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" The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:59 pm

" The Fish Rots From The Head "

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A well known expression in the business world is "The Fish Rots From The Head" and it means when an organisation is failing it is the leadership which is the root cause. In my opinion the "Fish" that is Cardiff City Football Club is rotting and the person responsible is VT. I say this because he owns the club and, he makes the decisions regarding who he puts into the "Executive" positions to manage the day to day affairs of the club and he has made a pigs ear of it over and over again.

Our current CEO is, in my opinion, a classic example of this and whilst he is a charming man, an experienced business administrator, a very good PR man, sadly he is a man with absolutely no experience of understanding the requirements needed for a club to " Compete" in the EFL Championship or, at any level higher or lower.The friendly smile together with his charming and engaging persona will take him so far but, when it comes to football, in my opinion, he is not even borderline capable, he is incapable and unfit for purpose.

I nearly PMSL when I read his "Welcome Home" notes in the QPR programme in particular this section;

From Cardiff City match programme
There's a sense of 'new beginnings' at Cardiff City this summer, with a number of changes having been made to the coaching staff and playing personnel that we feel have been of significant benefit to our chances on the field. The appointment of Paul Trollope as our new Head Coach at the start of the summer was one that we wanted to make quickly. Tan Sri Vincent Tan, the Board and I felt that Paul was the correct choice for us, particularly in the light of the respect he has amongst the staff and players and, of course, his knowledge of the club and his commitment to attractive, evolved, football.




New Beginings, Significant Benefit, Attractive, evolved, football, Really :shock: In my opinion this is why so many fans feel they are treated like mushrooms and fed nothing but, lets face it "Good Old Fashioned Bullshit" delivered by a "Good Old Fashioned Snake Oil Salesman"

I would love to know when VT, The Board and Ken Choo think the football will have "Evolved" to the point where the team can "Compete" on the field of play and, exactly where the club will be by the time this process of evolution is complete.

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Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:39 pm

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "
Link
http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2016/09/2 ... diff-city/ :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:58 pm

The buck always stops at the top, without doubt. :thumbup:

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:00 pm

Stringfellow wrote:The buck always stops at the top, without doubt. :thumbup:



100% Agree Gareth,try telling Tans followers on here.

As usual Gary has posted an honest/true post about City,he's always honest with it,if we like it or not. :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:06 pm

castleblue wrote:" The Fish Rots From The Head "

Cardiff City


A well known expression in the business world is "The Fish Rots From The Head" and it means when an organisation is failing it is the leadership which is the root cause. In my opinion the "Fish" that is Cardiff City Football Club is rotting and the person responsible is VT. I say this because he owns the club and, he makes the decisions regarding who he puts into the "Executive" positions to manage the day to day affairs of the club and he has made a pigs ear of it over and over again.

Our current CEO is, in my opinion, a classic example of this and whilst he is a charming man, an experienced business administrator, a very good PR man, sadly he is a man with absolutely no experience of understanding the requirements needed for a club to " Compete" in the EFL Championship or, at any level higher or lower.The friendly smile together with his charming and engaging persona will take him so far but, when it comes to football, in my opinion, he is not even borderline capable, he is incapable and unfit for purpose.

I nearly PMSL when I read his "Welcome Home" notes in the QPR programme in particular this section;

From Cardiff City match programme
There's a sense of 'new beginnings' at Cardiff City this summer, with a number of changes having been made to the coaching staff and playing personnel that we feel have been of significant benefit to our chances on the field. The appointment of Paul Trollope as our new Head Coach at the start of the summer was one that we wanted to make quickly. Tan Sri Vincent Tan, the Board and I felt that Paul was the correct choice for us, particularly in the light of the respect he has amongst the staff and players and, of course, his knowledge of the club and his commitment to attractive, evolved, football.




New Beginings, Significant Benefit, Attractive, evolved, football, Really :shock: In my opinion this is why so many fans feel they are treated like mushrooms and fed nothing but, lets face it "Good Old Fashioned Bullshit" delivered by a "Good Old Fashioned Snake Oil Salesman"

I would love to know when VT, The Board and Ken Choo think the football will have "Evolved" to the point where the team can "Compete" on the field of play and, exactly where the club will be by the time this process of evolution is complete.

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My thoughts exactly.

I was once told that there's no such thing as a Bad "company",,,,,,it's the people who run it that make it Bad!!!

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:05 pm

Now now you will be in the line of fire speaking out about Tan on here.
The sheep will not like this at all.

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:06 pm

Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:13 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.



We are not a team though are we? We are fractured from poor board management. If the club truly communicated their honest situation maybe we would understand where we are positioned.

Tan should and needs to make a statement of our true intentions instead of Dalman and Choo making cheap promises.

