' its the players fault '

' its the players fault '

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Yes I believe the players are to blame.

No one seriously believes trollope sends them out to play like they are?

Does he tell them to stroll around , give very little effort , show no desire , back off , make no tackles , allow the opposition time and space on the ball .

Turner yesterday played a better passing game than whitts ffs.

Our players show each other no team ethic or respect, they pass the buck, get rid of the ball as quick as possible , take no responsibility and pass to team mates who are then under more pressure than the passer .

When the first goal went in Whitts chin hit his chest he through hIs arms up like a petulant young kid (we all remember him from our younger days )the one when things were not going his way would pick up the ball and shout your not playing no more its my ball and im going home .

Where was our captain cajoling and egging his team on I will tell you nowhere to be heard thats where (if hes a captain im elvis pressley).
Manga cost us two goals yesterday by not making challenges when he was in a position to , did trollpoe tell to do that , no he didn't.

Noone kept losing the ball , did trollope tell to do that, no he didn't.

I could go on and on with examples.

If the players are purposely not playing for trollope for what ever reasons how would changing the manager make any difference
as they might have the same reasons not to put in a shift for a new manager.

Do you really think these players would react favaroubly to having there arses kicked or extra training etc.

Imo they would down tools and get a hard task master the sack.

Senior players are letting the owner the manager the fans and themselves down,until the players get a better attitude on the pitch we are in trouble.

Unfortunately in this industry it's the Manager who gets the blame and ultimately loses his job.....

I agree with you to a certain extent as any decent leaders and players would try and influence things themselves without having to be told what to do by a manager.......

but Trollope picks the team and he's not picking any on field leaders

Unfortunately in this industry it's the Manager who gets the blame and ultimately loses his job

He's not our manager though hes a coach and that's all he is, that's why we are in this mess imo

Unfortunately in this industry it's the Manager who gets the blame and ultimately loses his job.....

I agree with you to a certain extent as any decent leaders and players would try and influence things themselves without having to be told what to do by a manager.......

but Trollope picks the team and he's not picking any on field leaders

The only player yesterday worth his wages was o keefe
he put a shift in
he tried geeing up the rest got stuck in but got no help
give the captaincy to him I say

if the players are as bad under another manager then supporters will turn on them, we have had it good for a few years now but I never thought it would get this bad again , very sad

Steve, I agree with your OP

Trollope is not the best out there but the players and specifically a lack of a strike force (Lambert and a trying but wasteful Noone apart) are having a heavy affect on the results. I haven't seen City played off the park so far this season and it seems we fade rapidly in the second half of games

I have been told that the players "feel shattered" come match day after some pretty heavy training sessions but they really need to roll their sleeves up and start being counted, starting with the captain Morrison, who has been surprisingly ineffective in that role to date!

The players have to take some of the blame but it's the managers (coach) fault. Always has been, always will.
He picks the team and sets it up. If Noone keeps giving the ball away - for example - then what does the manager do? He picks him the following game and then - the one after that.
Trollopes fault.

Steve, I agree with your OP

Trollope is not the best out there but the players and specifically a lack of a strike force (Lambert and a trying but wasteful Noone apart) are having a heavy affect on the results. I haven't seen City played off the park so far this season and it seems we fade rapidly in the second half of games

I have been told that the players "feel shattered" come match day after some pretty heavy training sessions but they really need to roll their sleeves up and start being counted, starting with the captain Morrison, who has been surprisingly ineffective in that role to date!

Trollope would never have been my choice, but agree with everything here. Personally, I don't think our squad is good enough to challenge the top half of this division, and I believe whoever our manager is will struggle to get into the top twelve or so places with these players.

Steve, I agree with your OP

Trollope is not the best out there but the players and specifically a lack of a strike force (Lambert and a trying but wasteful Noone apart) are having a heavy affect on the results. I haven't seen City played off the park so far this season and it seems we fade rapidly in the second half of games

I have been told that the players "feel shattered" come match day after some pretty heavy training sessions but they really need to roll their sleeves up and start being counted, starting with the captain Morrison, who has been surprisingly ineffective in that role to date!

