it but won't say coz she's a bit of a slapper

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:02 am

Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:11 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"

she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:25 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"



Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me

1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?


My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:26 pm

Ched Evans comes off a top season for Sheffield United when this happens scoring over 30 goals I believe getting linked to clubs higher up and the other fella involved is a journey man defender that no-one has ever heard of really doesn't get charged for anything. Work it out.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:37 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"

she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all


Absolute rubbish. If that was true then any woman who has had too much to drink is game for sex with any passing male(s) :roll: as all he (they) have to do is say she consented. Once the girl was drunk she lost capacity and society has to learn that means she was a sexual no go area until she regained capacity (sobered up)

Women are physically the weaker sex and need to be protected from predators like Evans especially when they are drunk. If he couldn't take personal responsibility then he deserves everything that is coming his way.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:45 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"



Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me

1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?


My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.


The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".

On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:24 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"

she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all


Absolute rubbish. If that was true then any woman who has had too much to drink is game for sex with any passing male(s) :roll: as all he (they) have to do is say she consented. Once the girl was drunk she lost capacity and society has to learn that means she was a sexual no go area until she regained capacity (sobered up)

Women are physically the weaker sex and need to be protected from predators like Evans especially when they are drunk. If he couldn't take personal responsibility then he deserves everything that is coming his way.

How do you know she was drunk ? her behaviour was normal for her taking men home ,the cctv shows she wasn't drunk and how come it 2as ok for the other fella to shah her but not for Ched ?I think your talking out of your arse she was heard shouting more more also she slept w8th someone else only 2 weeks later after supposedly being raped the girl sounds a right slapper

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:26 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"



Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me

1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?


My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.


The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".

On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'

Your speaking out of your arse the cctv shows she was not drunk at all and walking in high heels feel even pick8ng up a pizza she had put down on the floor whilst getting out of a taxi

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:38 pm

The departing through the fire escape doesn't do him any favours at all mind lol,all he said she crap!how does anyone apart from them 3 know anything(apart obv from cctv pics)only them 3 will know the truth fact

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:58 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"



Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me

1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?


My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.


The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".

On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'

Why didn't McDonald get charged for rape also? How could she have consented with McDonald but not Ched? I agree with your point about Ched being in a long term relationship and that he shouldn't have been in the hotel room. I cannot get my head around why his partner would stick with him after all he went out to cheat on her that night!

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:13 pm

Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:41 pm

rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.

she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:48 pm

Why didn't McDonald get charged for rape also? How could she have consented with McDonald but not Ched?

I'd guess if i was on the jury I would say her having a drink with McDonald, walking back to the hotel room with him indicated a form of free will or consent. If the three of them after a night out had walked back to the hotel arm in arm, i would suggest she may have be up for a threesome. The fact she never met Ched prior and he sneaked into the room deceiving the porter after receiving a text from his mate would lead me to believe it was a prearranged "prank" by the footie we can do what we want because I am kinda of a big thing players.

Leaving by the fire escape also indicates a form of wrongdoing.

She may have been receptive to Ched, but she may not have been. The facts that he tricked his way into the room, cold and sober leaves more doubt.

Rape is a disgusting thing (obviously) and i think the law needs to change the wording to unconsenting sex as its not as if he grabbed her from the street with great violence and physically raped her.

Nobody comes out of this with any thing but discredit. Even if he is found not guilty i can't see any decent top clubs touching him

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:58 pm

wez1927 wrote:
rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.

she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist


I never said he was a rapist, just pointed out what his lawyer said, infact reading the bits of evidence I have seen in the paper I believe he will be found not guilty, especially the way the judge is summing up the evidence

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:04 pm

rontom wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.

she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist


I never said he was a rapist, just pointed out what his lawyer said, infact reading the bits of evidence I have seen in the paper I believe he will be found not guilty, especially the way the judge is summing up the evidence