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:58 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.


I have always maintained that as fans we need to 'Affect what we can affect' and that's support the team. I'm proud of the fact that I don't walk out early if things are going badly, of the fact that I never boo the players at the end of the game and, that I will always without fail applaud the players at the end of the game.

Having said all of that after 54 years of supporting the Bluebirds I have a good feel for when things are good and when they are bad and, right now things are bad. Cardiff City Football Club, at this moment, is a failing organisation in my opinion. That's not bleating that's stating a fact and as with any failing business the buck stops with the guy at the top.

For only the 3rd time in our history we have lost 6 of our opening 10 league games, for the first time EVER no Cardiff City player has scored in our first 5 home games of the season and, we currently have a overall win % of just 18%. I'm more than prepared to debate my belief that amounts to failure and I would love anyone to offer me 3 facts that will cancel those 3 criteria I have listed.

As regards solutions I'd start with an experienced manager at this level, there are plenty about. As regards Ken Choo how about getting the guy back who left the club us a Swiss Club, can't remember his name but I'm sure Annis could help with that.


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Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:01 pm

castleblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.


I have always maintained that as fans we need to 'Affect what we can affect' and that's support the team. I'm proud of the fact that I don't walk out early if things are going badly, of the fact that I never boo the players at the end of the game and, that I will always without fail applaud the players at the end of the game.

Having said all of that after 54 years of supporting the Bluebirds I have a good feel for when things are good and when they are bad and, right now things are bad. Cardiff City Football Club, at this moment, is a failing organisation in my opinion. That's not bleating that's stating a fact and as with any failing business the buck stops with the guy at the top.

For only the 3rd time in our history we have lost 6 of our opening 10 league games, for the first time EVER no Cardiff City player has scored in our first 5 home games of the season and, we currently have a overall win % of just 18%. I'm more than prepared to debate my belief that amounts to failure and I would love anyone to offer me 3 facts that will cancel those 3 criteria I have listed.

As regards solutions I'd start with an experienced manager at this level, there are plenty about. As regards Ken Choo how about getting the guy back who left the club us a Swiss Club, can't remember his name but I'm sure Annis could help with that.


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Jenkings? The guy who was the rat and working against the club from within? Sounds like a good idea :lol:
How about letting them numbers rest for a few more games ? :ayatollah:

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:42 am

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.


I have always maintained that as fans we need to 'Affect what we can affect' and that's support the team. I'm proud of the fact that I don't walk out early if things are going badly, of the fact that I never boo the players at the end of the game and, that I will always without fail applaud the players at the end of the game.

Having said all of that after 54 years of supporting the Bluebirds I have a good feel for when things are good and when they are bad and, right now things are bad. Cardiff City Football Club, at this moment, is a failing organisation in my opinion. That's not bleating that's stating a fact and as with any failing business the buck stops with the guy at the top.

For only the 3rd time in our history we have lost 6 of our opening 10 league games, for the first time EVER no Cardiff City player has scored in our first 5 home games of the season and, we currently have a overall win % of just 18%. I'm more than prepared to debate my belief that amounts to failure and I would love anyone to offer me 3 facts that will cancel those 3 criteria I have listed.

As regards solutions I'd start with an experienced manager at this level, there are plenty about. As regards Ken Choo how about getting the guy back who left the club us a Swiss Club, can't remember his name but I'm sure Annis could help with that.


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Jenkings? The guy who was the rat and working against the club from within? Sounds like a good idea :lol:
How about letting them numbers rest for a few more games ? :ayatollah:


Julian Jenkins got him now, not sure he was a rat though, but the 10 years experience as Communication Director / Marketing Director at our club has, in my opinion, puts him streets ahead of Ken Choo in respect of a Football Club CEO.

Nowadays Julian and Barrie Macauliffe (another ex Cardiff City employee) have their own business, FANALYSE, both are experienced within sports business communication and management.


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Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:24 am

In my opinion Ken Choo does a very good job for Cardiff City as a CEO on the financial side of the operation here. Where it goes wrong is the football side - this infamous transfer committee. If it is actually true that he sits on this sub committee and helps choose players to come to this club then that is his downfall.

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:58 am

How about we start by finding someone with some serious football knowledge to sit on the committee?

Almost every Club in the land has "football" people within the boardroom somewhere along the line. We have Choo Choo,Dalman and Tan!! (the NOTSO 3 wise men)
Hence the mistakes keep happening time and time again.

Maybe someone like ...dare I say it....Dave Jones?

Next they can appoint a PROVEN manager that has "been there and done it" and ISNT a yes man or a glove puppet to Tan.

Have you noticed how the players call Trollope "Trolls" not gaffer or manager etc? Lack of respect????

