Too Much Negativity

I am really fed up with all the negativity on this forum at the moment, we are only 3 games into the season for heavens sake!
We have a new manager who is implementing a new system,he has brought in more welsh players, got Declan John back into the side and despite the results there are signs that we are playing more attacking attractive football.If Pilkington had scored the one on one we would have been 3 up and I think would have scored a few more.
The Tan out brigade are living in cuckoo land and seem to think there is a White Knight who will ride to the rescue and take over the club.
Give Trollope a chance and get behind the team, you should only look at the table after 10 games, lets see where we are after then and maybe all the negative posters on this forum will change their minds.

I've felt the same tbh.

It's like the wailing wall on here sometimes.

"Not enough youth" "youth no good"'
" wasteful spending" "not enough spending"
" 4 4 2 is shit" " 5 3 1 is shit"
"Too much roathy" "not enough roathy"

While I have underlying Tan Out in my blood
I understand that this is a new beginning and I have seen promise and feel much more optimistic this season.
Yes, we don't have the perfect players to execute the current plan, we haven't got the striker that every fan knows we miss and even Trollope himself has eluded to missing Fabio.

The new start for any new good or great team, starts from the back

We need a little bit of patience and togetherness.

Not the sack race every year

I am really fed up with all the negativity on this forum at the moment, we are only 3 games into the season for heavens sake!
We have a new manager who is implementing a new system,he has brought in more welsh players, got Declan John back into the side and despite the results there are signs that we are playing more attacking attractive football.If Pilkington had scored the one on one we would have been 3 up and I think would have scored a few more.
The Tan out brigade are living in cuckoo land and seem to think there is a White Knight who will ride to the rescue and take over the club.
Give Trollope a chance and get behind the team, you should only look at the table after 10 games, lets see where we are after then and maybe all the negative posters on this forum will change their minds.

Hear, hear. I'm really fed up with the negativity on here on a daily basis. Seems at the moment people are finding anything to have a pop at the club.

There's thread after thread of negativity and I've already had lots of PM's from posters fed up with certain posters who are hell bent on ruining the forum with constant Tan bashing.

I think we'll see a slow down in good posters, posting if this continues.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to point out our shortcomings (no shots on target is an obvious one) but I don't agree with betting against City in a forthcoming game no matter who we are playing.

There is a valid compliant that every little thing that goes wrong is somehow Vincent Tan's fault. Yes he has plenty to answer for but that is in the past and he has paid a heavy price from his own pocket for those mistakes.

I see no point in dragging the past up all the time over some 'hate' crusade against a man who has put more money into this club than anyone has before. We now live in a different world where the books have to be balanced that is not Tan's fault just simply complying with FFP.

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

Spot on annis

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Fine then how do we finance that ambition?

As you state the owner caused the debt (although not the Langston debt) when we last showed ambition and got promoted. So does Tan cause 'more' debt in an attempt to get us promoted because surely he is only repeating the same mistake?

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Fine then how do we finance that ambition?

As you state the owner caused the debt (although not the Langston debt) when we last showed ambition and got promoted. So does Tan cause 'more' debt in an attempt to get us promoted because surely he is only repeating the same mistake?

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

Annis by 2021 the £130m (£30m above what was promised) will be paid off without the club incurring a penny in interest. TBH your opinion on when Tan pays that debt off is not relevant as it's his money not yours and there was no formal agreement to when the money would be turned into equity. I personally think we are very lucky to have a deal like that which is ten times better than the Langston agreement which left a £24m dead weight hanging around the club for a decade.

Tan agreed to pay off the Langston debt but he didn't cause those losses which were down to Sam Hammam. Frankly he should be congratulated on doing such an honourable thing for our club.

I always bet on us being promoted (& yes I have got it wrong for 12 of the past 13 seasons) but I still think you have to set the bar as high as possible. I agree the task is a difficult one but you still haven't explained how we can finance an 'ambition' without incurring more debt, something you have constantly criticised Tan for in the past?

My personal opinion on Tan is he was a lunatic for ever getting involved and £130m in exchange for 2 and half years of playing in red was the biggest heist any football club has performed on any owner ever!

