" HONESTY/WHO IS TO BLAME? "

" HONESTY/WHO IS TO BLAME? "


As far as I am concerned as most Cardiff City fans are aware, I don't blame the managers for our current position, for me its the people at the top who are accountable for this and they call themselves the Committee.
Yes a manager and players must take some blame, but if your not good enough in the first place to manage a Championship club, you can only do your best.

Remember Our Head aka Vincent Tan of our so called Committee we have an owner who knows barely nothing about a football club even after seven years of owning Cardiff City, he is still appointing managers he can control and we have No one in my opinion who knows their football at our club?



' FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS THIS IS HOW THE NEW SET UP HAS BEEN RUNNING OUR CLUB '

In the Seven years our owner Vincent Tan has had Five managers Dave Jones,Malky Mackay,Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Russell Slade and Paul Trollope.
Cardiff City have also had Six Chief Executives.


Under our Committee, which was set up to apparently manage our club better, Cardiff have had two managers Russell Slade and Paul Trollope.

Cardiff City Club owner Vincent Tan, who is usually based in Malaysia. Plays a full part on the transfer committee - and comes up with his own ideas.

Chairman Mehmet Dalman, who lives and works in London. He is a regular visitor to Cardiff on matchdays and other occasions. Director who has powers to make executive decisions. Plays a leading role in transfer negotiations.

Chief executive Ken Choo, who works from Cardiff City Stadium. He runs the non-football side: finance, operations, commercial, legal, communications, human resources.




WHO SHOULD TAKE THE BLAME FOR OUR CURRENT POSITION ON AND OFF THE FIELD?


OPINIONS PLEASE

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" HONESTY/WHO IS TO BLAME? "


As far as I am concerned as most Cardiff City fans are aware, I don't blame the managers for our current position, for me its the people at the top who are accountable for this and they call themselves the Committee.
Yes a manager and players must take some blame, but if your not good enough in the first place to manage a Championship club, you can only do your best.

Remember Our Head aka Vincent Tan of our so called Committee we have an owner who knows barely nothing about a football club even after seven years of owning Cardiff City, he is still appointing managers he can control and we have No one in my opinion who knows their football at our club?



' FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS THIS IS HOW THE NEW SET UP HAS BEEN RUNNING OUR CLUB '

In the Seven years our owner Vincent Tan has had Five managers Dave Jones,Malky Mackay,Ole Gunnar Solskjaer,Russell Slade and Paul Trollope.
Cardiff City have also had Six Chief Executives.


Under our Committee, which was set up to apparently manage our club better, Cardiff have had two managers Russell Slade and Paul Trollope.

Cardiff City Club owner Vincent Tan, who is usually based in Malaysia. Plays a full part on the transfer committee - and comes up with his own ideas.

Chairman Mehmet Dalman, who lives and works in London. He is a regular visitor to Cardiff on matchdays and other occasions. Director who has powers to make executive decisions. Plays a leading role in transfer negotiations.

Chief executive Ken Choo, who works from Cardiff City Stadium. He runs the non-football side: finance, operations, commercial, legal, communications, human resources.




WHO SHOULD TAKE THE BLAME FOR OUR CURRENT POSITION ON AND OFF THE FIELD?


OPINIONS PLEASE

I Blame trollope and the players this year and the committee for gambling with Trollope need a proven championship manager

All 3!

There was no effort, no passion, no fight, no urgency and pace against a side who were not much better and without a manager. nobody seemed to know what shape they were supposed to be playing and apart from some effort from noone and a bit of pace from harris late on it was a shambles..........and Kenneth Zohore..........well he never had much service but apart from the fact he cant head the ball, trap the ball, shoot or dribble, he maybe has a long throw we can use. if i could not find a striker in the non league better than him id eat my stale pie i had last night.The whole club is a shambles, yes trollope should go and lawrence, but the idiots who have appointed them must go as well. And as for some people saying there were no mass calls for the manager to go......the fans were not happy at the end.....and maybe some have had the shit kicked out of them for so many years they dont know any different. take me back to the dave jones era when at least if we lost we played some football.

For the current shambles you have to blame the current coaching staff
The city squad we have is good enough to be mid table
For a start he's playing players out of position
There doesn't seem to be any pattern in our play
The players seem to be blaming each other when we concede a goal
Heads are dropping
The use of substitutes is clueless
Questions to be answered from last night
Why didn't Harris play from the start and play right wing
When Lambert was injured why wasn't Hughes brought on
For about 5 minutes last night we did attack and looked quite promising
Ralls continues to get picked yet he hasn't had a decent game for ages
Richards should have played on the right hand side and not the left last night
Manga should have played instead of Connelly
However at the moment it doesn't matter what team we put out at the moment
If you don't have any pattern of play your going to get defeated
We need to sack Trollope and Lawrence and bring an experienced manager in and let him sort out the squad we have and take it from there
Trollope has had 10 matches to sort out a good formation but instead of improving we are getting worse

The brainwave clueless clown committee of the three Amigos
* Dictator Tan
* Choo Choo
* Del Boy Dalman

Three businessmen who do not have a clue about how to run a football club. The fact they still repeatedly call the club a business shows that. If we are talking about mercenaries then Choo and Dalman top the list.

None of this will change though until Tan goes. We need somebody who is interested, capable, and willing to learn at the helm. Not an ego-tripping, megalomaniac, clueless moron at the helm.

The three blind mice

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Neil Wixon
Tan is too blame and his puppets ken choo dalman




Darren Evans ·
Ridiculous how this club has lost 13,000 + fans in a few years and it's all down to him and the running of the club fans have got pissed off with him ,it took us a few good years to build a good 24,000 plus fans base on a regular basis and he's fucked it up in a year or so and those fans don't want to come back ,they are clueless and it's needs new owners to come in a freshen things up




Paul Miller
Both of them



Steve Perry <><
The most important thinking by Tan in choosing managers was that he felt he could control them and not for their ability. In short each of our last three managers were employed above their ability, sadly.



Lauren Ann McNie Tan. Nothing will get better whilst he is still at our club... unless he has some sort of epiphany, loses his massive ego and changes his personality. However, I think we've got more of a chance of making the playoffs under the current set-up than that Dictator changing his ways.



Lewis Clark ·
Even if we sacked Trollope tomorrow it is still left up to the three amigos to pick a replacement. I for one have no faith in them being able to pick a manager that will succeed on a small budget. Rubbish situation to be in.




Gary Pinkard ·
It will always be Dictator Tans fault. In my lifetime I'll never forget the tw*t that changed our colour, badge, identity, division of fans, employed under skilled managers.....
When will it end?


Sian Branson
Out with Nash n Bawly whoever the owner is those two are a constant. our club should be in such a different position solely from a business point of view never mind going into the atrocities of our team

For the position we currently find ourselves in? It has to go down to Trollope and his coaching team.

Basic Organization and Motivation of the team and players is why we find ourselves in this position. They are to blame for the way the team is set up and performs, its as simple as that. Team and work ethic must instilled by the coaching team. That's their job. They are not getting the best out of the players available.

Boardroom issues must be taken care of by the people responsible, I honestly believe Dalman and Choo have the best intentions for Cardiff City at mind but are working within very narrow circumstances. I honestly don't have a clue about Tans intentions.

For the position we currently find ourselves in? It has to go down to Trollope and his coaching team.

Basic Organization and Motivation of the team and players is why we find ourselves in this position. They are to blame for the way the team is set up and performs, its as simple as that. Team and work ethic must instilled by the coaching team. That's their job. They are not getting the best out of the players available.

Boardroom issues must be taken care of by the people responsible, I honestly believe Dalman and Choo have the best intentions for Cardiff City at mind but are working within very narrow circumstances. I honestly don't have a clue about Tans intentions.

The owner a about board are being let down by the manger coaching staff and the players

" HONESTY/WHO IS TO BLAME? "


As far as I am concerned as most Cardiff City fans are aware, I don't blame the managers for our current position, for me its the people at the top who are accountable for this and they call themselves the Committee.
Yes a manager and players must take some blame, but if your not good enough in the first place to manage a Championship club, you can only do your best.

Remember Our Head aka Vincent Tan of our so called Committee we have an owner who knows barely nothing about a football club even after seven years of owning Cardiff City, he is still appointing managers he can control and we have No one in my opinion who knows their football at our club?



' FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS THIS IS HOW THE NEW SET UP HAS BEEN RUNNING OUR CLUB '

In the Seven years our owner Vincent Tan has had Five managers Dave Jones,Malky Mackay,Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Russell Slade and Paul Trollope.
Cardiff City have also had Six Chief Executives.


Under our Committee, which was set up to apparently manage our club better, Cardiff have had two managers Russell Slade and Paul Trollope.

Cardiff City Club owner Vincent Tan, who is usually based in Malaysia. Plays a full part on the transfer committee - and comes up with his own ideas.

Chairman Mehmet Dalman, who lives and works in London. He is a regular visitor to Cardiff on matchdays and other occasions. Director who has powers to make executive decisions. Plays a leading role in transfer negotiations.

Chief executive Ken Choo, who works from Cardiff City Stadium. He runs the non-football side: finance, operations, commercial, legal, communications, human resources.




WHO SHOULD TAKE THE BLAME FOR OUR CURRENT POSITION ON AND OFF THE FIELD?


OPINIONS PLEASE

Got to agree, whatever business buck always stops with the man at the top. That's a fact.

Everyone associated from top to bottom should be taking a long hard look at themselves.

They all must be ashamed.

And, perhaps more importantly, if they are not then they shouldn't be anywhere near the club.

Possibly a tad harsh, but it's how I see it.

For the position we currently find ourselves in? It has to go down to Trollope and his coaching team.

Basic Organization and Motivation of the team and players is why we find ourselves in this position. They are to blame for the way the team is set up and performs, its as simple as that. Team and work ethic must instilled by the coaching team. That's their job. They are not getting the best out of the players available.

Boardroom issues must be taken care of by the people responsible, I honestly believe Dalman and Choo have the best intentions for Cardiff City at mind but are working within very narrow circumstances. I honestly don't have a clue about Tans intentions.

All the comments so far are valid but if you pick it all apart to find the root cause of this mess you come up with one name - Vincent Tan, he appointed the puppets and the Manager

For the position we currently find ourselves in? It has to go down to Trollope and his coaching team.

Basic Organization and Motivation of the team and players is why we find ourselves in this position. They are to blame for the way the team is set up and performs, its as simple as that. Team and work ethic must instilled by the coaching team. That's their job. They are not getting the best out of the players available.

Boardroom issues must be taken care of by the people responsible, I honestly believe Dalman and Choo have the best intentions for Cardiff City at mind but are working within very narrow circumstances. I honestly don't have a clue about Tans intentions.

The owner a about board are being let down by the manger coaching staff and the players

Wez, What that's Five managers you've now said have let him down?

Who employed the managers?

I blame the manager for failing and Tan for choosing him.
But if Trollope was a success would the regular club knockers even mention Tan?
Same as when we lose its Tan picking the team but when we win no mention of Tan
Be consistant

Its too late to worry who's to blame , we've gone past the blame game.
Something needs to be done NOW.
The manager is not up to the job, the CEO,Chairman and owner, need to face it, mistakes have been made.
Leave it any longer and it will be too late.
I think we will lose to Burton,who will be up for it,with two ex Cardiff players, who would love to put one over us.
By the international break we will be bottom of the table.
There must be a manager out there, who can save us and get the underperforming players , playing to their full potential.

Tan - for the way he has ripped the soul from the club and appointed bum after bum since malkay and also gets to involved with every day running of the club

Dalman - the guy was saying how he hand picked ole at the time and we all seen how well that went, then he refused to be part of the choice for next manager which ended up being slade, has little football knowledge and other than the odd interview what does he actually do? and before ppl say he discusses deals i bet you any agent or club that sees our trio of imbeciles turn up to negotiate a deal are rubbing their hands together

choo - the guy is the ultimate yes man, come in like he had the best for the club at heart but clearly doesnt have the bottle to stand up to tan or any of the stupid decisions he has made

Trollope - totally out of his depth, gd coach shit manager, said he had a style of play and we would have an identity results forced him to change this shape and style he kept bangging on about and now looks to have lost the dressing room as well as forcing our only goal threat to play injured, the guy couldnt win a game on fifa ffs

The brainwave clueless clown committee of the three Amigos
* Dictator Tan
* Choo Choo
* Del Boy Dalman

This

There have been any number of mistakes over the last 4 years by a large number of people.

However don't let that hide the current problem. The squad is simply underperforming and that either falls at the feet of the manager or players.

My honest, personal opinion is that Trollope can neither organise or motivate. Does anyone think that we would be in this mess with the same players and Warnock/Pullis in charge ?

