' CARDIFF CITY NEED TO SELL '

' CARDIFF CITY NEED TO SELL '


Cardiff City Chief Executive Ken Choo says players need to leave the club first before new signings are made.

Ken Choo also said he can't rule out losing 1 or 2 key players, if a big offer comes in for Marshall or Manga they will consider it.

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Who have you got that is worth any value?

Lol

Who have you got that is worth any value?

Just the ones we want to keep... Most valuable Marshall and Manga I guess, a few others we might get 1.5-2m for but would be tough to replace for that price.

The ones we really need to get rid of are Le Fondre, Macheda, and Dikgacoi, most likely on frees/low transfers mostly to reduce wage bill.

Who have you got that is worth any value?

Just the ones we want to keep... Most valuable Marshall and Manga I guess, a few others we might get 1.5-2m for but would be tough to replace for that price.

The ones we really need to get rid of are Le Fondre, Macheda, and Dikgacoi, most likely on frees/low transfers mostly to reduce wage bill.

I'd definitely sell Marshall if I was you. The rest I'd keep

Cardiff City's transfer business Is not done, but Bluebirds boss Paul Trollope may have to wait before getting the extra men he needs.

Thursday 4th August 2016

Trollope has admitted he is keen to land further new faces to drive Cardiff's bid to improve on recent years and satisfy owner Vincent Tan's aims for Premier League promotion.

But chief executive Ken Choo has conceded that it may take time and the exit of a clutch of unwanted stars before the new man in the Bluebirds dug-out to get the extra ammunition that could be the key to hitting the top-six.

Choo, speaking as Cardiff opened the doors at Cardiff City Stadium to fans for an open training session, stated Tan will see play-offs and promotion as the target as the new campaign gets underway at Birimingham on Saturday.

And after praising the impact of Russell Slades former No.2 and the arrival of fellow Wales Euro 2016 management team Ryland Morgans on preparations for the Championship season, he says there is a confidence the club are primed to take the next steps this term.

But in terms of boosting squad options, Choo hinted that they may wait until the likes of Kagisho Dikgacoi, Adam le Fondre and Federico Macheda are moved on before given the green light for more additions.

Claiming there is interest in some, Choo said: “Everything is still up in the air we have a few targets to go but it also depends on players leaving. It is not just incoming, we should see players leaving that we feel should move on.

“I will not name names but there is interest in some and we are talking, but they have value in them so we have to look at the best deal for the club. We will not sell them on the cheap.

“We can't put a number of players we want in because it depends on players going out too, but we could see a lot more movement in the last week of August when the transfer window is about to close because that is usually when a lot of the interesting things and offers come in.

“At this point in time it is still quite quiet but there is interest.”

Cardiff City Chief Executive Ken Choo says players need to leave the club first before new signings are made.

Ken Choo also said he can't rule out losing 1 or 2 key players, if a big offer comes in for Marshall or Manga they will consider it.

Where did he say this? Do you have the link?

Cardiff City Chief Executive Ken Choo says players need to leave the club first before new signings are made.

Ken Choo also said he can't rule out losing 1 or 2 key players, if a big offer comes in for Marshall or Manga they will consider it.

Where did he say this? Do you have the link?

Jason, Choo said this today to Rob Phillips at the open day.

Cardiff City Chief Executive Ken Choo says players need to leave the club first before new signings are made.

Ken Choo also said he can't rule out losing 1 or 2 key players, if a big offer comes in for Marshall or Manga they will consider it.

Where did he say this? Do you have the link?

Jason, Choo said this today to Rob Phillips at the open day.

Makes sense, squad is still way to big in my opinion

Who would pay for Macheda or Digachoi ?

could be fringe players like gunnerson, noone, adeyemi that got value and clubs interested all we know ?
thats just a guess the way hes come across

It was always obvious this was going to be the case hopefully we don't have to hold on to these unwanted players for much longer.

