' Perspective! '

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Well said buddy, some of our fans reaction to last night has shocked me considering the fact 5 of those changes havnt really played in this formation much I thought they done well, football was good, movement was a lot better. I loved just watching the way that formation works.

I agree with you.
The system we have adopted needs time as it can't be implemented over night. I like the 3 at the back tactics but we have to give it time.
Besides the striker we obviously need to be more creative in the last third and play with more pace and at a higher tempo.

Let's at least give it 2-3 months before we're all suicidal.

Well said buddy, some of our fans reaction to last night has shocked me considering the fact 5 of those changes havnt really played in this formation much I thought they done well, football was good, movement was a lot better. I loved just watching the way that formation works.

People reacting as if that was our best team Moore isn't no1 and look what happened? Let's wait until 12 games in and re assess chances this season .

Well said buddy, some of our fans reaction to last night has shocked me considering the fact 5 of those changes havnt really played in this formation much I thought they done well, football was good, movement was a lot better. I loved just watching the way that formation works.

I agree. There is also nearly 3 weeks until the transfer deadline.


People reacting as if that was our best team Moore isn't no1 and look what happened? Let's wait until 12 games in and re assess chances this season .

Well said buddy, some of our fans reaction to last night has shocked me considering the fact 5 of those changes havnt really played in this formation much I thought they done well, football was good, movement was a lot better. I loved just watching the way that formation works.

People reacting as if that was our best team Moore isn't no1 and look what happened? Let's wait until 12 games in and re assess chances this season .

There's still time for our knowledgeable transfer committee to flog Marshall.

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

I think the perspective is around the team last night should (on paper) be winning League 2 and certainly in top six in League 1.

It was very side to side and no creativity for 70 minutes, you'd expect them to really have a go at Brizzle but it was like a training game at times (a lot of the time in the 1st half) - and if you want fans to back a club, you have to do better than that given the team on display. Lethargic and devoid of ideas for much of the game, and quite rightly, some very disappointing performances by a two or three!

People reacting as if that was our best team Moore isn't no1 and look what happened? Let's wait until 12 games in and re assess chances this season .

Yeah, exactly! Moore should of saved that shot aswell and if o'keefe hadnt of snapped his arm he wouldn't of been able to get the shot away in the first place. You're right, let's see where we are after 12 games and make a decision then

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

I think the perspective is around the team last night should (on paper) be winning League 2 and certainly in top six in League 1.

It was very side to side and no creativity for 70 minutes, you'd expect them to really have a go at Brizzle but it was like a training game at times (a lot of the time in the 1st half) - and if you want fans to back a club, you have to do better than that given the team on display. Lethargic and devoid of ideas for much of the game, and quite rightly, some very disappointing performances by a two or three!

But 9 other champ teams lost to lower league teams for doing what city did? It shows you cannot play weakened team and expect to beat teams like rovers who were up for a fight ( they played 1st 11)

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

I think the perspective is around the team last night should (on paper) be winning League 2 and certainly in top six in League 1.

It was very side to side and no creativity for 70 minutes, you'd expect them to really have a go at Brizzle but it was like a training game at times (a lot of the time in the 1st half) - and if you want fans to back a club, you have to do better than that given the team on display. Lethargic and devoid of ideas for much of the game, and quite rightly, some very disappointing performances by a two or three!

But 9 other champ teams lost to lower league teams for doing what city did? It shows you cannot play weakened team and expect to beat teams like rovers who were up for a fight ( they played 1st 11)

I think 9 other CH sides (including Villa!), made a damn good fight of it!

But also I suspect 5-6 of those sides are getting caned by their supporters as well!

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

I think the perspective is around the team last night should (on paper) be winning League 2 and certainly in top six in League 1.

It was very side to side and no creativity for 70 minutes, you'd expect them to really have a go at Brizzle but it was like a training game at times (a lot of the time in the 1st half) - and if you want fans to back a club, you have to do better than that given the team on display. Lethargic and devoid of ideas for much of the game, and quite rightly, some very disappointing performances by a two or three!

But 9 other champ teams lost to lower league teams for doing what city did? It shows you cannot play weakened team and expect to beat teams like rovers who were up for a fight ( they played 1st 11)

I think 9 other CH sides (including Villa!), made a damn good fight of it!

But also I suspect 5-6 of those sides are getting caned by their supporters as well!

Villa played a 1st 11 nearly Inc mccormack yes no doubt the others getting hammered by fans so they should it's about time the championship teams got real about league cup and took it seriously ffs only played 1 league game need more match time to gel really

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

I think the perspective is around the team last night should (on paper) be winning League 2 and certainly in top six in League 1.

It was very side to side and no creativity for 70 minutes, you'd expect them to really have a go at Brizzle but it was like a training game at times (a lot of the time in the 1st half) - and if you want fans to back a club, you have to do better than that given the team on display. Lethargic and devoid of ideas for much of the game, and quite rightly, some very disappointing performances by a two or three!

But 9 other champ teams lost to lower league teams for doing what city did? It shows you cannot play weakened team and expect to beat teams like rovers who were up for a fight ( they played 1st 11)

I think 9 other CH sides (including Villa!), made a damn good fight of it!

But also I suspect 5-6 of those sides are getting caned by their supporters as well!

You clearly didn't watch the Villa game. Make a fight of it they did not. A gutless performance and they were lucky Luton didn't put 6 on them. Even their chairman has said there is no way back for some players after that performance.

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

It was a disappointing performance and result but with perspective it saves a pointless mid week trip to Scunthorpe and Rovers get a dream day out at Chelsea.

As defeats go its not the worst and hopefully PT will work on those bloody strikers and get them to do what they are paid to do

Awful performance however this wont be the first or last time we and other high league clubs go crashing out the cup. This doesn't bring to much cause for concern at the moment.

Good post,and it's not like we haven't done this before!

Good post,and it's not like we haven't done this before!

We've not been good enough to win these sort of games plenty of times before which is probably why we have'nt been good enough to get into the top league apart from once in half a century. This was no huge shock, which is why it will be no huge shock when we don't get a sniff of promotion this season.

I like the optimism by posters to this thread.
However, I'm a realist and my honest opinion on what I saw against Rovers, is that Trollope has a great deal of work on his hands. It's not the formation. The formation is fine. Put simply, it's the players.

From top to bottom...

Up front - I felt sorry for both Zohore and Freddy as they didn't get any service or support from the midfield.

The midfield - too busy playing sideways and backwards. No movement. No flair. No end result.
God knows what's happened to Noone. He used to be a cut inside one trick pony. But the pony has gone - he just had a mare. He looked lost. Ralls just isn't good enough - not sure if he's just trying to hard. I don't know. Shows glimpses of promise then gives the ball away too easily and far too frequently. Same can be said for O'Keefe. A battler, but passion with limited ability on the ball will only take us so far. We badly missed Lex.
I like Gunner, but whether he's match rusty or has other issues on his mind (transfer) - he like O'Keefe tried hard, but with no pace - it was always going to be an uphill struggle. Rovers quite happy to defend in numbers, get men behind the ball and let our midfield fart about with it 50 yards away from any danger. We needed someone who was able to look up and play a pass and bridge the massive void between the defence and forward line.

Wing backs - it may sound harsh, but both John and Richards were terrible and that's being polite. To the extent I soon forgot all about the Ayatollah. Both lack any confidence on the ball and both were not willing or able to run with the ball and try to beat his man. This was highlighted after we have sold the only player in the squad (Fabio) who would have suited the wing back role perfectly. Pace, skill and passion. John in particular was incredibly vulnerable in the air. This frailty, I'm sure will have been picked up on by any of the Championship managers watching.

Defence - the only part of the team that did ok. Hung on a little at times due to the lack of support. But all 3 can hold their head high. It says something about a team performance when Manga was MOM and Connolly was our main goal threat.

Keeper - some of the criticism has been unjust. Moore did pull off 2 or 3 brilliant low saves. Yes he could of done better with the goal, but he stopped the scoreline being considerably worse than what it actually should of been.

Now whether you think all things are dandy in CCFC Fantasy land or not that's your opinion.
I can only call it how I saw it. Losing to a team that 2 years ago 9 of them were playing non league football is not to be sugar coated as anything other than what it was - a very poor performance.

I like the optimism by posters to this thread.
However, I'm a realist and my honest opinion on what I saw against Rovers, is that Trollope has a great deal of work on his hands. It's not the formation. The formation is fine. Put simply, it's the players.

From top to bottom...

Up front - I felt sorry for both Zohore and Freddy as they didn't get any service or support from the midfield.

The midfield - too busy playing sideways and backwards. No movement. No flair. No end result.
God knows what's happened to Noone. He used to be a cut inside one trick pony. But the pony has gone - he just had a mare. He looked lost. Ralls just isn't good enough - not sure if he's just trying to hard. I don't know. Shows glimpses of promise then gives the ball away too easily and far too frequently. Same can be said for O'Keefe. A battler, but passion with limited ability on the ball will only take us so far. We badly missed Lex.
I like Gunner, but whether he's match rusty or has other issues on his mind (transfer) - he like O'Keefe tried hard, but with no pace - it was always going to be an uphill struggle. Rovers quite happy to defend in numbers, get men behind the ball and let our midfield fart about with it 50 yards away from any danger. We needed someone who was able to look up and play a pass and bridge the massive void between the defence and forward line.

Wing backs - it may sound harsh, but both John and Richards were terrible and that's being polite. To the extent I soon forgot all about the Ayatollah. Both lack any confidence on the ball and both were not willing or able to run with the ball and try to beat his man. This was highlighted after we have sold the only player in the squad (Fabio) who would have suited the wing back role perfectly. Pace, skill and passion. John in particular was incredibly vulnerable in the air. This frailty, I'm sure will have been picked up on by any of the Championship managers watching.

Defence - the only part of the team that did ok. Hung on a little at times due to the lack of support. But all 3 can hold their head high. It says something about a team performance when Manga was MOM and Connolly was our main goal threat.

Keeper - some of the criticism has been unjust. Moore did pull off 2 or 3 brilliant low saves. Yes he could of done better with the goal, but he stopped the scoreline being considerably worse than what it actually should of been.

Now whether you think all things are dandy in CCFC Fantasy land or not that's your opinion.
I can only call it how I saw it. Losing to a team that 2 years ago 9 of them were playing non league football is not to be sugar coated as anything other than what it was - a very poor performance.

Ok barring one or two it was a very poor performance. But do you think in a home league game with (hopefully) a hell of alot more support and the adition of some key players that we were missing and the players all staying on the pitch when the oposition have a shot at goal, we could turn a very poor performance into a satisfactory one at least, or even a great one?

Its not beyond the realms of posibility and as Trollope knows a Manager is only as good as his last game, so its down to him to prove hes got what it takes to challenge for something and give the fans something to get out of their seats for.

People keep saying judge him in 10 or 12 games but when it comes to the crunch alot of fans are judge, jury and executioner before he gets through his first stick of gum in the dugout!

I like the optimism by posters to this thread.
However, I'm a realist and my honest opinion on what I saw against Rovers, is that Trollope has a great deal of work on his hands. It's not the formation. The formation is fine. Put simply, it's the players.

From top to bottom...

Up front - I felt sorry for both Zohore and Freddy as they didn't get any service or support from the midfield.

The midfield - too busy playing sideways and backwards. No movement. No flair. No end result.
God knows what's happened to Noone. He used to be a cut inside one trick pony. But the pony has gone - he just had a mare. He looked lost. Ralls just isn't good enough - not sure if he's just trying to hard. I don't know. Shows glimpses of promise then gives the ball away too easily and far too frequently. Same can be said for O'Keefe. A battler, but passion with limited ability on the ball will only take us so far. We badly missed Lex.
I like Gunner, but whether he's match rusty or has other issues on his mind (transfer) - he like O'Keefe tried hard, but with no pace - it was always going to be an uphill struggle. Rovers quite happy to defend in numbers, get men behind the ball and let our midfield fart about with it 50 yards away from any danger. We needed someone who was able to look up and play a pass and bridge the massive void between the defence and forward line.

Wing backs - it may sound harsh, but both John and Richards were terrible and that's being polite. To the extent I soon forgot all about the Ayatollah. Both lack any confidence on the ball and both were not willing or able to run with the ball and try to beat his man. This was highlighted after we have sold the only player in the squad (Fabio) who would have suited the wing back role perfectly. Pace, skill and passion. John in particular was incredibly vulnerable in the air. This frailty, I'm sure will have been picked up on by any of the Championship managers watching.

Defence - the only part of the team that did ok. Hung on a little at times due to the lack of support. But all 3 can hold their head high. It says something about a team performance when Manga was MOM and Connolly was our main goal threat.

Keeper - some of the criticism has been unjust. Moore did pull off 2 or 3 brilliant low saves. Yes he could of done better with the goal, but he stopped the scoreline being considerably worse than what it actually should of been.

Now whether you think all things are dandy in CCFC Fantasy land or not that's your opinion.
I can only call it how I saw it. Losing to a team that 2 years ago 9 of them were playing non league football is not to be sugar coated as anything other than what it was - a very poor performance.

Ok barring one or two it was a very poor performance. But do you think in a home league game with (hopefully) a hell of alot more support and the adition of some key players that we were missing and the players all staying on the pitch when the oposition have a shot at goal, we could turn a very poor performance into a satisfactory one at least, or even a great one?

Its not beyond the realms of posibility and as Trollope knows a Manager is only as good as his last game, so its down to him to prove hes got what it takes to challenge for something and give the fans something to get out of their seats for.

People keep saying judge him in 10 or 12 games but when it comes to the crunch alot of fans are judge, jury and executioner before he gets through his first stick of gum in the dugout!

Very true the league for that matters and brum was satisfactory with 1st 11 so no need to go ott over a game that city was always in danger of losing playing a changed side.

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Your wasting your time with some on here. Theres a new manager here trying to change things so needs to be given time. The season has just started and already the negative section are sharpening their knives..
It's like if some love to see cardiff failing because of one agenda or another..
The teams we play in the championship were only a distant dream years ago when we were playing stockport and lincoln some fans have short memories

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Your wasting your time with some on here. Theres a new manager here trying to change things so needs to be given time. The season has just started and already the negative section are sharpening their knives..
It's like if some love to see cardiff failing because of one agenda or another..
The teams we play in the championship were only a distant dream years ago when we were playing stockport and lincoln some fans have short memories

It's not always a matter of being negative. It's trying to understand those who one minute say we have a squad capable of play offs, and then the same people saying we should'nt expect to beat teams like Rovers because we made a few changes.The defeat suggests that our squad is not that strong when we struggle against a group of players, many of whom were playing non league football a couple of years back. Perhaps our strongest eleven may have won, but we obviously don't have much in reserve.

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Your wasting your time with some on here. Theres a new manager here trying to change things so needs to be given time. The season has just started and already the negative section are sharpening their knives..
It's like if some love to see cardiff failing because of one agenda or another..
The teams we play in the championship were only a distant dream years ago when we were playing stockport and lincoln some fans have short memories

It's not always a matter of being negative. It's trying to understand those who one minute say we have a squad capable of play offs, and then the same people saying we should'nt expect to beat teams like Rovers because we made a few changes.The defeat suggests that our squad is not that strong when we struggle against a group of players, many of whom were playing non league football a couple of years back. Perhaps our strongest eleven may have won, but we obviously don't have much in reserve.

I just think making 6 changes was to much in respect of continuity especially when trying new system! In highnsight shouldn't have made all the changes he did, after all only played one game So far so to me was no risks playing 1st 11. And try to progress in competition

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Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

I think the perspective is around the team last night should (on paper) be winning League 2 and certainly in top six in League 1.

It was very side to side and no creativity for 70 minutes, you'd expect them to really have a go at Brizzle but it was like a training game at times (a lot of the time in the 1st half) - and if you want fans to back a club, you have to do better than that given the team on display. Lethargic and devoid of ideas for much of the game, and quite rightly, some very disappointing performances by a two or three!

But 9 other champ teams lost to lower league teams for doing what city did? It shows you cannot play weakened team and expect to beat teams like rovers who were up for a fight ( they played 1st 11)

I think 9 other CH sides (including Villa!), made a damn good fight of it!

But also I suspect 5-6 of those sides are getting caned by their supporters as well!

If you think Villa made a good fist of it then I feel you're very much mistaken! They looked a broken team that shit themselves every time a ball was played into their box. I personally thought Villa were awful, granted we were not much better but like stated, if we had Lex, Whitts and Pilks in from the start plus Fred up top it would have been different.

Gunnarsson didn't do himself any favours for a starting place in my opinion last night either. Ralls looked busy but O'Keefe and Gunnarsson weren't good enough.

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Your wasting your time with some on here. Theres a new manager here trying to change things so needs to be given time. The season has just started and already the negative section are sharpening their knives..
It's like if some love to see cardiff failing because of one agenda or another..
The teams we play in the championship were only a distant dream years ago when we were playing stockport and lincoln some fans have short memories

how long has Trollope been at the club and how well does he know the players

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Your wasting your time with some on here. Theres a new manager here trying to change things so needs to be given time. The season has just started and already the negative section are sharpening their knives..
It's like if some love to see cardiff failing because of one agenda or another..
The teams we play in the championship were only a distant dream years ago when we were playing stockport and lincoln some fans have short memories

how long has Trollope been at the club and how well does he know the players

He's still the new manager he may well have know most of the players before being no1 but now hes trying to do things his own way whilst there are players coming and going? Surely you know that or have you only just found out about the game called football

Read lots of different threads about last night and about team! We made 6 changes that effected performance ask the other 9 champ sides who lost to lower league teams by doing same thing , if had 1st 11 out performance totally different ! yes badly need out and out striker but early days and not ready to throw in towel just yet not like a lot of you

Your wasting your time with some on here. Theres a new manager here trying to change things so needs to be given time. The season has just started and already the negative section are sharpening their knives..
It's like if some love to see cardiff failing because of one agenda or another..
The teams we play in the championship were only a distant dream years ago when we were playing stockport and lincoln some fans have short memories

how long has Trollope been at the club and how well does he know the players

He's still the new manager he may well have know most of the players before being no1 but now hes trying to do things his own way whilst there are players coming and going? Surely you know that or have you only just found out about the game called football

If he can't get this team firing, I won't be blaming him. You mentioned the incoming and outgoing transfers, I don't believe that is solely the Head Coaches job role, unless he seen something in Zahore last season, demanded that Tan sign him up and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Perhaps Trollope didn't want him, who knows. I'm all confused and it's 2am