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Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:13 am

Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame

Gounongbe worked hard yesterday but a new striker is needed

By Chris Wathan

There was no horror miss from Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame.

In fairness, the Benin frontman – so chastised for his horrible error against Birmingham – worked hard here and put himself around, his endeavour making up for what he lacks in other departments. But if it was obvious before, it's more clear than ever now that Cardiff need a striker to give the new direction Paul Trollope is trying to take this side a point.

Cardiff held the ball well, looked wide when they good and tried to keep patient in possession. But – and Gounongbe was by no means the only one to point a finger at – the lack of the right kind of movement or understanding of the role in the final third meant there never looked any real hope of breaking the QPR defence down.

Emyr Huws may make a difference in midfield, but he needs someone to play a pass to. With time ticking down on the transfer window, Cardiff still need to spend.
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Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:20 am

I'm not blaming new recruits, it's not fair on them. I do believe they come here to try and make a name for themselves in the football world and do the best they can.

Everyone knows who's responsible for putting out players good enough for this club

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:32 am

Thought he did well yesterday and shouldnt have been subbed. Always looked a threat and he will get goals. I dont think this formation is helping at all.

Its all about confidence abd in not sure we had much yesterday. We were sat with a dutch family yesterday who popped in for the game while on holiday. They were surprised at our style of play and kept saying that we were playing with our heads dropped and with little confidence. He also knew immers well and said that he should have played better.

I think we will get something out of wednesday though.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:38 am

Can someone please teach the forwards the offside rule.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:30 am

We were caught off side so much yesaterday it was terrible by the player offside but the passing to the striker was terrible too
after watching the first 3 games I agree we need a striker but our midfield are to weak to play this system , Chopra would have trouble with this lot

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:36 am

he needs the service crosses and free kicks were awe full yesturday

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:16 am

He was ok in stages yesterday thought he shouldn't of got subbed as he probably was our Biggest goal threat and Zohore looked awful. We need someone linking midfield to attack better no one was creating space to drag defence around and provide a opening

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:32 am

Cant see how any of the strikers cant be criticised atm when they don't get any service, we gave Macheda and Alf stick because they had lots of chances that where wasted.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:08 pm

gwentbluebirds wrote:He was ok in stages yesterday thought he shouldn't of got subbed as he probably was our Biggest goal threat and Zohore looked awful. We need someone linking midfield to attack better no one was creating space to drag defence around and provide a opening


Have to agree fully with you. PT is using the Welsh system and within that system he has Anthony Pilkington playing the Gareth Bale role and Lex doing an Aaron Ramsey.

IMO Lex should be moved forward to link the Fred and Emyr Huws should fill his role with AP going to the bench. We are wasting Lex's finishing ability by playing him too deep and AP has no idea how to beat the offside trap.

Jazz Richards was pretty awful to although I thought Declan had a decent game but we need better delivery from out wide.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:08 pm

wez1927 wrote:he needs the service crosses and free kicks were awe full yesturday
:thumbup:

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:42 pm

Very hard to know how good he really is if gets no appropriate service to his feet :thumbup:

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:50 pm

tbh i thought freddy done well he won a lot balls in the air but nobody there to pick them up crying out for someone with pace to to play alongside him a p is not the answer i don't know much about healy but must be worth a go

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:05 pm

Bit harsh on Freddie I think. He's done ok, held the ball up well yesterday I thought. He can't score if he's getting no service.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:22 pm

To be honest, I thought he did well today. He held the ball up quite good, he won most of his aerial battles and I think if we can sign a pacey striker who knows where the net is, to play alongside him, then he could form a decent striking partnership with the striker. But that striker does need to have had some sort of Championship experience in the past, to be a success here. In my opinion we should also sign on loan for the season, a young, hungry and pacey striker from a Premiership club. If we are unable to bring in a young striker from the Premiership on loan for the season, then we should take a gamble on a League 1 or League 2 young, pacey, goalscoring striker that has fantastic potential and has got great resale value. A prime example of a Club signing, on a Season long loan, a young, pacey, forward that scores goals in the Championship and who has great potential is Bristol City and their signing of Tammy Abraham from Chelsea. He has scored 3 goals in 2 League games, so far already this season. His form may or may not last, but he certainly has added something different to their side so far, this season. Another quality young, pacey, goalscoring and full of potential striker is Ademola Lookman from Charlton Athletic, who has loads of potential and he is still only 18 years-old. Yes, he is probably out of our price range, but this is the kind of young striker that we could bring him on even more and with Trollope in charge, who wants to introduce more young players into the first team. He could be the best coach for Lookman to develop under. With Slade now in charge at Charlton, I think it's only a matter of time until Lookman finds himself getting frustrated at his lack of game time, because he's either sitting on the bench most of the time or in the stands, due to Russell Slade's unwillingness to give young players a proper chance in the first team. They signed 3 strikers already this summer in Nicky Ajose, Lee Novak and Josh Magennis. There is no way on earth that any of those 3 strikers should be playing more minutes than Lookman - barring injury - over the season. None of those 3 could lace Lookman's boots. Anyway, there are quite a few young and quality strikers around in League 1 or League 2. If there is a young striker scoring a bagful of goals in either of those divisions and he has many years ahead of him to improve and become a better striker, then scoring goals regularly will fill him with loads of confidence and if he's a natural goalscorer then he will score definitely score goals in the Championship. Just think of players like Andre Gray, Jamie Vardy, Britt Assombalonga, Charlie Austin, etc. There are many more strikers just like them, who showed their goalscoring ability in either League 1 or 2 and then got big moves to Championship clubs and at those times most of them had never played Championship football. But, because they played in League 1 or 2, it kind of set them on course to make the jump up to Championship level and they progressed from their. I really do not understand why so many people moan about players who we sign from the lower divisions. You can sign some cracking players from those leagues, especially if they're young, because that means that they're still learning due to their ages, so that means that they will only get better.

Whichever striker(s) we do bring in before the end of the Transfer Window. The main attributes they need to have, for them to be any kind of success here, is if they have great pace and they love scoring goals on a regular basis.

Bloooooobirds.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:34 pm

geggs_ccfc wrote:To be honest, I thought he did well today. He held the ball up quite good, he won most of his aerial battles and I think if we can sign a pacey striker who knows where the net is, to play alongside him, then he could form a decent striking partnership with the striker. But that striker does need to have had some sort of Championship experience in the past, to be a success here. In my opinion we should also sign on loan for the season, a young, hungry and pacey striker from a Premiership club. If we are unable to bring in a young striker from the Premiership on loan for the season, then we should take a gamble on a League 1 or League 2 young, pacey, goalscoring striker that has fantastic potential and has got great resale value. A prime example of a Club signing, on a Season long loan, a young, pacey, forward that scores goals in the Championship and who has great potential is Bristol City and their signing of Tammy Abraham from Chelsea. He has scored 3 goals in 2 League games, so far already this season. His form may or may not last, but he certainly has added something different to their side so far, this season. Another quality young, pacey, goalscoring and full of potential striker is Ademola Lookman from Charlton Athletic, who has loads of potential and he is still only 18 years-old. Yes, he is probably out of our price range, but this is the kind of young striker that we could bring him on even more and with Trollope in charge, who wants to introduce more young players into the first team. He could be the best coach for Lookman to develop under. With Slade now in charge at Charlton, I think it's only a matter of time until Lookman finds himself getting frustrated at his lack of game time, because he's either sitting on the bench most of the time or in the stands, due to Russell Slade's unwillingness to give young players a proper chance in the first team. They signed 3 strikers already this summer in Nicky Ajose, Lee Novak and Josh Magennis. There is no way on earth that any of those 3 strikers should be playing more minutes than Lookman - barring injury - over the season. None of those 3 could lace Lookman's boots. Anyway, there are quite a few young and quality strikers around in League 1 or League 2. If there is a young striker scoring a bagful of goals in either of those divisions and he has many years ahead of him to improve and become a better striker, then scoring goals regularly will fill him with loads of confidence and if he's a natural goalscorer then he will score definitely score goals in the Championship. Just think of players like Andre Gray, Jamie Vardy, Britt Assombalonga, Charlie Austin, etc. There are many more strikers just like them, who showed their goalscoring ability in either League 1 or 2 and then got big moves to Championship clubs and at those times most of them had never played Championship football. But, because they played in League 1 or 2, it kind of set them on course to make the jump up to Championship level and they progressed from their. I really do not understand why so many people moan about players who we sign from the lower divisions. You can sign some cracking players from those leagues, especially if they're young, because that means that they're still learning due to their ages, so that means that they will only get better.

Whichever striker(s) we do bring in before the end of the Transfer Window. The main attributes they need to have, for them to be any kind of success here, is if they have great pace and they love scoring goals on a regular basis.

Bloooooobirds.


Jeeeez .... Can anybody read that diatribe?

:lol: :lol:

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:36 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
gwentbluebirds wrote:He was ok in stages yesterday thought he shouldn't of got subbed as he probably was our Biggest goal threat and Zohore looked awful. We need someone linking midfield to attack better no one was creating space to drag defence around and provide a opening


Have to agree fully with you. PT is using the Welsh system and within that system he has Anthony Pilkington playing the Gareth Bale role and Lex doing an Aaron Ramsey.

IMO Lex should be moved forward to link the Fred and Emyr Huws should fill his role with AP going to the bench. We are wasting Lex's finishing ability by playing him too deep and AP has no idea how to beat the offside trap.

Jazz Richards was pretty awful to although I thought Declan had a decent game but we need better delivery from out wide.



Good analogy. Wales got away with a defensive formation because they had world class quality and blistering pace going forward

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:04 pm

geggs_ccfc wrote:To be honest, I thought he did well today. He held the ball up quite good, he won most of his aerial battles and I think if we can sign a pacey striker who knows where the net is, to play alongside him, then he could form a decent striking partnership with the striker. But that striker does need to have had some sort of Championship experience in the past, to be a success here. In my opinion we should also sign on loan for the season, a young, hungry and pacey striker from a Premiership club. If we are unable to bring in a young striker from the Premiership on loan for the season, then we should take a gamble on a League 1 or League 2 young, pacey, goalscoring striker that has fantastic potential and has got great resale value. A prime example of a Club signing, on a Season long loan, a young, pacey, forward that scores goals in the Championship and who has great potential is Bristol City and their signing of Tammy Abraham from Chelsea. He has scored 3 goals in 2 League games, so far already this season. His form may or may not last, but he certainly has added something different to their side so far, this season. Another quality young, pacey, goalscoring and full of potential striker is Ademola Lookman from Charlton Athletic, who has loads of potential and he is still only 18 years-old. Yes, he is probably out of our price range, but this is the kind of young striker that we could bring him on even more and with Trollope in charge, who wants to introduce more young players into the first team. He could be the best coach for Lookman to develop under. With Slade now in charge at Charlton, I think it's only a matter of time until Lookman finds himself getting frustrated at his lack of game time, because he's either sitting on the bench most of the time or in the stands, due to Russell Slade's unwillingness to give young players a proper chance in the first team. They signed 3 strikers already this summer in Nicky Ajose, Lee Novak and Josh Magennis. There is no way on earth that any of those 3 strikers should be playing more minutes than Lookman - barring injury - over the season. None of those 3 could lace Lookman's boots. Anyway, there are quite a few young and quality strikers around in League 1 or League 2. If there is a young striker scoring a bagful of goals in either of those divisions and he has many years ahead of him to improve and become a better striker, then scoring goals regularly will fill him with loads of confidence and if he's a natural goalscorer then he will score definitely score goals in the Championship. Just think of players like Andre Gray, Jamie Vardy, Britt Assombalonga, Charlie Austin, etc. There are many more strikers just like them, who showed their goalscoring ability in either League 1 or 2 and then got big moves to Championship clubs and at those times most of them had never played Championship football. But, because they played in League 1 or 2, it kind of set them on course to make the jump up to Championship level and they progressed from their. I really do not understand why so many people moan about players who we sign from the lower divisions. You can sign some cracking players from those leagues, especially if they're young, because that means that they're still learning due to their ages, so that means that they will only get better.