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Or just hopes to get promotion on a shoe string.

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Tan has no interest in selling the club.. The club overspent and made mistakes but it looks like the club has learned from them so for the next few seasons i believe we will be very careful in how we spend which i encourage.
We have been spoilt the last few years. Sam Hamman spending silly amounts on players and wages but it got us into what was at the time a serious debt. Then Ridsdale did the same and then Tan. Id rather we didnt buy players or pay wages we cant afford until we can afford to. Until then we need to all be patient..
Ten or fifteen years ago we could only dream of playing teams we have this season in the championship

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Tan has no interest in selling the club.. The club overspent and made mistakes but it looks like the club has learned from them so for the next few seasons i believe we will be very careful in how we spend which i encourage.
We have been spoilt the last few years. Sam Hamman spending silly amounts on players and wages but it got us into what was at the time a serious debt. Then Ridsdale did the same and then Tan. Id rather we didnt buy players or pay wages we cant afford until we can afford to. Until then we need to all be patient..
Ten or fifteen years ago we could only dream of playing teams we have this season in the championship

Tan has no interest in the club apart from it being a business venture. He is a businessman who was hoping that this would be a profitable investment. Unfortunately, very few clubs turn out to be a good investment, and I am sure he can see now that this was not the best investment he will ever make. I am sure he will get out of here at the earliest opportunity. When that is remains to be seen, but I imagine he will want to minimise his losses before he goes. He knows little about football, lives on the other side of the world, and this is purely about business. Unlike us, he has no real feelings about this club other than finances.

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Tan has no interest in selling the club.. The club overspent and made mistakes but it looks like the club has learned from them so for the next few seasons i believe we will be very careful in how we spend which i encourage.
We have been spoilt the last few years. Sam Hamman spending silly amounts on players and wages but it got us into what was at the time a serious debt. Then Ridsdale did the same and then Tan. Id rather we didnt buy players or pay wages we cant afford until we can afford to. Until then we need to all be patient..
Ten or fifteen years ago we could only dream of playing teams we have this season in the championship

Tan has no interest in the club apart from it being a business venture. He is a businessman who was hoping that this would be a profitable investment. Unfortunately, very few clubs turn out to be a good investment, and I am sure he can see now that this was not the best investment he will ever make. I am sure he will get out of here at the earliest opportunity. When that is remains to be seen, but I imagine he will want to minimise his losses before he goes. He knows little about football, lives on the other side of the world, and this is purely about business. Unlike us, he has no real feelings about this club other than finances.

I think you're absolutely right. Tan knows that to have any chance of selling the club he has to make it an attractive proposition to any potential buyer and to do that he has to clear the debt.

If anyone thinks that once the debt has been repaid Tan will hang around and start investing in the club again to try and get promoted must be living on a different planet. He has no feelings for the club - he never even bothers turning up for games anymore. He is viewing the club purely on business terms with the aim of cutting his losses as much as he can before getting rid of the club as soon as he possibly can.

Any idea if any of our dead wood are any closer to the exit door? There were meant to be clubs in talks with Le Fondre and Macheda but that's gone a bit quiet recently.

The worry is that these players will hang around until close to the window closing meaning it will be too late to replace them.

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Tan has no interest in selling the club.. The club overspent and made mistakes but it looks like the club has learned from them so for the next few seasons i believe we will be very careful in how we spend which i encourage.
We have been spoilt the last few years. Sam Hamman spending silly amounts on players and wages but it got us into what was at the time a serious debt. Then Ridsdale did the same and then Tan. Id rather we didnt buy players or pay wages we cant afford until we can afford to. Until then we need to all be patient..
Ten or fifteen years ago we could only dream of playing teams we have this season in the championship

Tan has no interest in the club apart from it being a business venture. He is a businessman who was hoping that this would be a profitable investment. Unfortunately, very few clubs turn out to be a good investment, and I am sure he can see now that this was not the best investment he will ever make. I am sure he will get out of here at the earliest opportunity. When that is remains to be seen, but I imagine he will want to minimise his losses before he goes. He knows little about football, lives on the other side of the world, and this is purely about business. Unlike us, he has no real feelings about this club other than finances.

