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Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:02 am

" WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS "


For me Cardiff City manager Paul Trollope chose the wrong Captain to lead Cardiff City after David Marshal was sold to Hull City.

Sean Morrison in my opinion is not a leader,has done nothing to inspire the other players,does not show passion/agression or even shout at the other Cardiff City players.

For me this is a massive concern,I said that when Paul Trollope announced Morrison as Cardiff City's Captain.

I Would of chosen Aron Gunnarsson as he players better when he Captains Iceland and knows all about whats needed,so has been there done it and is still doing it nowadays and is looked up to.

My other choice would be Lee Peltier as he always gets stuck in, not frightened and I do see him shouting at the other City players,also virtually ever present and consistent.


OPINIONS? :thumbright:
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Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:19 am

To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:28 am

Agree Peltier for me was the only real choice.

To me having Marshall as a captain was a wrong decision previously. I would always have a player that can influence things in the game. A keeper can dictate his back line but is difficult to get instructions further up the field.

Disagree about Slade being out of his depth - finished eighth in the league with all that was going on around him. He had is flaws don't get me wrong but I can assure you we would not be where we are now :thumbup:

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:34 am

cityone wrote:To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????


Paul, I remember we had many many debates about how Tan was running Cardiff City and you were quite adamant he was running it the right way, you and I have a lot of respect for each other, But can you now see that Tan will only employ Yes men, not quality managers or managers who will want to do it their way and they are proven managers.

Trollope answers big time Tan and yes of course decisions like Morrison are Trollopes,but in my opinion Trollope is not a good enough manager to make any big decisions and thats why we will continue to fail with managers like Trollope.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:35 am

Forever Blue wrote:" WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS "


For me Cardiff City manager Paul Trollope chose the wrong Captain to lead Cardiff City after David Marshal was sold to Hull City.

Sean Morrison in my opinion is not a leader,has done nothing to inspire the other players,does not show passion/agression or even shout at the other Cardiff City players.

For me this is a massive concern,I said that when Paul Trollope announced Morrison as Cardiff City's Captain.

I Would of chosen Aron Gunnarsson as he players better when he Captains Iceland and knows all about whats needed,so has been there done it and is still doing it nowadays and is looked up to.

My other choice would be Lee Peltier as he always gets stuck in, not frightened and I do see him shouting at the other City players,also virtually ever present and consistent.


OPINIONS? :thumbright:

Gunnarsson is not going to be selected consistently to be made captain,my choice would be Lambert

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:36 am

Dobbin wrote:Agree Peltier for me was the only real choice.

To me having Marshall as a captain was a wrong decision previously. I would always have a player that can influence things in the game. A keeper can dictate his back line but is difficult to get instructions further up the field.

Disagree about Slade being out of his depth - finished eighth in the league with all that was going on around him. He had is flaws don't get me wrong but I can assure you we would not be where we are now :thumbup:


Dobbin, I would accept Peltier :thumbright: :thumbright:

As to Slade,he took us as far as could of and this season, we would of struggled as the Championship is even stronger this season and we never really strengthened like other clubs,Slade would of probably kept us up,Trollope won't.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:44 am

Forever Blue wrote:
Dobbin wrote:Agree Peltier for me was the only real choice.

To me having Marshall as a captain was a wrong decision previously. I would always have a player that can influence things in the game. A keeper can dictate his back line but is difficult to get instructions further up the field.

Disagree about Slade being out of his depth - finished eighth in the league with all that was going on around him. He had is flaws don't get me wrong but I can assure you we would not be where we are now :thumbup:


Dobbin, I would accept Peltier :thumbright: :thumbright:

As to Slade,he took us as far as could of and this season, we would of struggled as the Championship is even stronger this season and we never really strengthened like other clubs,Slade would of probably kept us up,Trollope won't.


Slade would have kept us up and I agree the championship is ally tougher but we would have finished mid table.

Under Trollope there are no signs of any improvement and I am confident he will be gone in the international break.

What is key now is who we get in. No gambles either a young hungry manager that has a proven track record in a lower division or a seasoned old school pro such as a warnock. It will be up to the committee if they are looking for a short term fix or build on something long term whilst securing our status in this division. To me a short term fix and clear the decks again in the summer and rebuild

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:51 am

Forever Blue wrote:" WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS "


For me Cardiff City manager Paul Trollope chose the wrong Captain to lead Cardiff City after David Marshal was sold to Hull City.

Sean Morrison in my opinion is not a leader,has done nothing to inspire the other players,does not show passion/agression or even shout at the other Cardiff City players.

For me this is a massive concern,I said that when Paul Trollope announced Morrison as Cardiff City's Captain.

I Would of chosen Aron Gunnarsson as he players better when he Captains Iceland and knows all about whats needed,so has been there done it and is still doing it nowadays and is looked up to.

My other choice would be Lee Peltier as he always gets stuck in, not frightened and I do see him shouting at the other City players,also virtually ever present and consistent.


OPINIONS? :thumbright:

IMO Morrisson shouldn't be in the starting 11 I would have Connoly and Manga as the CB pairing

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:56 am

Now i would pick Lambert as he is the first name on the team sheet, doesn't talk rubbish and has a presence. Getting the best out of him could keep us up

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:00 pm

ThomasC wrote:Now i would pick Lambert as he is the first name on the team sheet, doesn't talk rubbish and has a presence. Getting the best out of him could keep us up




Not a bad call :thumbup:

I supported Morrison's appointment but he has failed to 'lead' the team to date

Gunnarsson will not start regularly enough IMOH to be given the armband :ayatollah:

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:06 pm

Its a difficult one for Vinny.

Football as been proved this week is corrupt as hell, and he knows he got stung from two "trusted" senior employees brought up in the footballing bung culture and he must be very wary.

Question : How does he run a business without being ripped off by the people he pays handsomely to look after the clubs best interest ?

Answer: Do it yourself, but you find out its not as easy as it looks.


That championship season we had leaders. Obviously we had Hudson but also Bellers, Marshall, Gunnar, Helguson and people you'd go into battle with Turner, Kev, Taylor, Conway, Cowie....To think about it, it was only Whitts & Mutch who were a bit "flakey" but both turned out to be very important players that year.....

Malky blew it for himself in the end, but his right type model served us well. I just don't see a philosophy in our recruitment
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Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:06 pm

Sven wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Now i would pick Lambert as he is the first name on the team sheet, doesn't talk rubbish and has a presence. Getting the best out of him could keep us up




Not a bad call :thumbup:

I supported Morrison's appointment but he has failed to 'lead' the team to date

Gunnarsson will not start regularly enough IMOH to be given the armband :ayatollah:

Problem here is that you would be choosing a captain who will probably spend a lot of time sidelined with injuries.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:49 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????


Paul, I remember we had many many debates about how Tan was running Cardiff City and you were quite adamant he was running it the right way, you and I have a lot of respect for each other, But can you now see that Tan will only employ Yes men, not quality managers or managers who will want to do it their way and they are proven managers.

Trollope answers big time Tan and yes of course decisions like Morrison are Trollopes,but in my opinion Trollope is not a good enough manager to make any big decisions and thats why we will continue to fail with managers like Trollope.


Sorry Annis I've been away from my lap top for an hour, I've always been gratefull to tan for the money he has ploughed into our club, (and still is) and nobody can doubt the amount of money that he backed Malky and OGS with in the transfer market, however, he now seems to trust nobody with his money and is no doubt telling Dalman/Choo what and when to do anything, this attitude is a recipe for disaster (hence where we are in the league) what top manager would come here under these working conditions???? we are crying out for a football man at board level to steer the club forward, again, would they work under tan??? Any word out of the club if/when they are going to pull the plug on Trollope??? Anyway, how are the family and your new life in Santa Ponsa??? i also believe Steve is out there as well is that right.???

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:55 pm

O keefe for me as captain plays in the middle sees everything near to the ref has bottle is a battler perfectly able to look after himself and our players first there when there's argy Bargy going on ,and is first choice in his position

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:14 pm

Forever Blue wrote:" WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS "


For me Cardiff City manager Paul Trollope chose the wrong Captain to lead Cardiff City after David Marshal was sold to Hull City.

Sean Morrison in my opinion is not a leader,has done nothing to inspire the other players,does not show passion/agression or even shout at the other Cardiff City players.

For me this is a massive concern,I said that when Paul Trollope announced Morrison as Cardiff City's Captain.

I Would of chosen Aron Gunnarsson as he players better when he Captains Iceland and knows all about whats needed,so has been there done it and is still doing it nowadays and is looked up to.

My other choice would be Lee Peltier as he always gets stuck in, not frightened and I do see him shouting at the other City players,also virtually ever present and consistent.


OPINIONS? :thumbright:



More than a little unfair to say Morrison does not show passion or aggression especially when you look at his defensive statistics for this season.

After the game yesterday Sean Morrison has made more blocks, won more headers and made more clearances than any other defender at the club. In respect of blocks he is actually 2nd best in the League and way ahead of any other of our defenders, surely that alone shows passion and aggression. He is the 4th best defender at interceptions with Peltier, Connolly and John all ahead of him, does that show a lack of aggression or a weakness reading the game ?

His biggest weakness though is tackling where he is our weakest defender and maybe that would put a question mark over his aggression, but over all he is our best performing defender.

If for no other reason and, with such a low number of options, maybe making him Captain is one that PT has got right.


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Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:15 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:" WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS "


For me Cardiff City manager Paul Trollope chose the wrong Captain to lead Cardiff City after David Marshal was sold to Hull City.

Sean Morrison in my opinion is not a leader,has done nothing to inspire the other players,does not show passion/agression or even shout at the other Cardiff City players.

For me this is a massive concern,I said that when Paul Trollope announced Morrison as Cardiff City's Captain.

I Would of chosen Aron Gunnarsson as he players better when he Captains Iceland and knows all about whats needed,so has been there done it and is still doing it nowadays and is looked up to.

My other choice would be Lee Peltier as he always gets stuck in, not frightened and I do see him shouting at the other City players,also virtually ever present and consistent.


OPINIONS? :thumbright:

Gunnarsson is not going to be selected consistently to be made captain,my choice would be Lambert


Hes Consistant for his Country Iceland and would be for City if played every week :ayatollah:

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:19 pm

cityone wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????


Paul, I remember we had many many debates about how Tan was running Cardiff City and you were quite adamant he was running it the right way, you and I have a lot of respect for each other, But can you now see that Tan will only employ Yes men, not quality managers or managers who will want to do it their way and they are proven managers.

Trollope answers big time Tan and yes of course decisions like Morrison are Trollopes,but in my opinion Trollope is not a good enough manager to make any big decisions and thats why we will continue to fail with managers like Trollope.


Sorry Annis I've been away from my lap top for an hour, I've always been gratefull to tan for the money he has ploughed into our club, (and still is) and nobody can doubt the amount of money that he backed Malky and OGS with in the transfer market, however, he now seems to trust nobody with his money and is no doubt telling Dalman/Choo what and when to do anything, this attitude is a recipe for disaster (hence where we are in the league) what top manager would come here under these working conditions???? we are crying out for a football man at board level to steer the club forward, again, would they work under tan??? Any word out of the club if/when they are going to pull the plug on Trollope??? Anyway, how are the family and your new life in Santa Ponsa??? i also believe Steve is out there as well is that right.???



Hi Paul, Thats fair enough,you always did say that,as you know I was Never thankful for his money,nor did I want his so called £100mill.
He's getting back over time.
We will struggle to bring a good manager in under Tan and his committee.

Yes life has been very good over here,especially for my children and wife thanks :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Steve, never lasted two minutes as he did not know what he was doing and upset All the locals and I will state now,left owing thousands. I am glad I distanced myself as I was pre-warned by his own family.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:31 pm

Lambert is a pretty good shout I think as got to be a regular starter which is why Morrison was always an odd choice as not nailed on best centre back. I would have said Peltier before as gives 100%, is a shouter and although I haven't met him comes across as a bit of a character who people would follow.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:31 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????


Paul, I remember we had many many debates about how Tan was running Cardiff City and you were quite adamant he was running it the right way, you and I have a lot of respect for each other, But can you now see that Tan will only employ Yes men, not quality managers or managers who will want to do it their way and they are proven managers.

Trollope answers big time Tan and yes of course decisions like Morrison are Trollopes,but in my opinion Trollope is not a good enough manager to make any big decisions and thats why we will continue to fail with managers like Trollope.


Sorry Annis I've been away from my lap top for an hour, I've always been gratefull to tan for the money he has ploughed into our club, (and still is) and nobody can doubt the amount of money that he backed Malky and OGS with in the transfer market, however, he now seems to trust nobody with his money and is no doubt telling Dalman/Choo what and when to do anything, this attitude is a recipe for disaster (hence where we are in the league) what top manager would come here under these working conditions???? we are crying out for a football man at board level to steer the club forward, again, would they work under tan??? Any word out of the club if/when they are going to pull the plug on Trollope??? Anyway, how are the family and your new life in Santa Ponsa??? i also believe Steve is out there as well is that right.???



Hi Paul, Thats fair enough,you always did say that,as you know I was Never thankful for his money,nor did I want his so called £100mill.
He's getting back over time.
We will struggle to bring a good manager in under Tan and his committee.

Yes life has been very good over here,especially for my children and wife thanks :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Steve, never lasted two minutes as he did not know what he was doing and upset All the locals and I will state now,left owing thousands. I am glad I distanced myself as I was pre-warned by his own family.



Glad life is good out there (i'll get over to see you soon) best to leave the steve situation alone, anyway what have you heared about Trollope??? are we going to pull the plug on him?? as for captain/leader i would go for gunner or lambert.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:14 pm

I agree, Morrison is not the answer. In fact I don't think he is good enough for the starting eleven when everybody is fit and available. My choice of captain would be O'Keefe or Lambert.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:51 pm

cityone wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????


Paul, I remember we had many many debates about how Tan was running Cardiff City and you were quite adamant he was running it the right way, you and I have a lot of respect for each other, But can you now see that Tan will only employ Yes men, not quality managers or managers who will want to do it their way and they are proven managers.

Trollope answers big time Tan and yes of course decisions like Morrison are Trollopes,but in my opinion Trollope is not a good enough manager to make any big decisions and thats why we will continue to fail with managers like Trollope.


Sorry Annis I've been away from my lap top for an hour, I've always been gratefull to tan for the money he has ploughed into our club, (and still is) and nobody can doubt the amount of money that he backed Malky and OGS with in the transfer market, however, he now seems to trust nobody with his money and is no doubt telling Dalman/Choo what and when to do anything, this attitude is a recipe for disaster (hence where we are in the league) what top manager would come here under these working conditions???? we are crying out for a football man at board level to steer the club forward, again, would they work under tan??? Any word out of the club if/when they are going to pull the plug on Trollope??? Anyway, how are the family and your new life in Santa Ponsa??? i also believe Steve is out there as well is that right.???



Hi Paul, Thats fair enough,you always did say that,as you know I was Never thankful for his money,nor did I want his so called £100mill.
He's getting back over time.
We will struggle to bring a good manager in under Tan and his committee.

Yes life has been very good over here,especially for my children and wife thanks :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Steve, never lasted two minutes as he did not know what he was doing and upset All the locals and I will state now,left owing thousands. I am glad I distanced myself as I was pre-warned by his own family.



Glad life is good out there (i'll get over to see you soon) best to leave the steve situation alone, anyway what have you heared about Trollope??? are we going to pull the plug on him?? as for captain/leader i would go for gunner or lambert.



Be good to see you Paul :thumbright: :thumbright:

Theres another meeting with the Committee and Trollope in the next 48hrs.

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:52 pm

ThomasC wrote:Now i would pick Lambert as he is the first name on the team sheet, doesn't talk rubbish and has a presence. Getting the best out of him could keep us up


I would pick Lambert, but at the moment he needs to have at least 10 games behind him and a couple more goals for his confidence :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " WRONG CHOICE/OPINIONS? "

Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:57 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:To be honest Annis everything that Trollope does seems to be a disaster, like Slade before him he is way, way out of his depth, the club needs to act quickly and remove Trollope but my only worry then is will he be replaced by a seasoned championship manager or another no hoper.????


Paul, I remember we had many many debates about how Tan was running Cardiff City and you were quite adamant he was running it the right way, you and I have a lot of respect for each other, But can you now see that Tan will only employ Yes men, not quality managers or managers who will want to do it their way and they are proven managers.

Trollope answers big time Tan and yes of course decisions like Morrison are Trollopes,but in my opinion Trollope is not a good enough manager to make any big decisions and thats why we will continue to fail with managers like Trollope.


Sorry Annis I've been away from my lap top for an hour, I've always been gratefull to tan for the money he has ploughed into our club, (and still is) and nobody can doubt the amount of money that he backed Malky and OGS with in the transfer market, however, he now seems to trust nobody with his money and is no doubt telling Dalman/Choo what and when to do anything, this attitude is a recipe for disaster (hence where we are in the league) what top manager would come here under these working conditions???? we are crying out for a football man at board level to steer the club forward, again, would they work under tan??? Any word out of the club if/when they are going to pull the plug on Trollope??? Anyway, how are the family and your new life in Santa Ponsa??? i also believe Steve is out there as well is that right.???



Hi Paul, Thats fair enough,you always did say that,as you know I was Never thankful for his money,nor did I want his so called £100mill.
He's getting back over time.
We will struggle to bring a good manager in under Tan and his committee.

Yes life has been very good over here,especially for my children and wife thanks :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Steve, never lasted two minutes as he did not know what he was doing and upset All the locals and I will state now,left owing thousands. I am glad I distanced myself as I was pre-warned by his own family.



Glad life is good out there (i'll get over to see you soon) best to leave the steve situation alone, anyway what have you heared about Trollope??? are we going to pull the plug on him?? as for captain/leader i would go for gunner or lambert.



Be good to see you Paul :thumbright: :thumbright:

Theres another meeting with the Committee and Trollope in the next 48hrs.


I think Trollopes fate will be sealed after this he has already had his handful of games to turn it around.