I hate Warnock and his teams but he would galvanise and find a system to get results.

So the current responsibility has to lie with Trollope and he should now, before it's too late.

This isn't going to be a popular answer but after getting us back to blue, VT openly said he will be putting no more money in. He currently is, as he has to to keep us afloat. He told us we'd be in s better financial position when he leaves and I believe we will be IMHO. He is now running the club more prudently and the cost cutting measures were absolutely necessary under the circumstances.
The trouble is, by doing all of the above the club is haemorrhaging fans.

Whatever anyone says about MM being a fantastic manager is wide of the mark I believe as it was his 'mess up' mid season that sent us on a downward spiral leading to him being sacked. MD apparently picked OGS and threw money at him to get us back to the Prem. He basically cocked it up, big time and we're paying the price now. VT went for cheap option in RS and it sort of worked as we slashed wage bill and got s few quod in through sales and we held our league position.

This year, more players have gone to balance books and the cheap option manager plainly isn't working.

Our problem is that VT will almost certainly go for another cheap option if PT is sacked - maybe LL.
I do think we'll be relegated and I think we could do a Coventry and go down again as I'm not sure the bulk of our players are good enough and the others don't have the nerve for the fight.

The blame starts with Tan through to Delm & Choo and finally with Trollope on the playing side. How Tan has been successful in other businesses is shocking because everything he touches involved in Cardiff city turns to crap. The same for Delm & Choo most people would have got the sack a long time ago, and why the need for both of them surely, just one of them could do the job or bad job should I say I'm just not sure what there benefit is to the club. Most fans new what we were getting with Trollope yet these three couldn't see it. Trollope might be a decent enough coach, but he can't manage and should have gone along with Slade. For the first time we had an owner with money but for all the years we built getting up to the championship, a new stadium and a decent fan base its been destroyed. It's going to take something big to change things around which is sad because all it needed was some investment everything else was in place.

The brainwave clueless clown committee of the three Amigos
* Dictator Tan
* Choo Choo
* Del Boy Dalman

This

Agree.

I don't understand Annis. Isn't this what you wanted, loved, to have us back to Blue at any cost. We'd rather be blue in division 2?

Of course mate there are many equations, but are you saying G that Leanne Laurence knows nothing about football?

We will watch the bluebirds play on Div 2, and face Millwall, and in our 50's we can run uo and down the High street swigging our lager screaming City til I die, I'm city til I die!! Lol

Thatcher

Everything goes back to those at the top. No point in just blaming things like FFP etc. and Trollope. Who is to blame for us falling foul of FFP rules? Who appointed the manager in the first place? Why have'nt we go someone with football experience making important decisions? I think everyone knows the answer to that.

Everything goes back to those at the top. No point in just blaming things like FFP etc. and Trollope. Who is to blame for us falling foul of FFP rules? Who appointed the manager in the first place? Why have'nt we go someone with football experience making important decisions? I think everyone knows the answer to that.

Exactly Steve

The problem is too much talk of blame and not enough effort to put things right.

When I was in the Army my Sgt. Major once told me that "bitching all day gets f**k all done, if you want to change something get off your arse and do something about it".

As fans all we can do is turn up and for once start supporting the team moaning will produce the square sum of sod all.

Christ when will we learn?

Whoever makes up the Transfer Committee is to blame for our current league position as we did not strengthen sufficiently in the summer, especially in the striker department.

Don't forget we finished 8th last season, only a few points away from the play-offs so it wasn't all bad until only recently.

The problem is too much talk of blame and not enough effort to put things right.

When I was in the Army my Sgt. Major once told me that "bitching all day gets f**k all done, if you want to change something get off your arse and do something about it".

As fans all we can do is turn up and for once start supporting the team moaning will produce the square sum of sod all.

Christ when will we learn?

What can we as fans change? We are giving our money to the club, going to watch them every week, not much more we can do. If we are served up absolute dross week in week out, we have a right to complain. People who don't turn up but still moan can do something about it, but I don't see what else those of us who follow them regularly can do. The one thing I think fans should'nt do is to have a go at players during the game. With confidence already low, as long as a player is giving 100% he can't do any more. I think we have a right to complain. We are not the ones who caused the club to fall foul of the FFP rules, and we are not responsible for appointing a manager already deemed not good enough for a club playing at a lower level than us.