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WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:05 pm

Why Cardiff City FC should sack Paul Trollope now!

By Haydn Atkins



If you’re a Cardiff City fan, the chances are that you haven’t enjoyed the start to the current Championship campaign.

The Bluebirds sit rooted to the bottom of the Championship table having only won once in eight attempts, and it’s clear the pressure is beginning to build on manager Paul Trollope.

Some sections of the Cardiff support have began to call for his head in what has been a disastrous start to the new season and looking at their results, it’s easy to see why some fans are growing increasingly weary.

They’ve got some seriously tough fixtures on the horizon and with a crunch tie against fellow strugglers Rotherham coming up, fans are really starting to imagine life under a new manager.

Who they’d bring in is a question for another day but we believe Trollope’s tenure should come to an end relatively soon.

So with that in mind, here’s THREE reasons why Cardiff City must sack Paul Trollope as soon as possible…



HE’S LOST THE FANS’ SUPPORT

If you log into any Cardiff City forum, website or social media page, it’s clear to see big pockets of Cardiff’s fanbase have lost faith in their under-fire boss.

But the real show of support is at the Cardiff City Stadium where atmosphere’s are depleting, crowds are becoming more and more lacklustre, and fans are quickly getting on the backs of the players.

It’s easy to turn a club’s fortunes around if you have the support of the fans but in Trollope’s case, it seems the only direction the fans want him going is through the exit.



THE TEAM AREN’T SCORING GOALS

Six goals in nine games (In all competitions) just isn’t enough and it’s the sort of showing you’d expect from a side rooted to the bottom of the Premier League table.

The signing of Rickie Lambert towards the end of the transfer window will undoubtedly help, but Frédéric Gounongbe and Kenneth Zohore just haven’t been putting the ball away as the season has gotten underway.

It’s going to be a real problem if the trip can’t score and Trollope must face the rap.

Gounongbe and Zohore were both little known signings from Belgium and a lack of English experience has really seen Cardiff struggle.



HE’S FAILED TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN HIS PLAYERS

When you’re a manager whose squad are underperforming, it’s easy for fans to point the finger at the man in charge.

But you can tell by the way the Cardiff lads carry themselves that confidence is seriously low and that’s got to come back to the manager.

Trollope is a good guy who has a promising managerial career ahead but something about him and this group of players isn’t working.

They’re heading in one direction and the club need to make a change.

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:10 pm

I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:27 pm

Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:33 pm

We've just replaced one low budget manager with another. All we would do is exactly the same thing again, and usually if you keep doing the same thing you keep getting the same result.

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:38 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need


I think there's an argument for both, I think if you mash your two opinions together then you get a valid theory.

Yes we need investment, yes we need football people running the club. 8 games in we should allow a manager to have abit longer to bed in his ideas.

I think we forget PT didn't sell the players, infact PT probably didn't ask for the players he got - he didn't ask for new players so close to the end of the Window, in order to reeducate the new guys on his philosophy.

You don't just give a person a pen and expect them to write after all...

And i don't want to sound like PTs biggest fan, but managers manage the people, they don't appoint them, I think there is only one old school club in Britain where the manager runs the whole club - Arsenal- he's a head coach more than a manager.

This whole 8 games and sack a manager tripe is one of the reasons our game is in free fall and we have to put up with stagnant drivel - coaches are to scared to take a risk just encase there head roles from dictator like owners - end rant :thumbright:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:41 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need





Explain "clueless", fella. Thank you :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:48 pm

Sven wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need





Explain "clueless", fella. Thank you :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Not quite sure why anyone would call somebody clueless here. Nothing particularly controversial in the post, just an opinion which is something most of us have.

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:02 pm

Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:


That's how I feel too I think the club know what Trollope is trying to instill a new philosophy in the club and know that it will take time and they will reap the rewards over time when they have given PT time to do it. :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:15 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Sven wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need





Explain "clueless", fella. Thank you :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Not quite sure why anyone would call somebody clueless here. Nothing particularly controversial in the post, just an opinion which is something most of us have.




Steve, that's Angelis all over, I'm afraid :roll:

We can't all agree all of the time but there should be a respect, so long as those opinions are genuine and any counter argument/post is put in a way that adds value to the debate and don't belittle it :ayatollah:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:17 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:


That's how I feel too I think the club know what Trollope is trying to instill a new philosophy in the club and know that it will take time and they will reap the rewards over time when they have given PT time to do it. :thumbright: :ayatollah:




Ryan, on this we agree! :thumbup:

Sadly, the issues at the moment are not all of Paul Trollope's making. They are more deep rooted and inherent than that! :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:21 pm

Sven wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:


That's how I feel too I think the club know what Trollope is trying to instill a new philosophy in the club and know that it will take time and they will reap the rewards over time when they have given PT time to do it. :thumbright: :ayatollah:




Ryan, on this we agree! :thumbup:

Sadly, the issues at the moment are not all of Paul Trollope's making. They are more deep rooted and inherent than that! :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


The biggest one for me is that the squad is unbalanced and lack of pace in the team and needs a transfer window or two to rectify it and I think well hopefully the club realize that and PT get the right players in to really help him put a stamp on things. :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:28 pm

I've pressed the panic button. I'm concerned.

