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' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:42 am

The Cardiff City jigsaw still doesn't fit together as fans forced to wait for new identity to bring results

Vincent Tan, Dalman and Choo along with Trollope have promised Cardiff fans a new identity.

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Sunday 11th September 2016

BY CHRIS WATHAN

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Rickie Lambert was described as the final piece in Paul Trollope’s Cardiff City jigsaw.

This defeat proves the Bluebirds are still trying to piece things together.

And, as defeat at Norwich made it back-to-back losses, it’s clear it’s still going to take time for it all to fit and the picture under the new manager to become clear.

As much as Cardiff have been crying out for a No 9 to make things work, it was always a tad optimistic to think that Lambert’s arrival would offer a quick fix to a long-term change.

Granted, he looked far more of a genuine attacking option for the Bluebirds in 90-plus minutes at Carrow Road than the many who have attempted the role before him, both this season and in seasons past.


As his second-half header hit the crossbar – with Cardiff only one down to Cameron Jerome’s early strike at the time – Lambert punched the ground in frustration.

Yet it was clear that Trollope’s share of the same emotion was greater.


The former Wales No 2 didn’t hold back at the final whistle as he approached referee Oliver Langford, incensed at the foul on Aron Gunnarsson in the build-up to Josh Murphy’s 90th minute score that effectively won the game for the hosts.

Still – and he suggested as much was clear after the match – the real frustration was with some of his own players’ performances.

Jerome’s opener and Russell Martin’s second just before the hour mark were goals conceded that were far too sloppy to befit a side playing with three centre-backs; mistakes made through individual averageness rather than any issue with the system.

And, while Anthony Pilkington twice scrambled attempts at a comeback either side of Murphy’s eye-catching late effort, it was those earlier errors that undermined the visitors.

It wasn’t just the defence. While Aaron Gunnarsson impressed in midfield, looking like Gunnarsson the leader of Iceland rather than the one who has struggled for form in South Wales, the three in the centre of the park ultimately failed to spark.

Trollope showed he is not afraid to make the calls he sees fit to piece things together, surprising many by dropping Peter Whittingham, but Joe Ralls and, in particular, Lex Immers offered neither drive nor the control to make it work between the lines. While Gunnarsson worked tirelessly and led by example, at times Cardiff still looked passive out of possession.


On the ball, Cardiff didn’t stretch the hosts enough.

While Jazz Richards linked well, Declan John needed to offer more going forward.

Getting the right balance, the right central chemistry, will be crucial for Cardiff who are trying to do the right things.

And it would be hoped that they do not continue to offer up easy chances for opponents, with Norwich hardly deserving of the comfort they found themselves here.

They had hardly got near Ben Wilson’s goal before the 16th minute opener, an admittedly delicious cross from Jacob Murphy deceiving all before Jerome had time to control and fire when in the box.

The second was a simple set-piece, Sean Morrison looking like the guilty party as Martin made the most of Wes Hoolahan’s 59th minute corner.

Trollope may ask ‘what if’ around those events, just as he might have with regards to his new No 9 in two big chances before it became 2-0.

McGovern had clawed out a Lambert header before the Scouser hit the crossbar rather than the net after deliveries from Gunnarsson, the first a throw, the second a cross.

And there were examples of the hold up play that can see runners jump onto and can see a focal point for Cardiff attacks.


Pilkington didn’t look completely natural with his understanding with the new boy, although he did make sure he was on the end of two loose balls in the box to twice narrow the deficit.

But, undeniably, the puzzle of why Cardiff aren’t quite putting it together isn’t beyond solving.

The spirit and fitness to keep going is clear and Lee Peltier impressed again with his ball-blocking commitment and strength at the back.

Richards looks a natural in his own wing-back role and, when Whittingham arrived off the bench, there was a greater fist of things on midfield.

And as mentioned, though he will take his time to get up to speed, there is no doubt Lambert will have a far greater impact as that lone striker than those before him.

It still requires patience, including those from Cardiff players who lost a little confidence and began snatching at things as things went against them.

Keep doing the right things, start cutting out the mistakes. Piece by piece, the hope has to be that it will come for Cardiff.

Lex Immers a shadow of himself as defensive errors undermine Trollope masterplan
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Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:19 am

oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:32 am

arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:52 am

RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:09 am

RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?