This Club is on a certain road to oblivion unless things change on AND off the field.


When was the last time Wales were taken 4 times the number of away fans compared to City???? (excluding the Euros)
It shows that's fans are still watching away games cos a huge percentage of those fans are old school City diehards!!

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:42 am

castleblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.


I have always maintained that as fans we need to 'Affect what we can affect' and that's support the team. I'm proud of the fact that I don't walk out early if things are going badly, of the fact that I never boo the players at the end of the game and, that I will always without fail applaud the players at the end of the game.

Having said all of that after 54 years of supporting the Bluebirds I have a good feel for when things are good and when they are bad and, right now things are bad. Cardiff City Football Club, at this moment, is a failing organisation in my opinion. That's not bleating that's stating a fact and as with any failing business the buck stops with the guy at the top.

For only the 3rd time in our history we have lost 6 of our opening 10 league games, for the first time EVER no Cardiff City player has scored in our first 5 home games of the season and, we currently have a overall win % of just 18%. I'm more than prepared to debate my belief that amounts to failure and I would love anyone to offer me 3 facts that will cancel those 3 criteria I have listed.

As regards solutions I'd start with an experienced manager at this level, there are plenty about. As regards Ken Choo how about getting the guy back who left the club us a Swiss Club, can't remember his name but I'm sure Annis could help with that.


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I have to be honest and state why is getting rid of Choo so important to our chances on the pitch? From what I understand he is involved with all NON-FOOTBALLING matters at CCFC. We have no idea if he is doing a good job or not.

The crowd numbers are a reflection of where we are in the league. Bringing in a new CEO isn't suddenly going to bring thousands back through the turnstiles nor is a new CEO suddenly going to find a streak of honesty and state we are crap and will be in a relegation fight. Whoever the CEO is he will feed us bullshit whether its Ken Choo, Peter Ridsdale or Father Christmas.

I would state that Dalman might have something to answer for as the appointment of Paul Trollope now seems to be a huge mistake and he is apparently the man who makes footballing decisions.

I just wish that instead of finger pointing and moaning all the time we would do more ourselves to back the team. It is no surprise to me that our away form is better than our home form simply because the away fans back the team. For whatever reason we don't back our side at CCS anymore and the blame for that lies with us. So I would prefer us to sort our own mess out first before lecturing others on theirs.

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:57 am

cwmbachbluebird wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Hundreds of blame threads are all well and good but where are the solutions? Its pie in the sky to believe VT is going to wipe his debt and then sell up for a pittance just to placate fans who have never taken to him.

I would be more impressed if someone could write a piece explaining who could replace Choo and also who are these mysterious 'football people' who are out there and could run our club properly :?

The past few days have shown that football in England is riddled with possible corruption with 'snake oil salesmen' taking millions out of the game on the back of bending or breaking rules.

In some ways it is a case of be careful what you wish for.

IMO it is time to stop the bleating and concentrate on getting this club out of the mire it is currently in on the field by doing what we do best (after moaning that is) and SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM.



We are not a team though are we? We are fractured from poor board management. If the club truly communicated their honest situation maybe we would understand where we are positioned.

Tan should and needs to make a statement of our true intentions instead of Dalman and Choo making cheap promises.


I think the club has told you their intentions it’s just you don't want to listen.

We have to cut our cloth to stay within FFP which means that there will be no more big money signings (remember the not shopping at Harrods anymore?) and that has been relayed honestly several times in the past.

The club might have targeted the play-offs pre-season but that is what ALL clubs say no matter how unrealistic those aspirations are. Imagine the outcries if Choo and Dalman made a joint statement stating our players are crap and they expect them to deliver relegation.

Have the board made mistakes? For sure they have and they need to up their game big time. But I would prefer this board to the shambles this club was under PMG and Peter Ridsdale only 7 years ago when we made regular appearances in the High Court with winding up writs against us.

This season is salvageable providing we stop moaning about things we can’t influence and start doing what we do best and back the team.

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:51 pm

some top posts there!

Re: " The Fish Rots From The Head "

Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:37 am

"There's a sense of 'new beginnings' at Cardiff City this summer, with a number of changes having been made to the coaching staff and playing personnel that we feel have been of significant benefit to our chances on the field. The appointment of Paul Trollope as our new Head Coach at the start of the summer was one that we wanted to make quickly. Tan Sri Vincent Tan, the Board and I felt that Paul was the correct choice for us, particularly in the light of the respect he has amongst the staff and players and, of course, his knowledge of the club and his commitment to attractive, evolved, football."



Please can I have a tab of what this joker is obviously on.This is deeply insulting to those who pay their hard earned to watch drivel week in week out.f*cking idiot!! :twisted: :twisted: