'He deserves our patience'

Trust me, I'm as frustrated as anyone the way things are going lately. And Tan and his desciples should never have let ourselves get in this mess in the first place and there's no excuse, blue/red whatever. They messed up end of.

But let's not start this whole abandon the formation and sack the manager bullshit. To what end? Hire another budget manager, start again and then blame the formation (because the same people blamed Slades 442).

The vast majority of us on this board were excited by the formation change but those realists among us new it would take time to work.

I have personally seen spells where it's been very effective and exciting and unfortunately the spells where it has been very flat, but we really are lacking the firepower as we all know. With a real center forward good things could start to happen, but it's not Trollopes fault hes left with two Belgian spanners up top.

Let's not forget there's still a circus going on upstairs at Cardiff

And not one Cardiff player knows where he'll be next season. Oh yeah, and we've just sold arguably our two best players.

We're not going up this year, period.

So give Trollope and his philosophy time and support. Let's bed in the youth and develope our style - it doesn't happen over night.

He's an honest guy and deserves our patience.

Quite right and it took Wales some time to get used to it.Give the man time and plenty of support

The budget isn't Trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

Are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. Any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. There is very little forward planning at CCFC. We operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

Would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? I'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. A judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Trollope is setting up this shit football with 7 across the back no one else

the budget isn't trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. there is very little forward planning at CCFC. we operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? i'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. a judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Of course we're not going as well as we possibly could, that's why I said I'm as frustrated as anyone.

It's a bit of a silly comparison really. I don't believe Trollope is a cowboy manager but I do believe Tan is a cowboy owner.

And I didn't say 'no matter what'... I'm just stating the point that there's hardly any alternatives, we can't afford to pay half our backroom staff who are earning peanuts let alone afford a name manager.

He deserves time, of course he does, we're only a few games in, but we'd also like to see some improvements or encouraging signs. 5 games in and I've seen nothing to think we'll be ok, even with a new striker. Link up play is terrible, to cautious and no pace.

Like I said, deserves time but we need to see some positive signs as right now we're going nowhere apart from downwards

he deserves time but 5 across the back and the wing backs not attacking is his fault

He deserves time, of course he does, we're only a few games in, but we'd also like to see some improvements or encouraging signs. 5 games in and I've seen nothing to think we'll be ok, even with a new striker. Link up play is terrible, to cautious and no pace.

Like I said, deserves time but we need to see some positive signs as right now we're going nowhere apart from downwards

Cal did you see the first half at reading? And the second half at fulham? I thought we were fantastic but 45 mins isn't good enough. But the signs are there.

he deserves time but 5 across the back and the wing backs not attacking is his fault

IMO the wing backs are forced deeper becouse the midfield is too deep

Against reading, Immers and Pilks were closing thier defenders down, nice and high up the field but our midfield held a line way too deep near the half way line. If they had pushed up 10 yards further forward, it would have allowed our wing backs to be further forward

We were effectively playing 5 3 2, at home ffs

It should be 3 4 2 1 and the 4 should consist of 2 central midfielders and 2 wing backs like Wales

he deserves time but 5 across the back and the wing backs not attacking is his fault

IMO the wing backs are forced deeper becouse the midfield is too deep
Against reading immers and pilks were closing Thier defenders down ,nice and high up the field but our midfield held a line way too deep near the half way line ,if they had pushed up 10yards further foreward it would have allowed our wing backs to be further foreward

We were effectively playing 5 3 2,at home ffs
It should be 3 4 2 1 and the 4 should consist of 2 central midfielders and 2 wing backs like Wales

I agree, also Reading clocked on and doubled up on Harris and we were then useless. I think we need Declan and Harris on, Richards for me isn't a wing back but just a standard full back.

he deserves time but 5 across the back and the wing backs not attacking is his fault

IMO the wing backs are forced deeper becouse the midfield is too deep
Against reading immers and pilks were closing Thier defenders down ,nice and high up the field but our midfield held a line way too deep near the half way line ,if they had pushed up 10yards further foreward it would have allowed our wing backs to be further foreward

We were effectively playing 5 3 2,at home ffs
It should be 3 4 2 1 and the 4 should consist of 2 central midfielders and 2 wing backs like Wales

I agree, also Reading clocked on and doubled up on Harris and we were then useless. I think we need Declan and Harris on, Richards for me isn't a wing back but just a standard full back.

Agree with that
Also readings defenders had an easy out ball all game as Thier 2 wingers hugged the byline near the half way line all game oceans of space and loads of time

the budget isn't trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. there is very little forward planning at CCFC. we operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? i'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. a judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Of course we're not going as well as we possibly could, that's why I said I'm as frustrated as anyone.

It's a bit of a silly comparison really. I don't believe Trollope is a cowboy manager but I do believe Tan is a cowboy owner.

And I didn't say 'no matter what'... I'm just stating the point that there's hardly any alternatives, we can't afford to pay half our backroom staff who are earning peanuts let alone afford a name manager.

i'm not comparing trollope to a cowboy, just pointing out that blindly giving a poor manager time can actually cause more damage to a club. i do not know yet whether trollope is a good manager yet, though the initial signs are not good.

what exactly has trollope done that you can point towards that suggests he deserves more time? and how much more time? my point being that this is to be assessed based on what you are seeing, not a blind policy of X number of weeks.

we can afford to pay two players off to the tune of millions. yet we will not spend the £600-700k it would take to bring in a quality manager, a person who is the most important person at the club. its a false economy to skimp on a manger.

i'm not saying trollope should go at all, just that we must be aware that a bad season with this bunch of players means we will be in the bottom 8 or lower. the stakes are potentially huge.

the budget isn't trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. there is very little forward planning at CCFC. we operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? i'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. a judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Of course we're not going as well as we possibly could, that's why I said I'm as frustrated as anyone.

It's a bit of a silly comparison really. I don't believe Trollope is a cowboy manager but I do believe Tan is a cowboy owner.

And I didn't say 'no matter what'... I'm just stating the point that there's hardly any alternatives, we can't afford to pay half our backroom staff who are earning peanuts let alone afford a name manager.

i'm not comparing trollope to a cowboy, just pointing out that blindly giving a poor manager time can actually cause more damage to a club. i do not know yet whether trollope is a good manager yet, though the initial signs are not good.

what exactly has trollope done that you can point towards that suggests he deserves more time? and how much more time? my point being that this is to be assessed based on what you are seeing, not a blind policy of X number of weeks.

we can afford to pay two players off to the tune of millions. yet we will not spend the £600-700k it would take to bring in a quality manager, a person who is the most important person at the club. its a false economy to skimp on a manger.

i'm not saying trollope should go at all, just that we must be aware that a bad season with this bunch of players means we will be in the bottom 8 or lower. the stakes are potentially huge.

We could not get a top manager for £600k and any top manager would want to spend millions ffs
We are all entitled to opinions but let's keep it sense able.
He's had 5 games
Won 1
Drawn to (could easily won them both with the chances we missed and whitts hitting the underside of the bar )
And 2 losses which again could quite easily have been draws
And finally our finances don't give scope for expensive managers or signings
It is what it is so sit back and enjoy the ride (that's Cardiff city the bluebirds )
Or knock your self out moaning about something that's out of your control

the budget isn't trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. there is very little forward planning at CCFC. we operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? i'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. a judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Of course we're not going as well as we possibly could, that's why I said I'm as frustrated as anyone.

It's a bit of a silly comparison really. I don't believe Trollope is a cowboy manager but I do believe Tan is a cowboy owner.

And I didn't say 'no matter what'... I'm just stating the point that there's hardly any alternatives, we can't afford to pay half our backroom staff who are earning peanuts let alone afford a name manager.

i'm not comparing trollope to a cowboy, just pointing out that blindly giving a poor manager time can actually cause more damage to a club. i do not know yet whether trollope is a good manager yet, though the initial signs are not good.

what exactly has trollope done that you can point towards that suggests he deserves more time? and how much more time? my point being that this is to be assessed based on what you are seeing, not a blind policy of X number of weeks.

we can afford to pay two players off to the tune of millions. yet we will not spend the £600-700k it would take to bring in a quality manager, a person who is the most important person at the club. its a false economy to skimp on a manger.

i'm not saying trollope should go at all, just that we must be aware that a bad season with this bunch of players means we will be in the bottom 8 or lower. the stakes are potentially huge.

All fair points, Trollope deserves more time because as I explained he is working under constraints and for the circus. Well find ourselves amongst the other teams that have struggled to invest this year most likely.

If we're near the drop zone approaching Christmas that's when we need to start looking at things imo. But suggesting it at this stage/booing/jeering is just defeatist and does nothing but damage the confidence of the players even further.

the budget isn't trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. there is very little forward planning at CCFC. we operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? i'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. a judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Of course we're not going as well as we possibly could, that's why I said I'm as frustrated as anyone.

It's a bit of a silly comparison really. I don't believe Trollope is a cowboy manager but I do believe Tan is a cowboy owner.

And I didn't say 'no matter what'... I'm just stating the point that there's hardly any alternatives, we can't afford to pay half our backroom staff who are earning peanuts let alone afford a name manager.

i'm not comparing trollope to a cowboy, just pointing out that blindly giving a poor manager time can actually cause more damage to a club. i do not know yet whether trollope is a good manager yet, though the initial signs are not good.

what exactly has trollope done that you can point towards that suggests he deserves more time? and how much more time? my point being that this is to be assessed based on what you are seeing, not a blind policy of X number of weeks.

we can afford to pay two players off to the tune of millions. yet we will not spend the £600-700k it would take to bring in a quality manager, a person who is the most important person at the club. its a false economy to skimp on a manger.

i'm not saying trollope should go at all, just that we must be aware that a bad season with this bunch of players means we will be in the bottom 8 or lower. the stakes are potentially huge.

All fair points, Trollope deserves more time because as I explained he is working under constraints and for the circus. Well find ourselves amongst the other teams that have struggled to invest this year most likely.

If we're near the drop zone approaching Christmas that's when we need to start looking at things imo. But suggesting it at this stage/booing/jeering is just defeatist and does nothing but damage the confidence of the players even further.

absolutely, and fans should only be entitled to boo IMO when there's a lack of effort.

however, whether we like it or not, its a business, and performances, both by the team and the manager, have to be looked at objectively.

i agree he should be cut some slack because of the budget, but that doesnt mean we aren't entitled to the best possible performances within that budget constraints.

i also take objection to your point that 'we will not up this year, period'. many teams have been promoted on smaller budgets. we should aim to give 100% and finish as high as we can.

the budget isn't trollope's fault, but his role is to get the best out of the group of players we have.

are we going as well as we possibly could be doing at the moment? most people would say not. any idea that the club operates on a long term vision is rubbish, IMO. there is very little forward planning at CCFC. we operate on a season by season basis like most clubs in football now.

would a cowboy builder showing no signs of building your extension properly 'deserve our patience' 5 weeks after starting the project? i'm not saying trollope should go, just that its a fallacy to believe managers should be given time no matter what. a judgment must be made based upon whether any good signs are being showed by the team or his management.

Of course we're not going as well as we possibly could, that's why I said I'm as frustrated as anyone.

It's a bit of a silly comparison really. I don't believe Trollope is a cowboy manager but I do believe Tan is a cowboy owner.

And I didn't say 'no matter what'... I'm just stating the point that there's hardly any alternatives, we can't afford to pay half our backroom staff who are earning peanuts let alone afford a name manager.

i'm not comparing trollope to a cowboy, just pointing out that blindly giving a poor manager time can actually cause more damage to a club. i do not know yet whether trollope is a good manager yet, though the initial signs are not good.

what exactly has trollope done that you can point towards that suggests he deserves more time? and how much more time? my point being that this is to be assessed based on what you are seeing, not a blind policy of X number of weeks.

we can afford to pay two players off to the tune of millions. yet we will not spend the £600-700k it would take to bring in a quality manager, a person who is the most important person at the club. its a false economy to skimp on a manger.

i'm not saying trollope should go at all, just that we must be aware that a bad season with this bunch of players means we will be in the bottom 8 or lower. the stakes are potentially huge.

All fair points, Trollope deserves more time because as I explained he is working under constraints and for the circus. Well find ourselves amongst the other teams that have struggled to invest this year most likely.

If we're near the drop zone approaching Christmas that's when we need to start looking at things imo. But suggesting it at this stage/booing/jeering is just defeatist and does nothing but damage the confidence of the players even further.

absolutely, and fans should only be entitled to boo IMO when there's a lack of effort.

however, whether we like it or not, its a business, and performances, both by the team and the manager, have to be looked at objectively.

i agree he should be cut some slack because of the budget, but that doesnt mean we aren't entitled to the best possible performances within that budget constraints.

i also take objection to your point that 'we will not up this year, period'. many teams have been promoted on smaller budgets. we should aim to give 100% and finish as high as we can.

Not in a league with teams like Newcastle, villa, Norwich, Derby, Sheffield, all spending ridiculous amounts of money?

Saying that looking at the league table were sitting inbetween villa and Derby... Just imagine what their forums are saying now!

Trust me, I'm as frustrated as anyone the way things are going lately. And Tan and his desciples should never have let ourselves get in this mess in the first place and there's no excuse, blue/red whatever. They messed up end of.

But let's not start this whole abandon the formation and sack the manager bullshit. To what end? Hire another budget manager, start again and then blame the formation (because the same people blamed Slades 442).

The vast majority of us on this board were excited by the formation change but those realists among us new it would take time to work.

I have personally seen spells where it's been very effective and exciting and unfortunately the spells where it has been very flat, but we really are lacking the firepower as we all know. With a real center forward good things could start to happen, but it's not Trollopes fault hes left with two Belgian spanners up top.

Let's not forget there's still a circus going on upstairs at Cardiff

And not one Cardiff player knows where he'll be next season. Oh yeah, and we've just sold arguably our two best players.

We're not going up this year, period.

So give Trollope and his philosophy time and support. Let's bed in the youth and develope our style - it doesn't happen over night.

He's an honest guy and deserves our patience.

Completely true mate, fellow realistic fan not many on here. A decent striker is all we need and we won't go far wrong, hope Saadi develops well too