No Ramsey = No Win

As proud as I am tonight and trust me boys I'm so proud it just goes to show how reliant we are on Ramsey not Bale. He truly has shown what a quality player he is and I reckon he will be on the move soon.. Only grumble I got is I don't feel as tho we have lost to a better team.. Well done tho boys I'm a very proud Welsh man tonight CYMRU AM BYTH

Totally agree. Rambo has been easily the best player in the tournament so far. We desperately missed his creativity tonight. Other players can be replaced, but not him. King was peripheral throughout.

Portugal are most certainly better than us. Please don't get caught up in the hype like England do. We rightly make fun of them for doing it, lets not emulate them.

The beauty of Wales is we know our place - or at least have done up to this point, lets not get delusions of grandeur thinking we are something we are not. We have 2 Reading players, a Burnley player and an MK Dons player in our starting 11. We are a hard working team of limited ability and resources that has done amazingly well and exceeded realistic expectations.

Ronaldo, Nani, Pepe and Renato Sanchez can stake a claim in most nations starting plans. They are unbeaten in the tournament to date and are actually unbeaten in their last 12.

Portugal are most certainly better than us. Please don't get caught up in the hype like England do. We rightly make fun of them for doing it, lets not emulate them.

The beauty of Wales is we know our place - or at least have done up to this point, lets not get delusions of grandeur thinking we are something we are not. We have 2 Reading players, a Burnley player and an MK Dons player in our starting 11. We are a hard working team of limited ability and resources that has done amazingly well and exceeded realistic expectations.

Ronaldo, Nani, Pepe and Renato Sanchez can stake a claim in most nations starting plans. They are unbeaten in the tournament to date and are actually unbeaten in their last 12.

Sorry but can't help but think your giving Portugal way too much respect and we have to believe how good we are for us to develop.. Difference we are not a team of individuals like our arrogant neighbours so we will never fall into that trap. Nani is useless and ronaldo is in decline, sanches is a star for years to come it you would have seen a very different game with Rambo playing tonight., you cannot honestly say we have lost to a superior team based on tonight's game? For me this is just the start and hopefully the massive money we have gained from this will be pumped straight isn't the grass roots for us to grow further..

Portugal are most certainly better than us. Please don't get caught up in the hype like England do. We rightly make fun of them for doing it, lets not emulate them.

The beauty of Wales is we know our place - or at least have done up to this point, lets not get delusions of grandeur thinking we are something we are not. We have 2 Reading players, a Burnley player and an MK Dons player in our starting 11. We are a hard working team of limited ability and resources that has done amazingly well and exceeded realistic expectations.

Ronaldo, Nani, Pepe and Renato Sanchez can stake a claim in most nations starting plans. They are unbeaten in the tournament to date and are actually unbeaten in their last 12.

Sorry but can't help but think your giving Portugal way too much respect and we have to believe how good we are for us to develop.. Difference we are not a team of individuals like our arrogant neighbours so we will never fall into that trap. Nani is useless and ronaldo is in decline, sanches is a star for years to come it you would have seen a very different game with Rambo playing tonight., you cannot honestly say we have lost to a superior team based on tonight's game? For me this is just the start and hopefully the massive money we have gained from this will be pumped straight isn't the grass roots for us to grow further..

Have to agree with EalingBluebird. Don't think we should get too carried away on the back of one great tournament. We have punched well above our weight, but now we need to see if we can qualify and perform well at future tournaments. Just hope this is not a one off, and that we don't have to wait as long as we did last time to qualify for a major event.

Gummi if we were that great we wouldn't rely so heavily on one player. If most big teams picked one or two injuries up they'd still breeze the qualifiers where as we would struggle. We've got a long way to go!

Gummi if we were that great we wouldn't rely so heavily on one player. If most big teams picked one or two injuries up they'd still breeze the qualifiers where as we would struggle. We've got a long way to go!

Agree, if only we had x2 more players of Ramsey or Bale quality, we'd be a serious player at tournaments. We do have limitations, and that's why we really did shock the world with what the team achieved

just going on the headline, it's true. We couldn't afford a player of that quality and in such great form to be banned

Portugal are most certainly better than us. Please don't get caught up in the hype like England do. We rightly make fun of them for doing it, lets not emulate them.

The beauty of Wales is we know our place - or at least have done up to this point, lets not get delusions of grandeur thinking we are something we are not. We have 2 Reading players, a Burnley player and an MK Dons player in our starting 11. We are a hard working team of limited ability and resources that has done amazingly well and exceeded realistic expectations.

Ronaldo, Nani, Pepe and Renato Sanchez can stake a claim in most nations starting plans. They are unbeaten in the tournament to date and are actually unbeaten in their last 12.

good post, let's not all of us go into qualifying expecting to walk over teams now, they'll need total support through some tough games

Gummi if we were that great we wouldn't rely so heavily on one player. If most big teams picked one or two injuries up they'd still breeze the qualifiers where as we would struggle. We've got a long way to go!

Agree, if only we had x2 more players of Ramsey or Bale quality, we'd be a serious player at tournaments. We do have limitations, and that's why we really did shock the world with what the team achieved

Yeah, imagine Bellamy in his prime playing in this team infront of Rambo and bale!

Gummi if we were that great we wouldn't rely so heavily on one player. If most big teams picked one or two injuries up they'd still breeze the qualifiers where as we would struggle. We've got a long way to go!

Agree, if only we had x2 more players of Ramsey or Bale quality, we'd be a serious player at tournaments. We do have limitations, and that's why we really did shock the world with what the team achieved

Yeah, imagine Bellamy in his prime playing in this team infront of Rambo and bale!

I bet Bellars could still do a job there! But yeah such a shame

I thought Portugal were there for the taking last night, specially at half time, but we defiantly Did miss AR in midfield, his play making & creativity were simply missing. I knew before the game that his absence was going to hurt us, just didn't realize by how much.

Having said that, the Whole Welsh team have been outstanding this tournament, better than in my wildest dreams.

I really hope we can push on from here, & get used to such occasions, on a regular basis.

WELL DONE WALES!

I thought Portugal were there for the taking last night, specially at half time, but we defiantly Did miss AR in midfield, his play making & creativity were simply missing. I knew before the game that his absence was going to hurt us, just didn't realize by how much.

Having said that, the Whole Welsh team have been outstanding this tournament, better than in my wildest dreams.

I really hope we can push on from here, & get used to such occasions, on a regular basis.

WELL DONE WALES!

spot on

I thought Portugal were there for the taking last night, specially at half time, but we defiantly Did miss AR in midfield, his play making & creativity were simply missing. I knew before the game that his absence was going to hurt us, just didn't realize by how much.

Having said that, the Whole Welsh team have been outstanding this tournament, better than in my wildest dreams.

I really hope we can push on from here, & get used to such occasions, on a regular basis.

WELL DONE WALES!

spot on

Great post

Rambo has been awful bar one game this tournament (Russia) - everyone believes the hype, I just find him overated.

Giaccherini been player of the tournament for me.

Rambo has been awful bar one game this tournament (Russia) - everyone believes the hype, I just find him overated.

Giaccherini been player of the tournament for me.

I don't think Ramsey has been that bad but would agree he hasn't been that good either. We certainly missed him last night but I honestly think if he had played we would have lost.

I'm not doing the Welsh lads down but it was obvious that we were dead on our feet having put so much effort into previous games. The old adage that our starting XI is good is still true but so is the one about our squad lacking depth.

We simply ran out of steam and that is perfectly understandable.

Rambo has been awful bar one game this tournament (Russia) - everyone believes the hype, I just find him overated.

Giaccherini been player of the tournament for me.

Bollocks - wasn't great against Slovakia, but hey still set up winning goal

Rambo has been awful bar one game this tournament (Russia) - everyone believes the hype, I just find him overated.

Giaccherini been player of the tournament for me.

oh and do you reckon Bale has had a better tournament than him? cos believe what you like, he hasn't

Portugal are most certainly better than us. Please don't get caught up in the hype like England do. We rightly make fun of them for doing it, lets not emulate them.

The beauty of Wales is we know our place - or at least have done up to this point, lets not get delusions of grandeur thinking we are something we are not. We have 2 Reading players, a Burnley player and an MK Dons player in our starting 11. We are a hard working team of limited ability and resources that has done amazingly well and exceeded realistic expectations.

Ronaldo, Nani, Pepe and Renato Sanchez can stake a claim in most nations starting plans. They are unbeaten in the tournament to date and are actually unbeaten in their last 12.

Sorry but can't help but think your giving Portugal way too much respect and we have to believe how good we are for us to develop.. Difference we are not a team of individuals like our arrogant neighbours so we will never fall into that trap. Nani is useless and ronaldo is in decline, sanches is a star for years to come it you would have seen a very different game with Rambo playing tonight., you cannot honestly say we have lost to a superior team based on tonight's game? For me this is just the start and hopefully the massive money we have gained from this will be pumped straight isn't the grass roots for us to grow further..

They could say the same regarding Pepe. But yes, I am more than happy to say we lost to the better side, be that on paper and performance wise. They didnt let us play and did a complete job on us - as expected.

I agree with the OP. The player stats will show Portugal as a superior team to us, but they are purely stats. We have come together as a team and whilst we may not have the strength in depth as Portugal (and many others), it's the underdog that wants it more that will outperform 'talent'. So in terms of Ramsey's absence last night, it was always going to be a game changer, as that's what he is to us. As such, I also felt that we should have appealed against the handball decision as it was obvious that his suspension was going to make a significant impact and for me it was not intentional.

You can't appeal yellow cards.

I thought you may have been but your right, you can't. Ridiculous rule especially if the decision was proved wrong as we have seen.

I love this forum.. it amazes me how so many people see the game differently to yourself..

I love this forum.. it amazes me how so many people see the game differently to yourself..

Indeed. Its all about opinions, & there's nothing healthier than having a decent, intelligent, factual debate about football.

I love this forum.. it amazes me how so many people see the game differently to yourself..

Indeed. Its all about opinions, & there's nothing healthier than having a decent, intelligent, factual debate about football.

SPOT ON especially with Roathie gone lol

My thoughts are this... It was definitely noticeable that Ramsey was missing, in fact I think Bale was playing too deep as a result of this. Definitely a game I believed we could have won but hey thats football!

My thoughts are this... It was definitely noticeable that Ramsey was missing, in fact I think Bale was playing too deep as a result of this. Definitely a game I believed we could have won but hey thats football!

Bale was definitely too deep IMO and if Ramsey was playing I'm sure he would have played slightly up field.

Rambo has been awful bar one game this tournament (Russia) - everyone believes the hype, I just find him overated.

Giaccherini been player of the tournament for me.

I couldn't disagree more but when Ramsey wasn't hitting his best form, the work rate he put in was phenomenal.
For me the most disappointing player was Ledley.

Rambo has been awful bar one game this tournament (Russia) - everyone believes the hype, I just find him overated.

Giaccherini been player of the tournament for me.

I couldn't disagree more but when Ramsey wasn't hitting his best form, the work rate he put in was phenomenal.
For me the most disappointing player was Ledley.

Agreed Ledely was a dissqapointment but an amazing achievement to even b ethere especially with the injury he sustained and obviously from what it seems he is the life and soul of the party.. silly as it sounds he really didn't look fit and king could have played that position quite well..

and anybody still think Giancherrini player of the tournament.. I think its over especially if or when Griezeman score in the final..