' VINCENT TAN IS LEARNING '

There is hope the new start under Paul Trollope can lead to an exciting season, with Ken Choo revealing Vincent Tan's hopes for the campaign.

By Chris Wathan

Thursday August 4th 2016

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Choo said: “We are trying to improve on the last two seasons, but progressively rather than just pumping in £15m. We're trying to do it in stages. Previously things have not been as smooth but in the last two years we have tried to make more sensible decisions. Vincent is taking his time and studying things a lot more and is learning.

"This is his seventh season so he is making the right decisions. He identified the structure of the coaching team with Paul before the Euros, so he knows what he is doing. It is not as if Wales have been successful and then identified Paul. He is doing more homework.

“But we want play-offs, and promotion – because there is no point being in the play-offs without being promoted. That is the target. There is no owner in the Championship who wants to stay there, they want to get promoted.

“It's a big weekend for us. Paul is doing well and you can see with the new coaching staff the discipline level has increased significantly. The boys are very happy with the configuration of the coaching team.”

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some will say im wrong, but for me, its too late, I cannot forget and I cannot forgive sadly. hes a shrewd business man and this had embarrassed him, I really do believe he's doing his best to re-coup as much as he can before trying to find a buyer.

some will say im wrong, but for me, its too late, I cannot forget and I cannot forgive sadly. hes a shrewd business man and this had embarrassed him, I really do believe he's doing his best to re-coup as much as he can before trying to find a buyer.

Thats 100% how I feel and I see it and so do many other City fans I know.

I can't change how I feel, they were my worst years in my 43 years of being a season ticket holder, I still hurt now about it.

Better late than never I suppose.

Vincent would be better off with a new club in all honesty. The majority of fans will always remain apathetic to his presence.

I'm sorry, Paul Trollope is not 'doing well' he hasn't bloody started yet

Can't hold grudges forever and they are still not queing up to buy the club.

some will say im wrong, but for me, its too late, I cannot forget and I cannot forgive sadly. hes a shrewd business man and this had embarrassed him, I really do believe he's doing his best to re-coup as much as he can before trying to find a buyer.

Same here as well I'm afraid.

Can't hold grudges forever and they are still not queing up to buy the club.

The latter point being a major one that many need to appreciate!

any fan who cares about the tradition of cardiff city would want tan to be involved less, not more. it must be said that he is learning incredibly slowly for a so called billionaire businessman, making several embarrassingly bad, key decisions along the way.

we seem to be lurching from one manager to another without any long term plan or philosophy. the club clear the deck and allow solskjaer to reshape the club from top to bottom, giving him huge sums to spend in the process, then promptly change strategy and appoint slade to undergo large scale cost cutting. slade is then appointed in a senior strategical role and then allowed to leave weeks after.

our best hope is that tan leaves football matters to people that know what they are doing. ken choo has no experience in football yet he is tasked to be the man to get deals done in the murky world of football. what could possibly go wrong?

People like us have no influence on owners of football clubs.

Unless we vote with our feet.

Realistically if you go regular, enjoy the ride, enjoy the game, the day, the moment.

Typical game:

In the club before bus picks you up

The banter on the bus

The Pints in the game pre match

The walk to the ground

Meeting everybody in your section

The half time get together

The second half excitement

The post match debate

The sing song on the way home

The bollox talked in the club when you get back

Waking up on Sunday morning and wondering was it all a dream.

If we win, it's a bonus.

Being with your mates on a sAturday for the footie is brill and there are a lot of teams worse off than us.

Vincent Tan in the grand scheme of things is an irrelevance. His money kept us going but when he came on board i genuinly think he didn't understand football and was badly advised by people who should have known better. But hey ho things seem to have improved and who knows what will happen next. I have met Ken Choo and he seems a genuine chap who is seeking to improve the club. Why wouldn't he. That's what I can't understand, is that some people think that there people delibrately trying to sabatoge the club. Why would they do that? It's their livelihood, the more sucessful the club are, the more money they will earn, simple really. Nobody encourages failure.

People like us have no influence on owners of football clubs.

Unless we vote with our feet.

Realistically if you go regular, enjoy the ride, enjoy the game, the day, the moment.

Typical game:

In the club before bus picks you up

The banter on the bus

The Pints in the game pre match

The walk to the ground

Meeting everybody in your section

The half time get together

The second half excitement

The post match debate

The sing song on the way home

The bollox talked in the club when you get back

Waking up on Sunday morning and wondering was it all a dream.

If we win, it's a bonus.

Being with your mates on a sAturday for the footie is brill and there are a lot of teams worse off than us.

Vincent Tan in the grand scheme of things is an irrelevance. His money kept us going but when he came on board i genuinly think he didn't understand football and was badly advised by people who should have known better. But hey ho things seem to have improved and who knows what will happen next. I have met Ken Choo and he seems a genuine chap who is seeking to improve the club. Why wouldn't he. That's what I can't understand, is that some people think that there people delibrately trying to sabatoge the club. Why would they do that? It's their livelihood, the more sucessful the club are, the more money they will earn, simple really. Nobody encourages failure.

very good post spike

People like us have no influence on owners of football clubs.

Unless we vote with our feet.

Realistically if you go regular, enjoy the ride, enjoy the game, the day, the moment.

Typical game:

In the club before bus picks you up

The banter on the bus

The Pints in the game pre match

The walk to the ground

Meeting everybody in your section

The half time get together

The second half excitement

The post match debate

The sing song on the way home

The bollox talked in the club when you get back

Waking up on Sunday morning and wondering was it all a dream.

If we win, it's a bonus.

Being with your mates on a sAturday for the footie is brill and there are a lot of teams worse off than us.

Vincent Tan in the grand scheme of things is an irrelevance. His money kept us going but when he came on board i genuinly think he didn't understand football and was badly advised by people who should have known better. But hey ho things seem to have improved and who knows what will happen next. I have met Ken Choo and he seems a genuine chap who is seeking to improve the club. Why wouldn't he. That's what I can't understand, is that some people think that there people delibrately trying to sabatoge the club. Why would they do that? It's their livelihood, the more sucessful the club are, the more money they will earn, simple really. Nobody encourages failure.

Excellent post.

Vinnie the Red....absentee owner. Let's have owners who actually care. Like the fans themselves.

Vinnie the Red....absentee owner. Let's have owners who actually care. Like the fans themselves.

Yes utopia would be nice but very unrealistic! Vast majority of owners have nothing to do with the club they own?

Can't hold grudges forever and they are still not queing up to buy the club.

The latter point being a major one that many need to appreciate!

No one will buy us until we are in a realistic financial way! as for grudges obviously there are some who will always hold grudge for life that's their parogative.

Micro managing everything isn't learning, he's just turned into a control freak. Trollope should be given a budget and left to scout and bring in his own players that he wants while remaining in dialogue with Choo. This transfer committee is an absolute joke and it's getting embarrassing watching our managers trying to look enthusiastic about signings that Tan has made.

Micro managing everything isn't learning, he's just turned into a control freak. Trollope should be given a budget and left to scout and bring in his own players that he wants while remaining in dialogue with Choo. This transfer committee is an absolute joke and it's getting embarrassing watching our managers trying to look enthusiastic about signings that Tan has made.

So the couple signings we have made recently are no good? Well tan as signed them according to you!! Most fans appear pleased with them .

People like us have no influence on owners of football clubs.

Unless we vote with our feet.

Realistically if you go regular, enjoy the ride, enjoy the game, the day, the moment.

Typical game:

In the club before bus picks you up

The banter on the bus

The Pints in the game pre match

The walk to the ground

Meeting everybody in your section

The half time get together

The second half excitement

The post match debate

The sing song on the way home

The bollox talked in the club when you get back

Waking up on Sunday morning and wondering was it all a dream.

If we win, it's a bonus.

Being with your mates on a sAturday for the footie is brill and there are a lot of teams worse off than us.

Vincent Tan in the grand scheme of things is an irrelevance. His money kept us going but when he came on board i genuinly think he didn't understand football and was badly advised by people who should have known better. But hey ho things seem to have improved and who knows what will happen next. I have met Ken Choo and he seems a genuine chap who is seeking to improve the club. Why wouldn't he. That's what I can't understand, is that some people think that there people delibrately trying to sabatoge the club. Why would they do that? It's their livelihood, the more sucessful the club are, the more money they will earn, simple really. Nobody encourages failure.

Love that post spike. Makes me really miss going down. Unfortunately, the combination of work and having two kids under 3 years old means the prospect of me having a season ticket is out of the question for at least another 2-3 years whether Tan is here or not. Bloody miss it though.

Micro managing everything isn't learning, he's just turned into a control freak. Trollope should be given a budget and left to scout and bring in his own players that he wants while remaining in dialogue with Choo. This transfer committee is an absolute joke and it's getting embarrassing watching our managers trying to look enthusiastic about signings that Tan has made.

So the couple signings we have made recently are no good? Well tan as signed them according to you!! Most fans appear pleased with them .

I'm talking about the likes of Zohore, Saadi and maybe Gounongbé. deals done from Tans other clubs, you can't say 100% that Slade and Trollope were happy with those deals.

Micro managing everything isn't learning, he's just turned into a control freak. Trollope should be given a budget and left to scout and bring in his own players that he wants while remaining in dialogue with Choo. This transfer committee is an absolute joke and it's getting embarrassing watching our managers trying to look enthusiastic about signings that Tan has made.

So the couple signings we have made recently are no good? Well tan as signed them according to you!! Most fans appear pleased with them .

I'm talking about the likes of Zohore, Saadi and maybe Gounongbé. deals done from Tans other clubs, you can't say 100% that Slade and Trollope were happy with those deals.

Cannot say if good deals or not Who knows if they were happy, as for taking from other tans teams Watford did it massively and other teams with feeder clubs do it so nothing wrong with that?

Can't hold grudges forever and they are still not queing up to buy the club.

The latter point being a major one that many need to appreciate!

No one will buy us until we are in a realistic financial way! as for grudges obviously there are some who will always hold grudge for life that's their parogative.

Yes, people whinging about Tan really need to come up with the names of someone willing to pay him £150m for the club otherwise why would Tan walk away.

There have been plenty of more attractive clubs who have struggled to find buyers, Hull, Villa,etc so why would anyone want to buy us.

I've always said, the only way Tan will be able to generate enough money to leave would be to get us back into the Prem. I just hope/wish the penny would drop and he would see that actually is he just gave Trollope £5m to buy a striker and a winger that may actually happen !!

Can't hold grudges forever and they are still not queing up to buy the club.

The latter point being a major one that many need to appreciate!

No one will buy us until we are in a realistic financial way! as for grudges obviously there are some who will always hold grudge for life that's their parogative.

Yes, people whinging about Tan really need to come up with the names of someone willing to pay him £150m for the club otherwise why would Tan walk away.

There have been plenty of more attractive clubs who have struggled to find buyers, Hull, Villa,etc so why would anyone want to buy us.

I've always said, the only way Tan will be able to generate enough money to leave would be to get us back into the Prem. I just hope/wish the penny would drop and he would see that actually is he just gave Trollope £5m to buy a striker and a winger that may actually happen !!

Yes sometimes you need to speculate just slightly to accumulate, and that is what we need now!!

Yes it hurts and more so how the fans turned that hurt more than what Tan done. I said I would be off his back if he gave us our identity back and I have stuck to my word. The fact he has been stripping the playing staff down making us more self sufficient I 100% agree with this. What i didn't agree with, was we were going backwards badly with Slade at the helm.
Now we have a manager who wants to play the game with a bit of flair and I am happy with that, I just hope we give him time, also Tan is now coming to the way of thinking we need more local lads, more younger lads instead of the bullshit of tapping into the Malaysian and Chinese markets.
I am looking forward to this season now the first time since we was turned red and I hope the fans get behind Trollepe and the team and give the system a fair chance to work.

Yes it hurts and more so how the fans turned that hurt more than what Tan done. I said I would be off his back if he gave us our identity back and I have stuck to my word. The fact he has been stripping the playing staff down making us more self sufficient I 100% agree with this. What i didn't agree with, was we were going backwards badly with Slade at the helm.
Now we have a manager who wants to play the game with a bit of flair and I am happy with that, I just hope we give him time, also Tan is now coming to the way of thinking we need more local lads, more younger lads instead of the bullshit of tapping into the Malaysian and Chinese markets.
I am looking forward to this season now the first time since we was turned red and I hope the fans get behind Trollepe and the team and give the system a fair chance to work.

One of your best posts on here

People like us have no influence on owners of football clubs.

Unless we vote with our feet.

Realistically if you go regular, enjoy the ride, enjoy the game, the day, the moment.

Typical game:

In the club before bus picks you up

The banter on the bus

The Pints in the game pre match

The walk to the ground

Meeting everybody in your section

The half time get together

The second half excitement

The post match debate

The sing song on the way home

The bollox talked in the club when you get back

Waking up on Sunday morning and wondering was it all a dream.

If we win, it's a bonus.

Being with your mates on a sAturday for the footie is brill and there are a lot of teams worse off than us.

Vincent Tan in the grand scheme of things is an irrelevance. His money kept us going but when he came on board i genuinly think he didn't understand football and was badly advised by people who should have known better. But hey ho things seem to have improved and who knows what will happen next. I have met Ken Choo and he seems a genuine chap who is seeking to improve the club. Why wouldn't he. That's what I can't understand, is that some people think that there people delibrately trying to sabatoge the club. Why would they do that? It's their livelihood, the more sucessful the club are, the more money they will earn, simple really. Nobody encourages failure.

Excellent post.

Rick, I only just read this and have to agree whole-heartedly!

some will say im wrong, but for me, its too late, I cannot forget and I cannot forgive sadly. hes a shrewd business man and this had embarrassed him, I really do believe he's doing his best to re-coup as much as he can before trying to find a buyer.

Spot On.