WTF is this new conditioning bloke from Liverpool doing then? Flogging the until they drop?

If that is the case then his methods are not working, and if it's not the case it's just another feeble excuse by players to say they "feel shattered".

If they were shattered because they were chasing hard all game, closing down opponents and trying to win the ball back high up the field when they lose it, then I could have some sympathy with these "professional sportsmen" feeling tired.

But our players do none of those things.

It is indeed the player's fault. And it's the manager's fault because he's unwilling or unable to do anything about it. Give some of the youngsters a chance - Start Ajeyi and Kadeem -they can't do any worse than the clowns who play every week.

And of course it's the owners fault for appointing managers who are not up to the task of managing a team in this division.

This is 100pc Trollope own doing, here are few reasons why...

1 - pre season was spent with Wales therefore he wasn't focused on Cardiff

2 - every game he tries a new formation no wonder the players don't seem to know what they are doing

3 - players are also changing all the time, there is no consistency on the pitch

Points 2 and 3 should have been sorted pre season, I blame Trollope but I also blame Tan! How Tan has become a millionaire is beyond me as the why he runs Cardiff is shambolic and we deserve to be where we are in the league.

There is no visible game plan though, what are Trollops beliefs ?

A hybrid system designed to maximize the impact of a genuine world class player in a team of motivated workers, like Wales ? Because if it is, we haven't got a premiership standard player on our books who's talents we need to maximize !!!

If our best player is Lambert then we need to build a system to maximize his attributes, so we need pace and legs around him which is probably best served with the old fashioned 442, except we have two shit backs ups as target men and no poacher/finishers at all on the books.

I don't think its necessarily the players fault. We have a lot of square pegs in round holes. For example what are the following players best position

Whitts -
Gunnar -
Ralls -
O'Keefe-
Immers -
Pilkington-

A lot of salary there........

Then add those who are probably not championship standard

John
Kennedy
Harris
Zahore
Fred G

But can i blame the coach as Pep or Jose would probably have trouble creating something with our unbalanced squad


We are just a mess

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I wasn't at the game yesterday so I have waited until I have watched the full match on Cardiff City player before posting a reply to this thread.

Firstly I would agree that both goals scored by Burton can be put down firmly and squarely to either individual mistakes, lack of committed defending or a mixture of both. In that respect I would say Manga, Morrison and Peltier need to reflect on their contribution to the defeat yesterday. The first goal was down firmly to what looked like a could'nt be asked to make a challange by Manga, yes Peltier could have done better with his attempted header, maybe Declan John should have done better and at least try and block the cross but, Manga, well there was absolutely no desire to block what shot and if anything he decided to pull out of the challenge. Unacceptable at any level.

The 2nd goal well again Manga gave away a needless freekick for shirt pulling but, then from a floated freekick Morrison and Peltier despite having a 2 on 1 advantage they allowed the Burton lad an easy header and with Manga completely switched off it was an easy header to score the 2nd goal.

Compare that against a couple of first half incidents where Burton defenders flew into challenges to block shots from both Whittingham and Noone and it's impossible not to agree the manager, teammates, owner and fans all deserve better than the pathetic efforts of some of our players to stop them scoring.

As regards the overall performance to me it was a mirror image of EVERY game I have seen this season, when I looked at the team I thought good 4-3-3 and that we were there to have a go. The reality was it played as a 4-5-1 with Lambert isolated for long periods of the game and I cannot remember a single instance where Immers or Noone were every running beyond Lambert. Another thing that absolutely stood out was the now predictable slow transition of the ball from back to front, this season our team will NEVER use one good old fashioned hoof up field before the ball has been passed backwards and sideways at least 30 times, sorry but it seems like that, all of this taking place in our half and in front of our opponents. In my opinion this is not down to the players the buck stops firmly and square at PT door and as nothing has changed after 12 games you can only reasonably conclude that PT is happy with the tactics.