While I can appreciate what PT is trying to implement, I fail to see how and where it will work. I don't think he knows his best xi He certainly doesn't know his best centre back pairing consistently swapping and changing. Cbs need time to form a partnership, the 3 cbs is not working and our current defenders are not comfortable with it. We start the first 10-15 mins well the the opposition snuff us out and adapt. We can't cope with that and we are far too predictable in our play. We don't really have a proper plan a yet and at half time when we come out we certainly don't have a plan b, especially when we are behind.

Changes/subs are far too slow and IMO more impulse than tactical.

PT is a decent number 2, but that's all he will be IMO. he either needs someone in to work with him now or he needs to be moved on. There is no evidence from what I've seen in those 9 games inc.cup that we can turn things around. I generally worry that we don't move the ball quick enough, we play far too many players out of position and don't get enough balls in and around the opposing box.

We have pretty much the same staff as last year minus slade who although not much at this level had bags of managerial game time.

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again yet expecting a different result. This system we are trying to play, doesn't work, doesn't suit our players and we don't have the personnel to pull it off. There is no unit, there is no spine to our team. by leaving it until Xmas we could seriously have too much to do. We won't be able to spend in Jan if we are reportedly losing 1mil per month and teams will be reluctant to allow loans at that point of the season. I don't see where the turnaround in our results or performances will come from..

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Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:47 pm

Sven wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need





Explain "clueless", fella. Thank you :thumbup: :ayatollah:

I will never feel the need to justify my comments to you or anyone else,if you disagree with me,that's your progitve but I refuse to debate my opinion of you being clueless

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:04 am

angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need





Explain "clueless", fella. Thank you :thumbup: :ayatollah:

I will never feel the need to justify my comments to you or anyone else,if you disagree with me,that's your progitve but I refuse to debate my opinion of you being clueless




That's because you simply cannot! As usual, you opened your 'Size 10' and failed to follow up! :oops:

And it's prerogative ("a right or privilege exclusive to a particular individual") which is something you clearly don't believe is truly the right of others, despite what you wrote above! ;) :roll:

Clueless for holding an opinion different to your own?? :?

Nah, I don't think so...which, of course, is my prerogative! ;) :lol:

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:10 am

Explain "clueless", fella. Thank you :thumbup: :ayatollah:[/quote]
Not quite sure why anyone would call somebody clueless here. Nothing particularly controversial in the post, just an opinion which is something most of us have.[/quote]



Steve, that's Angelis all over, I'm afraid :roll:

We can't all agree all of the time but there should be a respect, so long as those opinions are genuine and any counter argument/post is put in a way that adds value to the debate and don't belittle it :ayatollah:[/quote]





Haha, Sven you're the worst on here for not respecting other people's opinions or views...
I quote: is this a serious post? :shock:

We've won 1 solitary game and only because the opposition scored 2 own goals.
Trollope has already had long enough. He wasn't good enough for Rovers and he was also to blame for shocking stuff we played last season.
City (in my opinion Sven) have 3 choices...
1. Try and get someone in who's decent (Pulis) but financially most probably a non starter.
2. As a short term solution to stop the slide into oblivion, get someone like Warnock in to create a winning atmosphere and at the same time, kick a few lazy arses.
3. Go for a longer term but cheaper option like Ollie.

Trouble is, without some serious investment to strengthen the team, we are doomed.
In the meantime I'll continue to watch Ralls play week in week out and our non pacy flying wingbacks who are afraid to go forward. Surprised that most of the negativity on here is aimed solely at our forward line. As now Rickie is aware, they need better service. It's our midfield that's where all our problems lie.

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:22 am

He keeps saying the word manager which PT is not. He's a coach that's all he is so I can't take half of the op seriously. Two different things you can not compare. But as expected he's the face for the flack when others decisions ain't working.

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:52 am

Bluebird1977 wrote:He keeps saying the word manager which PT is not. He's a coach that's all he is so I can't take half of the op seriously. Two different things you can not compare. But as expected he's the face for the flack when others decisions ain't working.


Great stuff!!

Really the people who should be sacked first and foremost are the people who make the appointments of coaches and playing staff - if we did that then it would revolutionise football!!

Starts from the top up but only Tan can do that.

Re: WHY CITY MUST SACK PAUL TROLLOPE NOW...

Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:21 am

angelis1949 wrote:
Sven wrote:I personally actually don't agree with this but it's out there for debate...

IMHO there is no point in sacking Paul Trollope at this point, as he is still moulding his squad and tactics

Disappointing start, of course, but I'm not pressing the panic button quite yet and I honestly believe PT will be given until the end of the season regardless whilst the club's hierarchy clearly focus solely on finances

My understanding is that the squad are still pretty close-knit, albeit a little disappointed with David Marshall's departure and I believe there is a desire to 'put things right'

Only time will tell, but I agree with those that say our overall play isn't that bad so far :ayatollah:

You really are clueless,but in one thing your correct,sacking Trollope in isolation would not be enough,we desperately need new owners who would be willing to employ a competent manager with sufficient funds to invest in some quality players that we also desperately need


And you wonder why people are queuing up to have a go at you.I wouldn't regard Sven as clueless.As for your alternatives we would have a better chance of signing Messi than finding a new owner that fits your bill.I've been watching the city over 40yrs and never in my time were never those kind of people queuing up to buy us let alone invest in players.