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

Annis by 2021 the £130m (£30m above what was promised) will be paid off without the club incurring a penny in interest. TBH your opinion on when Tan pays that debt off is not relevant as it's his money not yours and there was no formal agreement to when the money would be turned into equity. I personally think we are very lucky to have a deal like that which is ten times better than the Langston agreement which left a £24m dead weight hanging around the club for a decade.

Tan agreed to pay off the Langston debt but he didn't cause those losses which were down to Sam Hammam. Frankly he should be congratulated on doing such an honourable thing for our club.

I always bet on us being promoted (& yes I have got it wrong for 12 of the past 13 seasons) but I still think you have to set the bar as high as possible. I agree the task is a difficult one but you still haven't explained how we can finance an 'ambition' without incurring more debt, something you have constantly criticised Tan for in the past?

My personal opinion on Tan is he was a lunatic for ever getting involved and £130m in exchange for 2 and half years of playing in red was the biggest heist any football club has performed on any owner ever!

2021

Tony, the problem with that is, We could be relegated by then the way we are going, our fans won't keep going if No ambition(a fact) and our crowds will go down as low as 8,000, the only reason why we got 11,000 this season was the fact they were £49 & £99.
A lot of the time fans won't turn up as they can afford not to.
I will support City no matter what happens, I am back to watch them twice in the next few weeks, but before I moved abroad, I like you saw over 40 odd years of good but mostly bad days and the crowds were as low as 1,400.
I will support City whatever the division

We are in a big modern stadium and it needs a crowd, if the club on the field sinks and crowds get lower,we could spend years again in the lower divisions.

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Fine then how do we finance that ambition?

As you state the owner caused the debt (although not the Langston debt) when we last showed ambition and got promoted. So does Tan cause 'more' debt in an attempt to get us promoted because surely he is only repeating the same mistake?

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

But how much did Tan wipe off the debt earlier this year, turning it to equity? He has outlined how he plans to turn more to equity in the coming years - so technically he has been investing in the club. Unfortunately some of those investments haven't been the right ones - with all the money spent, we recruited some absolute rubbish (under all the managers).

The problem for us and clubs of our size, is that FFP instantly puts the brakes on; if we had more income we would have more money to spend. In fairness to the club they have put ideas in place to try and do this:

1. Changing us back to blue. Of course the change should never have happened in the first place, but for
the rhetoric of turning us back to blue would see fans flocking back simply hasn't turned out to be true. I don't know the detail, but I suspect our 2 opening day crowds in the Championship whilst in red were bother bigger than the last two seasons in blue?
2. They have tried to improve the match day experience - surely the actions that they have taken have been based in insights from discussions with fans.
3. Season ticket pricing has come down significantly.

I agree that there is a big disconnect between the ambition the club claim and the reality - but it's chicken and egg. To get the income, they need to market their ambition - if people don't bite then the plans have to change. I do think the club could strike a better balance here though.

Unfortunately, the reality is people aren't coming because we aren't winning and there is little to get fans off their seats - I drive a 250 mile round trip to every home game and there were times last season my motivation to do that (v spending the time with my two young children) was severely tested at the thought of dull, bore draw football.

The stark reality is we don't want a club in debt, but we want to be challenging; for that to happen the fans need to get out and help bring income to the club; lets stop using Tan as an excuse for not doing so...If we can't be bothered, why should he?

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Fine then how do we finance that ambition?

As you state the owner caused the debt (although not the Langston debt) when we last showed ambition and got promoted. So does Tan cause 'more' debt in an attempt to get us promoted because surely he is only repeating the same mistake?

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

But how much did Tan wipe off the debt earlier this year, turning it to equity? He has outlined how he plans to turn more to equity in the coming years - so technically he has been investing in the club. Unfortunately some of those investments haven't been the right ones - with all the money spent, we recruited some absolute rubbish (under all the managers).

The problem for us and clubs of our size, is that FFP instantly puts the brakes on; if we had more income we would have more money to spend. In fairness to the club they have put ideas in place to try and do this:

1. Changing us back to blue. Of course the change should never have happened in the first place, but for
the rhetoric of turning us back to blue would see fans flocking back simply hasn't turned out to be true. I don't know the detail, but I suspect our 2 opening day crowds in the Championship whilst in red were bother bigger than the last two seasons in blue?
2. They have tried to improve the match day experience - surely the actions that they have taken have been based in insights from discussions with fans.
3. Season ticket pricing has come down significantly.

I agree that there is a big disconnect between the ambition the club claim and the reality - but it's chicken and egg. To get the income, they need to market their ambition - if people don't bite then the plans have to change. I do think the club could strike a better balance here though.

Unfortunately, the reality is people aren't coming because we aren't winning and there is little to get fans off their seats - I drive a 250 mile round trip to every home game and there were times last season my motivation to do that (v spending the time with my two young children) was severely tested at the thought of dull, bore draw football.

The stark reality is we don't want a club in debt, but we want to be challenging; for that to happen the fans need to get out and help bring income to the club; lets stop using Tan as an excuse for not doing so...If we can't be bothered, why should he?

For me and many others, the damage Tan did will never be forgiven, it was the worst type of damage any owner could do to a club(even laughed at us and taunted us) and no matter what he does now,the damage has been done.
I also don't believe he's trying to do good,he's trying to get out and I stand by that.

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Fine then how do we finance that ambition?

As you state the owner caused the debt (although not the Langston debt) when we last showed ambition and got promoted. So does Tan cause 'more' debt in an attempt to get us promoted because surely he is only repeating the same mistake?

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

But how much did Tan wipe off the debt earlier this year, turning it to equity? He has outlined how he plans to turn more to equity in the coming years - so technically he has been investing in the club. Unfortunately some of those investments haven't been the right ones - with all the money spent, we recruited some absolute rubbish (under all the managers).

The problem for us and clubs of our size, is that FFP instantly puts the brakes on; if we had more income we would have more money to spend. In fairness to the club they have put ideas in place to try and do this:

1. Changing us back to blue. Of course the change should never have happened in the first place, but for
the rhetoric of turning us back to blue would see fans flocking back simply hasn't turned out to be true. I don't know the detail, but I suspect our 2 opening day crowds in the Championship whilst in red were bother bigger than the last two seasons in blue?
2. They have tried to improve the match day experience - surely the actions that they have taken have been based in insights from discussions with fans.
3. Season ticket pricing has come down significantly.

I agree that there is a big disconnect between the ambition the club claim and the reality - but it's chicken and egg. To get the income, they need to market their ambition - if people don't bite then the plans have to change. I do think the club could strike a better balance here though.

Unfortunately, the reality is people aren't coming because we aren't winning and there is little to get fans off their seats - I drive a 250 mile round trip to every home game and there were times last season my motivation to do that (v spending the time with my two young children) was severely tested at the thought of dull, bore draw football.

The stark reality is we don't want a club in debt, but we want to be challenging; for that to happen the fans need to get out and help bring income to the club; lets stop using Tan as an excuse for not doing so...If we can't be bothered, why should he?

For me and many others, the damage Tan did will never be forgiven, it was the worst type of damage any owner could do to a club(even laughed at us and taunted us) and no matter what he does now,the damage has been done.
I also don't believe he's trying to do good,he's trying to get out and I stand by that.

But why did you and others so strongly claim then that if he turned us back to blue, fans would come flooding back? It might be the case for you, but we haven't lost 10k-12k fans because we played in red for a few years. Plenty of others owners have laughed at us - Hammam lied to our faces for years and held this club to ransom time and time again,

Even if he is trying to get out, he can't put money in unless the income is there to operate within FFP - for that to happen fans need to spend money with the club.

I am really fed up with all the negativity on this forum at the moment, we are only 3 games into the season for heavens sake!
We have a new manager who is implementing a new system,he has brought in more welsh players, got Declan John back into the side and despite the results there are signs that we are playing more attacking attractive football.If Pilkington had scored the one on one we would have been 3 up and I think would have scored a few more.
The Tan out brigade are living in cuckoo land and seem to think there is a White Knight who will ride to the rescue and take over the club.
Give Trollope a chance and get behind the team, you should only look at the table after 10 games, lets see where we are after then and maybe all the negative posters on this forum will change their minds.

I think the forum is quite negative lately and seems like some are using it to have a go at the club, the squad ,the staff and fans and i believe its keeping posters away.

2021 Tony, the problem with that is, We could be relegated by then the way we are going

The title of this thread was "Too Much Negativity" and the above statement really points out what the OP was complaining about. Yes we could be relegated by 2021, we could fluke a promotion, we could be sold and do another Leicester.

I would rather be positive and support the club rather than being forever bitter about a mistake by an individual who has ended up paying a high price for his arrogance. Put it behind you buddy it's simply not worth it.

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

That takes time Annis. You know we have to comply with FFP and at the moment we have a massive financial torpedo smashing a hole through our wage bill for players who are not good enough to start.

It's obvious that to progress those players have to be moved out. We have raised £2.5m in transfer fees but that might be needed to pay those 3 wasters if we can't ship them out.

That little problem cannot be overlooked in order to accuse the club of a lack of ambition. Let's judge the club once the decks have been cleared.

Tony, Im all for getting rid of dead wood,but not good players, but it will be three years of negativity from our club,which the main problems/debt was caused by our owner himself. You have to show some ambition now,thats a fact of life,its the only way fans will rally back.

Fine then how do we finance that ambition?

As you state the owner caused the debt (although not the Langston debt) when we last showed ambition and got promoted. So does Tan cause 'more' debt in an attempt to get us promoted because surely he is only repeating the same mistake?

Tan made most of that debt himself and 5 years ago he stated he was giving Cardiff City £100mill, which in my opinion means, we should not of been lent it. Tan made it and is responsible for clearing it,which if he wanted to could be done anytime he wants.
Tony, Tan agreed and took over the Langston debt and so took the responsibility on a fact.

All I can see is,until Tan leaves, a lot of fans including myself will never be happy with him there.

Three years running, Dalman,Ken Choo etc have all made out we are challenging for promotion and geared up and you know in your heart thats total bullshit.

But how much did Tan wipe off the debt earlier this year, turning it to equity? He has outlined how he plans to turn more to equity in the coming years - so technically he has been investing in the club. Unfortunately some of those investments haven't been the right ones - with all the money spent, we recruited some absolute rubbish (under all the managers).

The problem for us and clubs of our size, is that FFP instantly puts the brakes on; if we had more income we would have more money to spend. In fairness to the club they have put ideas in place to try and do this:

1. Changing us back to blue. Of course the change should never have happened in the first place, but for
the rhetoric of turning us back to blue would see fans flocking back simply hasn't turned out to be true. I don't know the detail, but I suspect our 2 opening day crowds in the Championship whilst in red were bother bigger than the last two seasons in blue?
2. They have tried to improve the match day experience - surely the actions that they have taken have been based in insights from discussions with fans.
3. Season ticket pricing has come down significantly.

I agree that there is a big disconnect between the ambition the club claim and the reality - but it's chicken and egg. To get the income, they need to market their ambition - if people don't bite then the plans have to change. I do think the club could strike a better balance here though.

Unfortunately, the reality is people aren't coming because we aren't winning and there is little to get fans off their seats - I drive a 250 mile round trip to every home game and there were times last season my motivation to do that (v spending the time with my two young children) was severely tested at the thought of dull, bore draw football.

The stark reality is we don't want a club in debt, but we want to be challenging; for that to happen the fans need to get out and help bring income to the club; lets stop using Tan as an excuse for not doing so...If we can't be bothered, why should he?

For me and many others, the damage Tan did will never be forgiven, it was the worst type of damage any owner could do to a club(even laughed at us and taunted us) and no matter what he does now,the damage has been done.
I also don't believe he's trying to do good,he's trying to get out and I stand by that.

But why did you and others so strongly claim then that if he turned us back to blue, fans would come flooding back? It might be the case for you, but we haven't lost 10k-12k fans because we played in red for a few years. Plenty of others owners have laughed at us - Hammam lied to our faces for years and held this club to ransom time and time again,

Even if he is trying to get out, he can't put money in unless the income is there to operate within FFP - for that to happen fans need to spend money with the club.

I never stopped going and kept going, some fans did return, but others decided they had been hurt to much and some had moved on due to not attending for a couple of years. I honestly thought more would return, but Sadly Tan hurt our club far more than I even realised.

For me,To take a clubs identity away is far worse in my opinion than any previous owner has ever ever done and that I can't forgive.

2021 Tony, the problem with that is, We could be relegated by then the way we are going

The title of this thread was "Too Much Negativity" and the above statement really points out what the OP was complaining about. Yes we could be relegated by 2021, we could fluke a promotion, we could be sold and do another Leicester.

I would rather be positive and support the club rather than being forever bitter about a mistake by an individual who has ended up paying a high price for his arrogance. Put it behind you buddy it's simply not worth it.

Tony, A couple of good signing before the deadline will bring a lot of positivity and u have to admit that

A win today,which can be done, will bring positivity

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

Agree with you and the club don't have to spend the cash on transfers there plenty of top quality free and loan transfers around

Perhaps, when our club shows some positivity and stregthens the team with a little ambition,then you will see positivity from our fans and of course bigger crowds, it works both ways

Agree with you and the club don't have to spend the cash on transfers there plenty of top quality free and loan transfers around

Wez, plenty of quality around

I think The 3 deadwood high earners are hurting us badly.

Probably cost us £4 to £5 mill a year between them.

Shame about Fabio going. Trollope certainly not being helped by 'the committee"

We are still cost cutting and the club have been fairly straight with this.

An exiting striker would be a boost to everyone

I think The 3 deadwood high earners are hurting us badly.

Probably cost us £4 to £5 mill a year between them.

Shame about Fabio going. Trollope certainly not being helped by 'the committee"

We are still cost cutting and the club have been fairly straight with this.

An exiting striker would be a boost to everyone

Totally agree with you and I think letting Fabio go was a massive mistake.

I think The 3 deadwood high earners are hurting us badly.

Probably cost us £4 to £5 mill a year between them.

Shame about Fabio going. Trollope certainly not being helped by 'the committee"

We are still cost cutting and the club have been fairly straight with this.

An exiting striker would be a boost to everyone

Totally agree with you and I think letting Fabio go was a massive mistake.

it wasn't the club choice, boro met his buy out clause he would be good in this formation

The damage Tan has done to our once proud club will never be forgotten or indeed forgiven. We could spend many many more years bouncing around the lower leagues. Hopefully we can stay as an established Championship side and let the team down the road sort our PL football for our nation, so Wales stays on the world football map

The damage Tan has done to our once proud club will never be forgotten or indeed forgiven. We could spend many many more years bouncing around the lower leagues. Hopefully we can stay as an established Championship side and let the team down the road sort our PL football for our nation, so Wales stays on the world football map

Why not join them as your so fond of them??

The damage Tan has done to our once proud club will never be forgotten or indeed forgiven. We could spend many many more years bouncing around the lower leagues. Hopefully we can stay as an established Championship side and let the team down the road sort our PL football for our nation, so Wales stays on the world football map

Why not join them as your so fond of them??

The damage Tan has done to our once proud club will never be forgotten or indeed forgiven. We could spend many many more years bouncing around the lower leagues. Hopefully we can stay as an established Championship side and let the team down the road sort our PL football for our nation, so Wales stays on the world football map

ok

i for one was not negative but truly pissed off with the first half performance today.

I have that right because I stood there first half looking where the hell was the front line. We continue with no front men then we are in for a longgggggggggggg season.

Look at the stats!!! people are talking about the facts,

I am really fed up with all the negativity on this forum at the moment, we are only 3 games into the season for heavens sake!
We have a new manager who is implementing a new system,he has brought in more welsh players, got Declan John back into the side and despite the results there are signs that we are playing more attacking attractive football.If Pilkington had scored the one on one we would have been 3 up and I think would have scored a few more.
The Tan out brigade are living in cuckoo land and seem to think there is a White Knight who will ride to the rescue and take over the club.
Give Trollope a chance and get behind the team, you should only look at the table after 10 games, lets see where we are after then and maybe all the negative posters on this forum will change their minds.

Take off the Rose tints and look at the stats... We are poor. If we continue with this formation then Tan need to put his hand in his pocket.