As regards Whittingham well from what I saw in the video he together with Lambert, O'Keefe, Immers and Noone were the only players who looked for the ball, yes Whitts showed frustration, it was clear on the video after the 2nd goal, but he kept showing for the ball until the last kick. This description of a petulant child simply has no basis in fact when you watch the video.

Steve that is very true. Let's look who is to blame firstly we have Tan who is 99% to blame, then down the line you have Trollepe and his shit tactics shit team selections and shit substitutions, then you have the players who get payed the big bucks that us supporters can only dream of. They are all to blame, whilst us mugs spend our hard earned money backing that lot who couldn't give a rats arse.
Yes Cardiff fans are pissed off and they let it know yesterday afternoon. Were Trollepe and the players offended by what we sang ? I should bloody well hope so. And I hope the message got back to that tw*t back in Malaysia as well.

Steve that is very true. Let's look who is to blame firstly we have Tan who is 99% to blame, then down the line you have Trollepe and his shit tactics shit team selections and shit substitutions, then you have the players who get payed the big bucks that us supporters can only dream of. They are all to blame, whilst us mugs spend our hard earned money backing that lot who couldn't give a rats arse.
Yes Cardiff fans are pissed off and they let it know yesterday afternoon. Were Trollepe and the players offended by what we sang ? I should bloody well hope so. And I hope the message got back to that tw*t back in Malaysia as well.

What position was Tan playing yesterday?

Steve that is very true. Let's look who is to blame firstly we have Tan who is 99% to blame, then down the line you have Trollepe and his shit tactics shit team selections and shit substitutions, then you have the players who get payed the big bucks that us supporters can only dream of. They are all to blame, whilst us mugs spend our hard earned money backing that lot who couldn't give a rats arse.
Yes Cardiff fans are pissed off and they let it know yesterday afternoon. Were Trollepe and the players offended by what we sang ? I should bloody well hope so. And I hope the message got back to that tw*t back in Malaysia as well.

What position was Tan playing yesterday?

Well for a start he appointed Trollepe smart arse

Steve that is very true. Let's look who is to blame firstly we have Tan who is 99% to blame, then down the line you have Trollepe and his shit tactics shit team selections and shit substitutions, then you have the players who get payed the big bucks that us supporters can only dream of. They are all to blame, whilst us mugs spend our hard earned money backing that lot who couldn't give a rats arse.
Yes Cardiff fans are pissed off and they let it know yesterday afternoon. Were Trollepe and the players offended by what we sang ? I should bloody well hope so. And I hope the message got back to that tw*t back in Malaysia as well.

What position was Tan playing yesterday?

Well for a start he appointed Trollepe smart arse

You sure Choo or Dalman didn't do that?

"99% Tans fault" total rubbish. The players we have we should be mid table, Tan has given us plenty of resources to achieve that, he's done his bit. Unless he's been playing right back then it's not wholly his fault we are where we are.

Unfortunately in this industry it's the Manager who gets the blame and ultimately loses his job.....

I agree with you to a certain extent as any decent leaders and players would try and influence things themselves without having to be told what to do by a manager.......

but Trollope picks the team and he's not picking any on field leaders

The only player yesterday worth his wages was o keefe
he put a shift in
he tried geeing up the rest got stuck in but got no help
give the captaincy to him I say

Fantastic suggestion! O'Keefe for CAPTAIN

As regards the overall performance to me it was a mirror image of EVERY game I have seen this season, when I looked at the team I thought good 4-3-3 and that we were there to have a go. The reality was it played as a 4-5-1 with Lambert isolated for long periods of the game and I cannot remember a single instance where Immers or Noone were every running beyond Lambert. Another thing that absolutely stood out was the now predictable slow transition of the ball from back to front, this season our team will NEVER use one good old fashioned hoof up field before the ball has been passed backwards and sideways at least 30 times, sorry but it seems like that, all of this taking place in our half and in front of our opponents. In my opinion this is not down to the players the buck stops firmly and square at PT door and as nothing has changed after 12 games you can only reasonably conclude that PT is happy with the tactics.

This is a (part) post which I couldn't agree more with and really gets to the on field problem. Personally I believe we are too distracted with trying to blame the committee, Tan, Choo the tea lady when there is an obvious Elephant in the room.

It is the way we play which is causing all our problems. I bet if we could ask Russell Slade why he played the way we did last season he would tell us the players we have can't play any other way. Our only route to success is to be difficult to beat and nick the odd set piece goal because we simply don't have the players to craft out chances in open play.

We saw it last season and we have seen it in every game this season. Playing 'keep ball' is not a problem but can do nothing constructive with the possession. If we want to get out of this hole then we will have to be more direct which means playing Harris for starters and probably jettisoning Whittingham and Ralls as they are far too slow.

We have a reasonable Keeper but the back 4 is very suspect so they need more protection from midfield. To get out of this mess we will have to revert to 'boring' football for this season.

As regards the overall performance to me it was a mirror image of EVERY game I have seen this season, when I looked at the team I thought good 4-3-3 and that we were there to have a go. The reality was it played as a 4-5-1 with Lambert isolated for long periods of the game and I cannot remember a single instance where Immers or Noone were every running beyond Lambert. Another thing that absolutely stood out was the now predictable slow transition of the ball from back to front, this season our team will NEVER use one good old fashioned hoof up field before the ball has been passed backwards and sideways at least 30 times, sorry but it seems like that, all of this taking place in our half and in front of our opponents. In my opinion this is not down to the players the buck stops firmly and square at PT door and as nothing has changed after 12 games you can only reasonably conclude that PT is happy with the tactics.

It is the way we play which is causing all our problems. I bet if we could ask Russell Slade why he played the way we did last season he would tell us the players we have can't play any other way. Our only route to success is to be difficult to beat and nick the odd set piece goal because we simply don't have the players to craft out chances in open play.

Rubbish. Slade played that way because he knows no other way. It's what he's done in his 20 odd years of mediocrity.

He's managing a Charlton side who went up as Champions of the league they are in now 18 months ago, has been given plenty of money to spend, so fined the divisions top scorer from last season and guess what? He's playing the same negative crap he's played at every club he's been at.

Unfortunately in this industry it's the Manager who gets the blame and ultimately loses his job.....

I agree with you to a certain extent as any decent leaders and players would try and influence things themselves without having to be told what to do by a manager.......

but Trollope picks the team and he's not picking any on field leaders

The only player yesterday worth his wages was o keefe
he put a shift in
he tried geeing up the rest got stuck in but got no help
give the captaincy to him I say

Fantastic suggestion! O'Keefe for CAPTAIN

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As regards the overall performance to me it was a mirror image of EVERY game I have seen this season, when I looked at the team I thought good 4-3-3 and that we were there to have a go. The reality was it played as a 4-5-1 with Lambert isolated for long periods of the game and I cannot remember a single instance where Immers or Noone were every running beyond Lambert. Another thing that absolutely stood out was the now predictable slow transition of the ball from back to front, this season our team will NEVER use one good old fashioned hoof up field before the ball has been passed backwards and sideways at least 30 times, sorry but it seems like that, all of this taking place in our half and in front of our opponents. In my opinion this is not down to the players the buck stops firmly and square at PT door and as nothing has changed after 12 games you can only reasonably conclude that PT is happy with the tactics.

It is the way we play which is causing all our problems. I bet if we could ask Russell Slade why he played the way we did last season he would tell us the players we have can't play any other way. Our only route to success is to be difficult to beat and nick the odd set piece goal because we simply don't have the players to craft out chances in open play.

Rubbish. Slade played that way because he knows no other way. It's what he's done in his 20 odd years of mediocrity.

He's managing a Charlton side who went up as Champions of the league they are in now 18 months ago, has been given plenty of money to spend, so fined the divisions top scorer from last season and guess what? He's playing the same negative crap he's played at every club he's been at.

It doesn't matter if Slade only knows one way to play it was that system which got the best out of this set of players and got us to an 8th place position.

That is the point I'm making this team can't play 'evolving' football or whatever it is called these days they need to be more defensive and direct to get results, if not performances or entertainment.