New owners and a new manager,I know wishful thinking

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:11 am

Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.


Sheer blind faith, passion & optimism are one thing Annis, realism & inevitability are another, & after 40 odd years of following City, the writing is clearly on the wall That I'm looking at, & the alarm bells are ringing loudly, in my ears anyway!

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:23 am

Loose the next three and in the words of Dad,s Army, We,re Doomed :bluebird:

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:27 am

As the man falls out of a skyscraper building he passes the 40th floor he says "so far so good"

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:44 am

Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.



let everyone on this board have a negative viewpoint!!! That way the fans are all together at last , sod the idea of having a balanced debating platform, We all must be negative and nothing else :thumbup:

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:59 am

It is early days but one thing is for sure Paul Trollope has taken on a very difficult job at which only the very best succeed

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:00 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.



let everyone on this board have a negative viewpoint!!! That way the fans are all together at last , sod the idea of having a balanced debating platform, We all must be negative and nothing else :thumbup:


well 49 years of experience have taught me there is such a thing as positive negativity :laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:01 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.



let everyone on this board have a negative viewpoint!!! That way the fans are all together at last , sod the idea of having a balanced debating platform, We all must be negative and nothing else :thumbup:


I will say it again Allan, I never ever have ago at someone being positive,I commend them, but I personally don't feel positive about the running of our club on and off the field and that's my opinion, but yr there every time I post my feelings.

Allan, I will ask you again like I did the other day, What is there to be positive about at the moment??

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:09 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.



let everyone on this board have a negative viewpoint!!! That way the fans are all together at last , sod the idea of having a balanced debating platform, We all must be negative and nothing else :thumbup:


I will say it again Allan, I never ever have ago at someone being positive,I commend them, but I personally don't feel positive about the running of our club on and off the field and that's my opinion, but yr there every time I post my feelings.

Allan, I will ask you again like I did the other day, What is there to be positive about at the moment??


We can get Manga, Huws Whitts Harris back in the side thats a positive

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:51 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


I'm all for a new identity as long as it is in line with our history and present colours/badges etc etc. But worry that a new identity may be associated with poor results this season when looking back on it. That's where we need to focus on, results.

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:01 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.



let everyone on this board have a negative viewpoint!!! That way the fans are all together at last , sod the idea of having a balanced debating platform, We all must be negative and nothing else :thumbup:


I will say it again Allan, I never ever have ago at someone being positive,I commend them, but I personally don't feel positive about the running of our club on and off the field and that's my opinion, but yr there every time I post my feelings.

Allan, I will ask you again like I did the other day, What is there to be positive about at the moment??


You're right that there is little to be positive about. Equally, 6 games into a 46 game season there is little to be negative about either. I'll start to be negative when we are relegated and not before.

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:02 pm

bluebird58 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
arri potta wrote:oh we'll have a new identity alright, it'll show, Cardiff City FC, Division 1 2017/18 :laughing6:


That, I'm afraid, is my fear too.

Talk about rhetoric, and propaganda talk, we have gone from a new beginning In August, to a new identity in September. What's it going to be next month I wonder?


Watch yourself Rick, for your honesty you will be called negative by a certain few.

I honestly fear for Cardiff City and the Bullshit has to stop as its hurting the diehards fans of Cardiff City.



let everyone on this board have a negative viewpoint!!! That way the fans are all together at last , sod the idea of having a balanced debating platform, We all must be negative and nothing else :thumbup:


I will say it again Allan, I never ever have ago at someone being positive,I commend them, but I personally don't feel positive about the running of our club on and off the field and that's my opinion, but yr there every time I post my feelings.

Allan, I will ask you again like I did the other day, What is there to be positive about at the moment??


You're right that there is little to be positive about. Equally, 6 games into a 46 game season there is little to be negative about either. I'll start to be negative when we are relegated and not before.


That I Respect :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: ' Cardiff Fans forced to wait for new identity '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:42 pm

whilst there is no doubt that this side is under performing, the manager is trying to play the right way and I cant believe that some fans here are so negative and think City are going down.
This is a tough league and City are a mid table side this season IMO, and maybe we should all accept it and get behind the team.

Grow some ball lads