Whichever striker(s) we do bring in before the end of the Transfer Window. The main attributes they need to have, for them to be any kind of success here, is if they have great pace and they love scoring goals on a regular basis.

Bloooooobirds.


I'm so tempted to edit this and put in some paragraphs hehe. Thought better of it

Edit: It actually would be a good read if it was pleasurable to my burning eyes

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:38 pm

ThomasC wrote:
geggs_ccfc wrote:To be honest, I thought he did well today. He held the ball up quite good, he won most of his aerial battles and I think if we can sign a pacey striker who knows where the net is, to play alongside him, then he could form a decent striking partnership with the striker. But that striker does need to have had some sort of Championship experience in the past, to be a success here. In my opinion we should also sign on loan for the season, a young, hungry and pacey striker from a Premiership club. If we are unable to bring in a young striker from the Premiership on loan for the season, then we should take a gamble on a League 1 or League 2 young, pacey, goalscoring striker that has fantastic potential and has got great resale value. A prime example of a Club signing, on a Season long loan, a young, pacey, forward that scores goals in the Championship and who has great potential is Bristol City and their signing of Tammy Abraham from Chelsea. He has scored 3 goals in 2 League games, so far already this season. His form may or may not last, but he certainly has added something different to their side so far, this season. Another quality young, pacey, goalscoring and full of potential striker is Ademola Lookman from Charlton Athletic, who has loads of potential and he is still only 18 years-old. Yes, he is probably out of our price range, but this is the kind of young striker that we could bring him on even more and with Trollope in charge, who wants to introduce more young players into the first team. He could be the best coach for Lookman to develop under. With Slade now in charge at Charlton, I think it's only a matter of time until Lookman finds himself getting frustrated at his lack of game time, because he's either sitting on the bench most of the time or in the stands, due to Russell Slade's unwillingness to give young players a proper chance in the first team. They signed 3 strikers already this summer in Nicky Ajose, Lee Novak and Josh Magennis. There is no way on earth that any of those 3 strikers should be playing more minutes than Lookman - barring injury - over the season. None of those 3 could lace Lookman's boots. Anyway, there are quite a few young and quality strikers around in League 1 or League 2. If there is a young striker scoring a bagful of goals in either of those divisions and he has many years ahead of him to improve and become a better striker, then scoring goals regularly will fill him with loads of confidence and if he's a natural goalscorer then he will score definitely score goals in the Championship. Just think of players like Andre Gray, Jamie Vardy, Britt Assombalonga, Charlie Austin, etc. There are many more strikers just like them, who showed their goalscoring ability in either League 1 or 2 and then got big moves to Championship clubs and at those times most of them had never played Championship football. But, because they played in League 1 or 2, it kind of set them on course to make the jump up to Championship level and they progressed from their. I really do not understand why so many people moan about players who we sign from the lower divisions. You can sign some cracking players from those leagues, especially if they're young, because that means that they're still learning due to their ages, so that means that they will only get better.

Whichever striker(s) we do bring in before the end of the Transfer Window. The main attributes they need to have, for them to be any kind of success here, is if they have great pace and they love scoring goals on a regular basis.

Bloooooobirds.


I'm so tempted to edit this and put in some paragraphs hehe. Thought better of it

Edit: It actually would be a good read if it was pleasurable to my burning eyes

Exactly my thoughts. :laughing6:

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:46 am

I agree, sorry boys. I do tend to ramble on and forget to add a paragraph or two, three, four, etc. Now I know why no bugger reads or replies to any of my posts.

In future, I will try and remember to use a paragraph or two in all of my posts, if need be.

Bloooooobirds.

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:10 am

We need a striker who has pace, good feet, can head the ball, hold the ball up, work hard and bang 18-20 goals in a season............................Must be loads of them about, come on Cardiff wake up :laughing6:
Oh and on a free transfer

Re: ' Frederic Gounongbe this time to blame '

Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:48 pm

valleyrambill wrote:We were caught off side so much yesaterday it was terrible by the player offside but the passing to the striker was terrible too
after watching the first 3 games I agree we need a striker but our midfield are to weak to play this system , Chopra would have trouble with this lot

Is he another Eddie johnson :lol: