' OUT with Britain IN with Turkey '

OUT with Britain IN with Turkey: Turks arrive in Brussels and argue EU NEEDS them NOW

TURKISH officials wasted no time today as they arrived in Brussels for further talks on their country's decade long bid to join the EU.

By EMILY FOX (Thu, Jun 30, 2016)


Just 48 hours after David Cameron waved farewell to Brussels bureaucrats, Turkish officials landed in Brussels to launch their latest bid.

In a shameless bid to jump on Brexit, EU minister Omer Celik claimed the EU NEEDED Turkey and said his country had economic and geopolitical weight that would replace the loss of the British.

"Turkey, a NATO member strategically located between Europe and the Middle East and boasting a vibrant economy and young population, will be a great asset for the EU", said Mr Celik in Brussels.

He added: "Turkey is a major European power. Europe needs a fresh start and a fresh vision and will have to include Turkey," he said, referring to Britain's decision to leave, or 'Brexit'.

"Whatever the picture will be after Brexit, Turkey's position will be stronger. Any picture that doesn't include Turkey will be a weak picture."

The comments come after David Cameron assured the people of Britain that it would not be till the year 3000 that Turkey would join the EU - a comment which caused great anger among the Turks.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel reluctantly agreed to back an acceleration in Turkey's EU bid because she needs Ankara's help in stemming the flow of migrants after more than one million arrived in Germany last year.

This month EU officials have taken Ankara to task not only over its anti-terrorism laws but also over its arrest of three press freedom campaigners, amid deepening unease about the human rights situation in Turkey under President Tayyip Erdogan.

"We have to act within the limits of the rule of law and defend our freedom of expression. This is not something we can give up or suspend," said EU Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn.

Turkey defied pressure from the European Union to amend its anti-terrorism laws, saying that a suicide bomb attack at Istanbul airport this week that killed 42 people provided further vindication of its tough stance.

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another remain lie exposed ,announcment of eu army today too I'm glad we are out

We got out at the right time.

They won't be joining any time soon. Of course they are going to go cap in hand to the EU, just as they have been for the past few decades.

I'm guessing that's an Express article. Owned by a massive UKIP supporter and donor.

Forget the headline, here are the facts... By Dr Charlotte O'Brien, Senior Lecturer in Law, University of York

The Vote Leave campaign has put forward immigration projections based on Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, and Serbia joining the EU in 2020 and Defence minister Penny Mordaunt said that the UK would not be able to prevent Turkey from joining.

On the Remain side, David Cameron has maintained that the UK does have a veto and stated that suggestions otherwise were “very misleading”.

Does the UK have a veto?
Yes. Under the EU’s rules for the accession of new countries, approval of each member country in the Council of the European Union is required.

Would the UK exercise its veto?
This would depend upon the policy of the government in office at the relevant time. At the moment, it is government policy to support Turkey in becoming a member. The Prime Minister has publicly supported Turkish accession and in 2010 was reported to express frustration at the lack of progress in negotiations.

Recent announcements have switched the focus from desirability to the likelihood of accession, with Mr Cameron stating that Turkey might not be able to join ‘until the year 3000’. It would also depend on the government’s satisfaction with the negotiations. The Council would likely push for consensus before facing a vote with possible vetoes.

How close is Turkey to completing negotiations?
In order for any country to be eligible for accession, negotiations on signing up to all the EU’s rules must be completed in 35 ‘chapters’.

Turkey first applied to join what was then the EEC in 1987. It was declared an eligible candidate in 1997. Negotiations were formally opened in 2005.

Now, in 2016, negotiations have closed on just one out of 35 chapters—‘science and research’, which was completed in 2006, the year after it was opened. Of the remaining 34 chapters, 14 have been opened for negotiation.

In 2006, the EU decided that until Turkey agrees to remove obstacles to free movement of goods (including transport restrictions) between it and Cyprus, no more chapters will be provisionally closed. Eight chapters (including areas fundamental to EU law, such as free movement of goods and right of establishment and freedom to provide services) will not even be opened.

The European Commission’s 2015 Turkey report noted that Turkey still refused to allow free movement of goods and travel with Cyprus, and that there was “no progress on normalising bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus”.

The 20 not-yet opened chapters include some of the most controversial chapters issues such as free movement for workers, and human rights (including ensuring that judges are independent).

What role do human rights concerns play?
The EU has raised significant human rights concerns in the 2015 Turkish report, noting ‘significant backsliding in the past two years notably in the areas of freedom of expression and freedom of assembly’.

The report also found problems with discrimination and protection of vulnerable minorities. These concerns fall foul of the human rights conditions of accession.

What about the EU-Turkey migration deal?
As part of the deal for tackling the migration crisis, in which Turkey agreed to the resettlement of refugees in its territory, the EU agreed to accelerate accession negotiations.

The Commission says that ‘preparations are now underway to progress towards the opening of five chapters.’ It is not clear when these chapters will be opened, or how long negotiations on them will take.

Political obstacles to Turkish membership
Other EU members have strongly opposed Turkish membership. Both France and Austria will put the question of Turkish accession to a referendum, so Turkey would need to get approval from the popular vote in each country.

This would make vetoes from those countries likely, as they are amongst the more Turkey-sceptic members.

A House of Lords Select Committee report on the European Union in 2006 found that a ‘majority of people in the EU-25 are opposed to Turkey's accession, with opposition in Austria, France and Germany reaching 70 per cent or more.’ Opposition to Turkish membership across the EU rose from 2008-2010, from 55-59%. There don’t seem to be more recent figures available.

Turkey’s own appetite for joining is variable but seems to be declining. Of the five candidate countries it consistently has the lowest numbers in Eurobarometer surveys expressing support for membership.

The latest autumn 2015 survey (only available in French) showed 37% of respondents in Turkey believing membership would be a good thing. This is up from 28% in 2014, but still down compared to 59% ten years ago.

A higher proportion—56%—said that they believed that their country “would benefit” from membership, although that figure was also higher in the past.

Seems a bit unlikely then lads don't you think?

Forget the headline, here are the facts... By Dr Charlotte O'Brien, Senior Lecturer in Law, University of York

The Vote Leave campaign has put forward immigration projections based on Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, and Serbia joining the EU in 2020 and Defence minister Penny Mordaunt said that the UK would not be able to prevent Turkey from joining.

On the Remain side, David Cameron has maintained that the UK does have a veto and stated that suggestions otherwise were “very misleading”.

Does the UK have a veto?
Yes. Under the EU’s rules for the accession of new countries, approval of each member country in the Council of the European Union is required.

Would the UK exercise its veto?
This would depend upon the policy of the government in office at the relevant time. At the moment, it is government policy to support Turkey in becoming a member. The Prime Minister has publicly supported Turkish accession and in 2010 was reported to express frustration at the lack of progress in negotiations.

Recent announcements have switched the focus from desirability to the likelihood of accession, with Mr Cameron stating that Turkey might not be able to join ‘until the year 3000’. It would also depend on the government’s satisfaction with the negotiations. The Council would likely push for consensus before facing a vote with possible vetoes.

How close is Turkey to completing negotiations?
In order for any country to be eligible for accession, negotiations on signing up to all the EU’s rules must be completed in 35 ‘chapters’.

Turkey first applied to join what was then the EEC in 1987. It was declared an eligible candidate in 1997. Negotiations were formally opened in 2005.

Now, in 2016, negotiations have closed on just one out of 35 chapters—‘science and research’, which was completed in 2006, the year after it was opened. Of the remaining 34 chapters, 14 have been opened for negotiation.

In 2006, the EU decided that until Turkey agrees to remove obstacles to free movement of goods (including transport restrictions) between it and Cyprus, no more chapters will be provisionally closed. Eight chapters (including areas fundamental to EU law, such as free movement of goods and right of establishment and freedom to provide services) will not even be opened.

The European Commission’s 2015 Turkey report noted that Turkey still refused to allow free movement of goods and travel with Cyprus, and that there was “no progress on normalising bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus”.

The 20 not-yet opened chapters include some of the most controversial chapters issues such as free movement for workers, and human rights (including ensuring that judges are independent).

What role do human rights concerns play?
The EU has raised significant human rights concerns in the 2015 Turkish report, noting ‘significant backsliding in the past two years notably in the areas of freedom of expression and freedom of assembly’.

The report also found problems with discrimination and protection of vulnerable minorities. These concerns fall foul of the human rights conditions of accession.

What about the EU-Turkey migration deal?
As part of the deal for tackling the migration crisis, in which Turkey agreed to the resettlement of refugees in its territory, the EU agreed to accelerate accession negotiations.

The Commission says that ‘preparations are now underway to progress towards the opening of five chapters.’ It is not clear when these chapters will be opened, or how long negotiations on them will take.

Political obstacles to Turkish membership
Other EU members have strongly opposed Turkish membership. Both France and Austria will put the question of Turkish accession to a referendum, so Turkey would need to get approval from the popular vote in each country.

This would make vetoes from those countries likely, as they are amongst the more Turkey-sceptic members.

A House of Lords Select Committee report on the European Union in 2006 found that a ‘majority of people in the EU-25 are opposed to Turkey's accession, with opposition in Austria, France and Germany reaching 70 per cent or more.’ Opposition to Turkish membership across the EU rose from 2008-2010, from 55-59%. There don’t seem to be more recent figures available.

Turkey’s own appetite for joining is variable but seems to be declining. Of the five candidate countries it consistently has the lowest numbers in Eurobarometer surveys expressing support for membership.

The latest autumn 2015 survey (only available in French) showed 37% of respondents in Turkey believing membership would be a good thing. This is up from 28% in 2014, but still down compared to 59% ten years ago.

A higher proportion—56%—said that they believed that their country “would benefit” from membership, although that figure was also higher in the past.

Seems a bit unlikely then lads don't you think?

What about the EU visa plan because of Turkeys help with imigrants thats a distinct possibility so entry for citazens of Turkey by another means?

While they treat the Kurds like they do they've got no chance.Anyone that has the first clue what they are talking about will know that.

They won't be joining any time soon. Of course they are going to go cap in hand to the EU, just as they have been for the past few decades.

I'm guessing that's an Express article. Owned by a massive UKIP supporter and donor.

they will be in the next few years you really need to open your eyes there are official eu documents going around that the eu want turkey in

While they treat the Kurds like they do they've got no chance.Anyone that has the first clue what they are talking about will know that.

As I've pointed out they've been promised visa's for their citizens for help with refugee crisis! So the kurds are hardly likely to be high on anyone's agenda especially now!!

Turkey won't be joining the EU for at least a decade, if ever. There's a certain amount of legislation they have to negotiate and they've only done one so far. There's plenty of snags along the way too. Also the political climate in Turkey is very volatile at the best of times including now.

Turkey joining the EU as one of the reasons to leave the EU was one of the more distasteful ploys by the Brexit campaign, I really don't think it would be that bad if they did although right now under their current leadership and goings on in Syria it wouldn't be advisable. Going back over the last few decades before the last few years Turkey has been a peaceful country with a very Western outlook on life, it's only recently that has changed.

Anyways I don't care, if it took scaremongering about Turkey to leave the EU then so be it. We slain the beast that is Brussels and this country will be far better for it.

We could make our own trade treaty with Turkey direct and cut Europe out completely!

They won't be joining any time soon. Of course they are going to go cap in hand to the EU, just as they have been for the past few decades.

I'm guessing that's an Express article. Owned by a massive UKIP supporter and donor.

they will be in the next few years you really need to open your eyes there are official eu documents going around that the eu want turkey in

it certainly wasn't written by anyone with half a brain... And isn't this precisely the sort of shit stirring scaremongering that the remain camp was consistently accused of every time a fact was produced.

Turkey won't be joining the EU for at least a decade, if ever. There's a certain amount of legislation they have to negotiate and they've only done one so far. There's plenty of snags along the way too. Also the political climate in Turkey is very volatile at the best of times including now.

Turkey joining the EU as one of the reasons to leave the EU was one of the more distasteful ploys by the Brexit campaign, I really don't think it would be that bad if they did although right now under their current leadership and goings on in Syria it wouldn't be advisable. Going back over the last few decades before the last few years Turkey has been a peaceful country with a very Western outlook on life, it's only recently that has changed.

Anyways I don't care, if it took scaremongering about Turkey to leave the EU then so be it. We slain the beast that is Brussels and this country will be far better for it.

Spot on - The voice of reason . Cameron said they need to meet at least 20 odd agreements - they may have found 1

Turkey will not recognise it's role in the genocide of over 1 million Armenians. It's failure to do so is one huge obstacle with the Germans insisting without such a mea culpa talks will not even begin.

Here is an actual picture of starving Armenian children being teased by a Turkish man

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Turkey will not recognise it's role in the genocide of over 1 million Armenians. It's failure to do so is one huge obstacle with the Germans insisting without such a mea culpa talks will not even begin.

Here is an actual picture of starving Armenian children being teased by a Turkish man

Isn't it time for the op to retract this blatantly scaremongering article and denounce the gutter press journalist that wrote it - after all if it was Tucker posting about the city comments would have been made about shabby journalism...

Turkey will not recognise it's role in the genocide of over 1 million Armenians. It's failure to do so is one huge obstacle with the Germans insisting without such a mea culpa talks will not even begin.

Here is an actual picture of starving Armenian children being teased by a Turkish man

Isn't it time for the op to retract this blatantly scaremongering article and denounce the gutter press journalist that wrote it - after all if it was Tucker posting about the city comments would have been made about shabby journalism...

truth hurts ?

Turkey won't be joining the EU for at least a decade, if ever. There's a certain amount of legislation they have to negotiate and they've only done one so far. There's plenty of snags along the way too. Also the political climate in Turkey is very volatile at the best of times including now.

Turkey joining the EU as one of the reasons to leave the EU was one of the more distasteful ploys by the Brexit campaign, I really don't think it would be that bad if they did although right now under their current leadership and goings on in Syria it wouldn't be advisable. Going back over the last few decades before the last few years Turkey has been a peaceful country with a very Western outlook on life, it's only recently that has changed.

Anyways I don't care, if it took scaremongering about Turkey to leave the EU then so be it. We slain the beast that is Brussels and this country will be far better for it.

Spot on - The voice of reason . Cameron said they need to meet at least 20 odd agreements - they may have found 1

I think it's 35 Tony and it took them years to negotiate one. Turkey have wanted to join the EU for 20 years, they are no closer now than they were then. There's so many things that Turkey will not agree to and will not comply with, I just can't see them joining the EU in the next 20 years.

They won't be joining any time soon. Of course they are going to go cap in hand to the EU, just as they have been for the past few decades.

I'm guessing that's an Express article. Owned by a massive UKIP supporter and donor.

they will be in the next few years you really need to open your eyes there are official eu documents going around that the eu want turkey in

Going around where Wez? Have you actually seen extracts from any such documents? Or are you basing your claim on hearsay and rumour?

Turkey will not recognise it's role in the genocide of over 1 million Armenians. It's failure to do so is one huge obstacle with the Germans insisting without such a mea culpa talks will not even begin.

Here is an actual picture of starving Armenian children being teased by a Turkish man

Isn't it time for the op to retract this blatantly scaremongering article and denounce the gutter press journalist that wrote it - after all if it was Tucker posting about the city comments would have been made about shabby journalism...

truth hurts ?

Maybe the phrase " truth hurts" applies in some cases. However, there appears to be no truth in your claims.

Turkey will not recognise it's role in the genocide of over 1 million Armenians. It's failure to do so is one huge obstacle with the Germans insisting without such a mea culpa talks will not even begin.

Here is an actual picture of starving Armenian children being teased by a Turkish man

Isn't it time for the op to retract this blatantly scaremongering article and denounce the gutter press journalist that wrote it - after all if it was Tucker posting about the city comments would have been made about shabby journalism...

truth hurts ?

Maybe the phrase " truth hurts" applies in some cases. However, there appears to be no truth in your claims.

truth - ffs the article was written by someone who works for the f*cking Beano