Is there any Doubt?

With the rumours of Manga possibly leaving there seems little doubt that the club are prepared to sell EVERY player if a reasonable bid came in. It appears as though the footballing side has taken a back seat whilst the 'business has taken over'.

We will soon be a team of freebies & young developing players. Yes, the club needed to reduce the debt but the cost cutting over the past 18 months has been extreme. Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

Are fans happy with a policy of selling and not re investing? Or are fans disappointed by the lack of ambition? Do fans prefer a happy balance between debt & re investing?

Realistically, what percentage of the parachute payments has been re invested into the squad? Seems to be very little. We all want the club to survive financially but on the other hand if it's an entertainment business are fans currently getting value for money. I suggest the dwindling crowds may answer that question.

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

Here Here.

With the rumours of Manga possibly leaving there seems little doubt that the club are prepared to sell EVERY player if a reasonable bid came in. It appears as though the footballing side has taken a back seat whilst the 'business has taken over'.

We will soon be a team of freebies & young developing players. Yes, the club needed to reduce the debt but the cost cutting over the past 18 months has been extreme. Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

Are fans happy with a policy of selling and not re investing? Or are fans disappointed by the lack of ambition? Do fans prefer a happy balance between debt & re investing?

Realistically, what percentage of the parachute payments has been re invested into the squad? Seems to be very little. We all want the club to survive financially but on the other hand if it's an entertainment business are fans currently getting value for money. I suggest the dwindling crowds may answer that question.

It is what it is.

Most clubs are willing to sell any of their players if the price is right and whenever a player of any value is coming to the end of their contract the club has a dilemma - sell them and risk weakening the team or let them run down their contract and lose them for nothing.

Like it or not the cost cutting will be continuing for some time yet. Tan wants the debt reduced as much as possible so that the amount he has to pay is as low as possible. Even then it's going to cost him millions before he can get out of the club which surely nobody can argue is not what he wants to do.

Promotion was never a realistic aim for the club this season or last, despite the bluster from Dalman and Choo. The ONLY aim for the club is to cut costs to the bone.

Since we went back to blue investment in the team has been minimal - in fairness to Tan he made that clear when he arrived.
If we went red he'd invest in the team and he was true to his word. If we wanted to be blue he would not spend any money on the playing squad and again, he's been true to his word.

I think that those who run the club perhaps thought that by introducing low season ticket prices, fans would flock to the stadium irrespective of how the team were performing on the pitch. Their knowledge of football matters is so poor that maybe they genuinely think that a team with an unproven manager at this level and a team put together with a zero budget should genuinely be promotion candidates. Tan's football insight is to tell the players to shoot more - perhaps he genuinely thinks that if Bournemouth can do it, Cardiff should be able to do it!

Or perhaps he doesn't give a shit anymore and as you say, it's just a business where costs need to be cut to the bone irrespective of the effect that may have on the "customers".

With the rumours of Manga possibly leaving there seems little doubt that the club are prepared to sell EVERY player if a reasonable bid came in. It appears as though the footballing side has taken a back seat whilst the 'business has taken over'.

We will soon be a team of freebies & young developing players. Yes, the club needed to reduce the debt but the cost cutting over the past 18 months has been extreme. Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

Are fans happy with a policy of selling and not re investing? Or are fans disappointed by the lack of ambition? Do fans prefer a happy balance between debt & re investing?

Realistically, what percentage of the parachute payments has been re invested into the squad? Seems to be very little. We all want the club to survive financially but on the other hand if it's an entertainment business are fans currently getting value for money. I suggest the dwindling crowds may answer that question.

mangas out of contract at the end of season ,we can't offer him a new contract on the £30grand a week hes on now ,so what do you want the club to do keep him and then let him walk for free .
as usual knock the club at all costs , they cant win with some fans .

With the rumours of Manga possibly leaving there seems little doubt that the club are prepared to sell EVERY player if a reasonable bid came in. It appears as though the footballing side has taken a back seat whilst the 'business has taken over'.

We will soon be a team of freebies & young developing players. Yes, the club needed to reduce the debt but the cost cutting over the past 18 months has been extreme. Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

Are fans happy with a policy of selling and not re investing? Or are fans disappointed by the lack of ambition? Do fans prefer a happy balance between debt & re investing?

Realistically, what percentage of the parachute payments has been re invested into the squad? Seems to be very little. We all want the club to survive financially but on the other hand if it's an entertainment business are fans currently getting value for money. I suggest the dwindling crowds may answer that question.

mangas out of contract at the end of season ,we can't offer him a new contract on the £30grand a week hes on now ,so what do you want the club to do keep him and then let him walk for free .
as usual knock the club at all costs , they cant win with some fans .

No, it's not just the possible sale of Manga it is the extreme lack of ambition shown by the club over the past 18 months! I would agree that if the club were to sell Manga provided they really invest money back bro the squad then that's fine. All we have done for 18montgs is to pick up freebies or loan signings. Would you be happy if Marshall, Manga et. Are sold and n m ey is re invested to take us forward. We are currently going backwards. How much of the parachute payments been re invested. Very little.

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

Here Here.

Well said mate. It is frustrating but I think we're looking to rebuild with a new way of doing business it's just going to take time.

With the rumours of Manga possibly leaving there seems little doubt that the club are prepared to sell EVERY player if a reasonable bid came in. It appears as though the footballing side has taken a back seat whilst the 'business has taken over'.

We will soon be a team of freebies & young developing players. Yes, the club needed to reduce the debt but the cost cutting over the past 18 months has been extreme. Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

Are fans happy with a policy of selling and not re investing? Or are fans disappointed by the lack of ambition? Do fans prefer a happy balance between debt & re investing?

Realistically, what percentage of the parachute payments has been re invested into the squad? Seems to be very little. We all want the club to survive financially but on the other hand if it's an entertainment business are fans currently getting value for money. I suggest the dwindling crowds may answer that question.

mangas out of contract at the end of season ,we can't offer him a new contract on the £30grand a week hes on now ,so what do you want the club to do keep him and then let him walk for free .
as usual knock the club at all costs , they cant win with some fans .

No, it's not just the possible sale of Manga it is the extreme lack of ambition shown by the club over the past 18 months! I would agree that if the club were to sell Manga provided they really invest money back bro the squad then that's fine. All we have done for 18montgs is to pick up freebies or loan signings. Would you be happy if Marshall, Manga et. Are sold and n m ey is re invested to take us forward. We are currently going backwards. How much of the parachute payments been re invested. Very little.

Ambition and cost cutting do not go together under any form! So it's a case of what do fans want more debt and embargo or cost cutting and avaluation of things at later date? No simple answer to dilemma

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

Here Here.

post of the week, short and sweet

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

Here Here.

post of the week, short and sweet

100%

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

Best post for awhile. I'm happy for the club to clear the decks and rebuild over a few seasons. patience is whats needed not cry babies constantly having a go at the club because we are having a few quiet seasons..
I cant imagine how some of the moaners coped in some periods of the 80s and 90s

And the ones we want to leave aren't.

StT.

IMO this was always going to happen, I been saying it since relegation that during our last parachute payment year expect to sell majority of our players and replace with the cheapest alternative, because I firmly believe that tan will take every penny he can then at the end of the payments offer the club as a low cost business due to low wages and sellable assets in players..... Now any player we had who could of been the next earnshaw, Rambo, Collins etc has either been deemed not good enough, released and signed by someone else or they have been poached, so I doubt we'll see many academy players feature. Now jazz Richards was bought because tan wanted more welsh players, now with john at the left wing back position, and hopefully kadeem at right, I doubt we are going to see many replacements as they will be back up players... I expect mainly free transfers and loans, and it's very rare them signings work out, the only time I can think of is jones, he worked wonders in those areas....expect more sales

Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

If realistically speaking we have no chance of being promoted I have just been robbed in broad daylight!

Corals have put us in the top 11 teams to be promoted and given me 16-1 odds! Thats like saying we are in the mix or something which has got to be missleading. Im taking my slip back in tomorrow as it is surely not fit for purpose as they are saying we have got a chance!

If I had known we had no chance whatsoever I would have at least gone each way!

I think good on the club for shipping out the overpaid players who haven't produced, but what I find annoying is the club saying there aim is for the playoffs, when it's obviously not. The aim is to make make us more sustainable as club by cutting back and selling high paid players. Unfortunately the football and ambition is going to suffer for it.

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

Perfectly summed up well done mate

Roll on tan and choo going ,or perhaps tan is enjoying this?
After all he still to this day loves digging at malky.

Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

If realistically speaking we have no chance of being promoted I have just been robbed in broad daylight!

Corals have put us in the top 11 teams to be promoted and given me 16-1 odds! Thats like saying we are in the mix or something which has got to be missleading. Im taking my slip back in tomorrow as it is surely not fit for purpose as they are saying we have got a chance!

If I had known we had no chance whatsoever I would have at least gone each way!

Unfortunately some City fans are in denial. Fans need to ask themselves:
1. Are we playing attractive football
2. Has the club shown any ambition for the past 18 months - 2 years?
3. Do you see any improvement week in week out?
4. Why are crowds continuing to drop & thousands of ST holders not attending?

I agree that we should blood a few youngsters in with experienced players however it has been quite obvious that we have lacked a decent striker(s) for years and it's still not been addressed.

With regards to getting odds of 16/1. Think that you have been had over. As many fans highlighted on a previous post many would not bet on City being promoted at 500/1 or even a 1,000/1.

are we really surprised? its why we was linked with blackett

Good job supporting football clubs is not dependant on promotion as no one will have any support!

Good job supporting football clubs is not dependant on promotion as no one will have any support!

100% agree. I have been supporting City since 1968 and there have been many lows however at the moment the club seems to be going backwards and many fans are failing to turn up because it's the same old football week in week out. Many fans don't expect the world and for the club to compete in the transfer market with many of the other Championship clubs but signing a decent striker may give many 'disappearing' fans a lift and it might even improve performances on the pitch!

Good job supporting football clubs is not dependant on promotion as no one will have any support!

100% agree. I have been supporting City since 1968 and there have been many lows however at the moment the club seems to be going backwards and many fans are failing to turn up because it's the same old football week in week out. Many fans don't expect the world and for the club to compete in the transfer market with many of the other Championship clubs but signing a decent striker may give many 'disappearing' fans a lift and it might even improve performances on the pitch!

That's funny part been crying out for good striker for about 3yrs and yet we keep buying average players at best? Good striker could see us in mix that's the stupid thing!!!

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

Here Here.

post of the week, short and sweet

Spot on!

The sooner we start operating within our means, the better.

Yes, it's concerning to see players leave but it wasn't that long ago that our club near ceased to exist because with operated beyond our means and didn't take action quickly enough. It was stupid and short sighted to amass such a collection of over priced staff in the first place. At least we're now addressing early enough.

I feel the biggest challenge we have achieving self sufficiency is the lack of support smaller clubs are given from the FA. If we're going to start to rely on home grown talent then we need the FA to step in and take a stand on big clubs cherry picking, and ruining so much young talent.....like Rabbi Matondo.

I'd also like to see more of the insane amount of Premier League money filtering down the leagues. After all today's League 1 teams and players are tomorrows Premiership stars.

If true & Marshall has been sold it seems to confirm the fact that the club will sell any player as mentioned in my initial post.

There is no ambition and I think that many fans would have been far more understanding if the club had laid their cards on the table over the past 18 months-2 years to say that they were going to sell many players (including the best players) and replace them with loan signings and freebies.

Undoubtedly many fans have renewed their season tickets with the hope of seeing new signings, attractive football and a good season and all we are seeing is the squad slowly but surely being dismantled. There must be some disappointed fans.

What sums it up is that we have played without a recognised striker / goal scorer for a long time. Never mind about bringing in another midfielder e.g. How's what we despatetly need is a striker & there's still no sign of one. Even though we have been linked with Lafferty it's been suggested that the club do not want to pay the 1.5m asking price. Even Lafferty has not got a particularly good scoring record.

With the rumours of Manga possibly leaving there seems little doubt that the club are prepared to sell EVERY player if a reasonable bid came in. It appears as though the footballing side has taken a back seat whilst the 'business has taken over'.

We will soon be a team of freebies & young developing players. Yes, the club needed to reduce the debt but the cost cutting over the past 18 months has been extreme. Being realistic we have no chance whatsoever of getting promoted this season.

Are fans happy with a policy of selling and not re investing? Or are fans disappointed by the lack of ambition? Do fans prefer a happy balance between debt & re investing?

Realistically, what percentage of the parachute payments has been re invested into the squad? Seems to be very little. We all want the club to survive financially but on the other hand if it's an entertainment business are fans currently getting value for money. I suggest the dwindling crowds may answer that question.

mangas out of contract at the end of season ,we can't offer him a new contract on the £30grand a week hes on now ,so what do you want the club to do keep him and then let him walk for free .
as usual knock the club at all costs , they cant win with some fans .

No, it's not just the possible sale of Manga it is the extreme lack of ambition shown by the club over the past 18 months! I would agree that if the club were to sell Manga provided they really invest money back bro the squad then that's fine. All we have done for 18montgs is to pick up freebies or loan signings. Would you be happy if Marshall, Manga et. Are sold and n m ey is re invested to take us forward. We are currently going backwards. How much of the parachute payments been re invested. Very little.

Investing in the playing squad is more than just transfer fees. The parachute payments would have gone towards paying the players contracts so yes they were used as investment in the first team. What your talking about is creating new debt over and above what we already have to finance player purchases.

That is clearly a no go area and I personally wouldn't support a policy like that.

If true & Marshall has been sold it seems to confirm the fact that the club will sell any player as mentioned in my initial post.

There is no ambition and I think that many fans would have been far more understanding if the club had laid their cards on the table over the past 18 months-2 years to say that they were going to sell many players (including the best players) and replace them with loan signings and freebies.

Undoubtedly many fans have renewed their season tickets with the hope of seeing new signings, attractive football and a good season and all we are seeing is the squad slowly but surely being dismantled. There must be some disappointed fans.

What sums it up is that we have played without a recognised striker / goal scorer for a long time. Never mind about bringing in another midfielder e.g. How's what we despatetly need is a striker & there's still no sign of one. Even though we have been linked with Lafferty it's been suggested that the club do not want to pay the 1.5m asking price. Even Lafferty has not got a particularly good scoring record.

TBH mate it doesn't take a full club admission to realise had we not gone up at the first attempt after relegation we would be facing massive cost cutting exercise.

I'm understanding about the clubs position whether it came from them or my own common sense. I'm a fan and will turn up whatever just a shame some others won't do the same.

I'd be happier seeing a product of our youth system or freebie player doing well (Collins,Ledley,Ramsey, Blake, John, Earnshaw), rather than an overpriced overpaid flop hurting my eyes every week (Jones,Le Fondre, Macheda, Dickacoi, Cornelius, )
However long it takes, this club needs fixing. I am patient and here for the longhaul.

great post

How many fans will renew their season tickets next year? Our club could be in deep remise.