I didn't say you did I was backing what you said up

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:54 pm

wez1927 wrote:
rontom wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
rontom wrote:Evans lawyer states that he left by the fire escape because the room was only booked in one name, she also mentioned that the girl sent a text to her friend at 2.54am which was coherent,logical and rational, that was just before the alleged rape.

she was walking fine ,she sent a text no problem and she had sex 2 weeks after a supposed rape sorry but I don't think 2 weeks is a long time after also she was bragging about spending the compo money on facebook ,Evans shouldn't of cheated on his Mrs but that doesn't make him a rapist


I never said he was a rapist, just pointed out what his lawyer said, infact reading the bits of evidence I have seen in the paper I believe he will be found not guilty, especially the way the judge is summing up the evidence

I didn't say you did I was backing what you said up


Sorry my mistake, but reading your-post I thought you were thinking I was saying he is a rapist.

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:23 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"



Not really followed this in any detail, so could someone answers a few yes no questions for me

1- Had she previously met Ched Evan before that encounter ?
2- Had she met him earlier that night ?
3- Did she go back to the hotel with him ?
4- Did she go back to the room with him ?
5- Had she arranged to meet the other guy that night (a prearranged date) ?


My guess is all these are no's....... Thats why a jury found him previously guilty.


The answers are 1. No 2. No 3.No 4. No 5. Sought of. McDonald had previously been in a bar with the girl and met her again by accident in a street. She agreed to go to the hotel room with him. Evans only got access to the room by lying to a security guard and arrived after receiving a text from McDonald saying "he had a girl".

On arrival in the hotel room Evans was sober and the girl was severely drunk. He then gate crashed the sexual intercourse McDonald was having with the girl and claims she 'consented' even though she was thoroughly drunk and didn't have capacity at the time. After sex Evans departed via the 'fire escape'
Not guilty hmmmmmm

Re: Ched Evans admits at retrial to ‘childish’ behaviour

Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:28 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Some of the replies on here are beyond belief. Basically it's OK to rape a woman as long as she has a reputation (whether true or not) for being a 'slapper' or is 'just gagging for it'. I have 3 daughters and I find it disturbing that these 'men' are sharing the same planet as them,

If I was sitting on the jury and heard the evidence of this young man I would be more inclined to believe Evans is guilty. We now have the testimony of another person which confirms that she gets so drunk she can't remember her actions from the night before. That means in legal terms she didn't have capacity to consent to sex and all Evans did was take advantage of that for his own short term kicks.

Remember he was sober, tricked his way into the hotel room and had sex with a very drunk and vulnerable young woman. If he (or anyone) wants to avoid accusations of rape then they should take personal responsibility and REFUSE sex even if the girl appears to be consenting or even 'asking for it' as anything said by the girl is tempered by temporary loss of capacity due to drink.

After all he was in a supposed 'long term' relationship and should have had no reason to be in that hotel room in the first place. He is a disgusting nasty piece of work and the only reason this rape retrial is being heard is because he has the financial muscle to hire top lawyers to bully the result he wants.

As the old saying goes "British justice the best money can buy"

she consented,he didn't rape her it's as simple as that ! he will get found not guilty the slapper wanted money from it all


Absolute rubbish. If that was true then any woman who has had too much to drink is game for sex with any passing male(s) :roll: as all he (they) have to do is say she consented. Once the girl was drunk she lost capacity and society has to learn that means she was a sexual no go area until she regained capacity (sobered up)

Women are physically the weaker sex and need to be protected from predators like Evans especially when they are drunk. If he couldn't take personal responsibility then he deserves everything that is coming his way.


Tony I think you need to have more respect for the law. He been found innocent by a jury and previously had a conviction quashed by 3 judges.

Also some more respect for women from you as well because you standing up for the girl is nothing but disgusting,for all the failed real rape victims that this girl has now made it even harder for.

Ps. Where's the apology you promised before in the other thread you said you give when he's found innocent???