I think you're absolutely right. Tan knows that to have any chance of selling the club he has to make it an attractive proposition to any potential buyer and to do that he has to clear the debt.

If anyone thinks that once the debt has been repaid Tan will hang around and start investing in the club again to try and get promoted must be living on a different planet. He has no feelings for the club - he never even bothers turning up for games anymore. He is viewing the club purely on business terms with the aim of cutting his losses as much as he can before getting rid of the club as soon as he possibly can.

Any idea if any of our dead wood are any closer to the exit door? There were meant to be clubs in talks with Le Fondre and Macheda but that's gone a bit quiet recently.

The worry is that these players will hang around until close to the window closing meaning it will be too late to replace them.

Tan isnt going anywhere we are a part of his long term plans in the football world. He doesnt need to turn up he has people overseeing the goings on at the club. I worked for a japanese company for years nobody ever saw the owner.. I wonder if i go to Tesco or Costa coffee i will be on the next table to the top dog owners who are on their 12th visit this year

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Tan has no interest in selling the club.. The club overspent and made mistakes but it looks like the club has learned from them so for the next few seasons i believe we will be very careful in how we spend which i encourage.
We have been spoilt the last few years. Sam Hamman spending silly amounts on players and wages but it got us into what was at the time a serious debt. Then Ridsdale did the same and then Tan. Id rather we didnt buy players or pay wages we cant afford until we can afford to. Until then we need to all be patient..
Ten or fifteen years ago we could only dream of playing teams we have this season in the championship

Tan has no interest in the club apart from it being a business venture. He is a businessman who was hoping that this would be a profitable investment. Unfortunately, very few clubs turn out to be a good investment, and I am sure he can see now that this was not the best investment he will ever make. I am sure he will get out of here at the earliest opportunity. When that is remains to be seen, but I imagine he will want to minimise his losses before he goes. He knows little about football, lives on the other side of the world, and this is purely about business. Unlike us, he has no real feelings about this club other than finances.

I think you're absolutely right. Tan knows that to have any chance of selling the club he has to make it an attractive proposition to any potential buyer and to do that he has to clear the debt.

If anyone thinks that once the debt has been repaid Tan will hang around and start investing in the club again to try and get promoted must be living on a different planet. He has no feelings for the club - he never even bothers turning up for games anymore. He is viewing the club purely on business terms with the aim of cutting his losses as much as he can before getting rid of the club as soon as he possibly can.

Any idea if any of our dead wood are any closer to the exit door? There were meant to be clubs in talks with Le Fondre and Macheda but that's gone a bit quiet recently.

The worry is that these players will hang around until close to the window closing meaning it will be too late to replace them.

You are spot on. He certainly won't be investing again, I don't think he is stupid enough to repeat his mistake. If anyone on this forum was a billionaire and had a chance to buy a sporting venture in Malaya that they knew very little about, they would take advice from other people and would put money into it purely for the purpose of making a profit further down the line. It would be highly unlikely that any real feelings of loyalty would develop towards that Malayan business other than how much money it would make. Tan has shown how little he knows about British football and it's fans by changing the teams traditional colours. He is putting things right at last, but not out of any love for the club. He has no real choice other than to do what is being done if he wants to get a decent percentage of his investment back. I think he is doing things in the correct way now, and for the long term benefit of the club, which in turn can only benefit himself at the same time. However, I am not deluding myself into thinking promotion is on the agenda, and accept that this is where we are at this time. Everything is being done on a tight budget, including the appointment of a manager who was sacked when he was in charge of a small third tier side occupying one of the relegation spots, and was part of the coaching staff who apparently underachieved last season. I think we need to accept that we are an average Championship side, but hope that we can punch above our weight and maybe get into the top half of the table this season. I'm just hoping to see some good football this time around.

Lot of people on here saying tan is waiting for us to be solvent before selling ? isn't his plan going to take 3 or more years before all debt changed to equity? Sorry if that's case can see us being relegated before then, can't carry on cutting or living as we are now and expect to stay up !

It's not just unwanted players who will go. If anyone who comes in with the right offer for any of our players, you can bet they will be sold. Tan has made it obvious what he wants for a long time now, and if fans can't see that they are burying their heads in the sand. This club is all about recouping the big investments made, which ultimately failed, and then finding a buyer. As I have said for the last year, promotion is not on the agenda,it's all about working on a shoestring and hoping to remain in the championship while these cuts continue.

Tan has no interest in selling the club.. The club overspent and made mistakes but it looks like the club has learned from them so for the next few seasons i believe we will be very careful in how we spend which i encourage.
We have been spoilt the last few years. Sam Hamman spending silly amounts on players and wages but it got us into what was at the time a serious debt. Then Ridsdale did the same and then Tan. Id rather we didnt buy players or pay wages we cant afford until we can afford to. Until then we need to all be patient..
Ten or fifteen years ago we could only dream of playing teams we have this season in the championship

Tan has no interest in the club apart from it being a business venture. He is a businessman who was hoping that this would be a profitable investment. Unfortunately, very few clubs turn out to be a good investment, and I am sure he can see now that this was not the best investment he will ever make. I am sure he will get out of here at the earliest opportunity. When that is remains to be seen, but I imagine he will want to minimise his losses before he goes. He knows little about football, lives on the other side of the world, and this is purely about business. Unlike us, he has no real feelings about this club other than finances.

I think you're absolutely right. Tan knows that to have any chance of selling the club he has to make it an attractive proposition to any potential buyer and to do that he has to clear the debt.

If anyone thinks that once the debt has been repaid Tan will hang around and start investing in the club again to try and get promoted must be living on a different planet. He has no feelings for the club - he never even bothers turning up for games anymore. He is viewing the club purely on business terms with the aim of cutting his losses as much as he can before getting rid of the club as soon as he possibly can.

Any idea if any of our dead wood are any closer to the exit door? There were meant to be clubs in talks with Le Fondre and Macheda but that's gone a bit quiet recently.

The worry is that these players will hang around until close to the window closing meaning it will be too late to replace them.

Tan isnt going anywhere we are a part of his long term plans in the football world. He doesnt need to turn up he has people overseeing the goings on at the club. I worked for a japanese company for years nobody ever saw the owner.. I wonder if i go to Tesco or Costa coffee i will be on the next table to the top dog owners who are on their 12th visit this year

Why did he bother turning up when we were in the Premier League then - was it just his ego needing to be massaged?

So if we are part of his long term plans do you really think that as soon as the debt has been paid off he will start spending money again to try to get into the Premier League or is that not his aim?

Surely if he has long term plans for the club he should want the club to get into the Premier League again or do you think he's quite happy spending millions of pounds each season and staying in the Championship?

Or does he genuinely think that he can get us promoted on an shoestring? With his complete lack of football knowledge he probably does. I wonder if he's told Trollope yet that if Leicester can win the Premier League, there is no reason why Cardiff can't win the Championship!

Who have you got that is worth any value?

Just the ones we want to keep... Most valuable Marshall and Manga I guess, a few others we might get 1.5-2m for but would be tough to replace for that price.

The ones we really need to get rid of are Le Fondre, Macheda, and Dikgacoi, most likely on frees/low transfers mostly to reduce wage bill.

I'd definitely sell Marshall if I was you. The rest I'd keep

Yes I agree think we are at the point now where Marshall can be replaced

Lot of people on here saying tan is waiting for us to be solvent before selling ? isn't his plan going to take 3 or more years before all debt changed to equity? Sorry if that's case can see us being relegated before then, can't carry on cutting or living as we are now and expect to stay up !

I can't see him getting out for a while yet, and that would be my worry. I think we have a better chance of going down rather than up while he is attempting to cut his losses. On the plus side, thanks to him, we will still have a club to follow after he has gone.

Lot of people on here saying tan is waiting for us to be solvent before selling ? isn't his plan going to take 3 or more years before all debt changed to equity? Sorry if that's case can see us being relegated before then, can't carry on cutting or living as we are now and expect to stay up !

I can't see him getting out for a while yet, and that would be my worry. I think we have a better chance of going down rather than up while he is attempting to cut his losses. On the plus side, thanks to him, we will still have a club to follow after he has gone.

heard the same last year and year before but we were competitive last year and we will be the same this year as well

Lot of people on here saying tan is waiting for us to be solvent before selling ? isn't his plan going to take 3 or more years before all debt changed to equity? Sorry if that's case can see us being relegated before then, can't carry on cutting or living as we are now and expect to stay up !

I think if there was a real danger of us being relegated then he might have to change his approach and perhaps appoint a more experienced manager and make some money available for transfers as he can't risk us going down to League 1.

But whilst we are coasting along comfortably in mid table, flirting perhaps with the play-offs or even if we are lower end but not in danger, he's going to keep going in the way he is - and that's fair enough I suppose but the club keep trotting out the same old bollocks about being commited to getting promoted when their actions show that they are anything but.

Lot of people on here saying tan is waiting for us to be solvent before selling ? isn't his plan going to take 3 or more years before all debt changed to equity? Sorry if that's case can see us being relegated before then, can't carry on cutting or living as we are now and expect to stay up !

I can't see him getting out for a while yet, and that would be my worry. I think we have a better chance of going down rather than up while he is attempting to cut his losses. On the plus side, thanks to him, we will still have a club to follow after he has gone.

heard the same last year and year before but we were competitive last year and we will be the same this year as well

Depends on how competitive fans want us to be. Quite a few on here were saying we could be automatic promotion contenders last season, while some of us were a bit more realistic. We finished 21 points adrift of the third placed team, and 6 points outside the play offs. You could say we were competitive, but a long way behind the battle at the top.

Lot of people on here saying tan is waiting for us to be solvent before selling ? isn't his plan going to take 3 or more years before all debt changed to equity? Sorry if that's case can see us being relegated before then, can't carry on cutting or living as we are now and expect to stay up !

I can't see him getting out for a while yet, and that would be my worry. I think we have a better chance of going down rather than up while he is attempting to cut his losses. On the plus side, thanks to him, we will still have a club to follow after he has gone.

That's the point eventually team will start going backwards if just cut and buy cheap replacements, only very thew clubs survive in champ whilst not spending it's far to competitive!

If Tan wanted out he would have cut his losses and sold everything that wasn't nailed down by now, recouped as much of his money as he could, probably 40% max of his outlay and run for the hills.

The fact he has or is rumoured to be turning the debt into equity to the tune of 160/170 million is not a sign of a man wanting out, let's work on the basis he does turn the debt into equity he will have no chance of recovering his money unless he can sell the shares onto somebody with serious money and prepared to pay him what he's owed.

When you consider Villa were recently sold for 70 million and Wolves for 40 million I don't think anytime soon anybody will be prepared to pay 170 million for as much as I love them Cardiff City.

So if you think Tan is sitting on us until he can recoup his money you and him will be in for a long wait, the time to cut his losses and run seems to have gone, if and when he sells it will be at a big loss on his investment Premiership football or not.

Our biggest problem will be 2018-19 season.
Parachute money will be finished.
Majority of our team will be out of contract.
The quality of signings will indeed show the integrity of tan.
I for one believe we will probably go down as I don't see tan investing any more money.
Perhaps it may be the catalyst for him to sell and for the club to regroup.