Much better for Wales if we remain in Europe

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

The only thing I would say to that is why a Tory government. If we vote out, there may be a labour government in place by the time we actually get out. We are not leaving overnight, this will take years to take effect.

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

There is no certainty that the EU will impose tariffs on UK goods and services if we vote for BREXIT. Indeed the balance of probabilities is they won't because the EU exports far more to us than we do to them. In other words tariffs would be an act of biting off their collective noses to spite their collective faces. This is a classic vote fear narrative.

The EU provides a very small amount of investment into Wales when compared to overall spending. Westminster gives the Welsh Government billions of pounds to spend, whilst the EU investment is measured in the millions of pounds.

We pay £20billion to the EU each year and receive £10billion back in grants and a rebate. The leave campaign's position is that any grants made from the EU will remain and paid for from the £20billion over all savings. Basically the same money will be paid to Wales but it will come from Westminster instead of Brussels.

Where do you get the conclusion that BREXIT will divert money from the poor in Wales to the rich in England? What will happen if we exit the EU is the very rich European diplomats will see one of its money cows disappear and they will have to look elsewhere to fund their extraordinary lavish lifestyles. I for one will be glad the UK taxpayer is shot of that little scam.

..... would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England. .....

You were doing so well until you fell into the same scaremongering that all the politicians do, on both sides of the argument.

No one in this argument seems to be able to stick to the positives for their side. It always ends with a scarey guess to worry the electorate.

Yours is the usual Tories look after themselves at the expense of us poor Welsh people.

Much better until couple years down line when another 6 countries join turkey amongst them, and our contributions are raised to pay for the poor countries joining, and dont forget imigration from those areas! Not to mention federal state being imposed on all EU members as well. !

I'm sorry Tony that although money wise we import more than export % wise of all exports tells a different tale. UK exports to the EU account for 44% of our worldwide exports while exports from the UK only account for 8% of their worldwide exports. The biggest % of our exports to the EU are in cars, mostly manufactured by foreign companies. If tariffs are applied which almost certainly will be this could also effect investment in the future, it's highly unlikely they would pull out of the U.K. as they'd still want to sell here, but could well use factories here for the British market but use EU factories for that market. Another reason they would be more likely to impose tariffs is that as European countries like Norway have free trade under the EEA which also involves paying into the EU budget, have free movement of people, goods etc and implementing EU laws in 4 areas despite having no say in them. If they gave us free trade without those conditions not only would countries like Norway, Switzerland, Iceland want the same deal but no doubt other EU countries would.

Sorry, mistyped there it should read on line 2
while exports to the UK only account for 8% of their(EU) worldwide exports.

I'm sorry Tony that although money wise we import more than export % wise of all exports tells a different tale. UK exports to the EU account for 44% of our worldwide exports while exports from the UK only account for 8% of their worldwide exports. The biggest % of our exports to the EU are in cars, mostly manufactured by foreign companies. If tariffs are applied which almost certainly will be this could also effect investment in the future, it's highly unlikely they would pull out of the U.K. as they'd still want to sell here, but could well use factories here for the British market but use EU factories for that market. Another reason they would be more likely to impose tariffs is that as European countries like Norway have free trade under the EEA which also involves paying into the EU budget, have free movement of people, goods etc and implementing EU laws in 4 areas despite having no say in them. If they gave us free trade without those conditions not only would countries like Norway, Switzerland, Iceland want the same deal but no doubt other EU countries would.

I'm sorry Barriboy you simply cannot make the statement that 'tariffs are a certainty' that is project fear in full flow.

Some of your figures are incorrect as the UK accounts for 16% of the EU worldwide exports which translates to 3% of EU GDP. 3% might sound small but losing that amount of income would certainly put any economy into serious recession.

The UK wouldn't have the EU by the throat but being pragmatic both side would realise that there was sense in doing a trade deal. Our market is far bigger than either Norway or Switzerland and the EU isn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

On your other points if we wish to export to the EU then we have to conform to their regulations, in the same way we have to conform to American, Chinese or Japanese law if we want to export there. Are you really stating that we should become part of the United States pay them a £20billion tax so we can have a say in their law making before exporting to them?

The argument about being at the top table with the EU is a complete red herring and in any case we have just ONE of the TWENTY-EIGHT votes on offer.

I have confidence in this country and we would thrive outside the EU and be more democratic. What we shouldn't do is be cowed and frightened into staying in something which is undemocratic and failing on all fronts.

Sorry, mistyped there it should read on line 2
while exports to the UK only account for 8% of their(EU) worldwide exports.

Yes you did mistype it the UK accounts for 16% of EU worldwide exports and is its biggest market followed by the USA 15%

Wot about tha imugrunts mun?

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

Basically the same money will be paid to Wales but it will come from Westminster instead of Brussels.

You are far more trusting of Westminster politicians than me. Westminster based Tories will use any savings from Brexit to offer tax bribes to rich people in the SE of England - those savings will not cross the Severn Bridge. Wales will be left high and dry if we leave Europe.

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

Basically the same money will be paid to Wales but it will come from Westminster instead of Brussels.

You are far more trusting of Westminster politicians than me. Westminster based Tories will use any savings from Brexit to offer tax bribes to rich people in the SE of England - those savings will not cross the Severn Bridge. Wales will be left high and dry if we leave Europe.

And you trust an undemocratic European parliament? ?

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

Basically the same money will be paid to Wales but it will come from Westminster instead of Brussels.

You are far more trusting of Westminster politicians than me. Westminster based Tories will use any savings from Brexit to offer tax bribes to rich people in the SE of England - those savings will not cross the Severn Bridge. Wales will be left high and dry if we leave Europe.

And you trust an undemocratic European parliament? ?

Well I can only base my answer on what I see and there does seem to be a lot of EU money swoshing (is that a word??) around Wales. However, Tories have a track record of using any surplus cash for tax breaks for the rich rather than investing in poorer communities. So, I think Wales will be better off staying in Europe.

OUT OUT OUT

On Thursday I'm voting from a Welsh perspective and not from a GB one.

Wales gains millions of pounds each year from the EU that helps funds jobs, infrastructure, and training for our young people. At the same time Welsh companies, and GB ones for that matter, earn millions of pounds exporting goods to EU countries.

If GB leaves not only would we lose millions in grant aid but our export companies would have to pay huge tarifs (taxes) on exporting their goods to European markets. Brexit would be disastrous for Wales.

Some people are saying that the British government would beneft financially from leaving. That may or may not be the case but if it did happen would a Tory government in Westminster spend the same amount as the EU does in Wales? Of course they wouldn't. Any savings made by a GB government would be used to fund tax cuts for the rich people of SE of England.

So come Thursday defend Welsh people and Welsh communities - not the wealthy people of SE England - they already have enough money.

I would urge you all to vote Remain for Wales!

Basically the same money will be paid to Wales but it will come from Westminster instead of Brussels.

You are far more trusting of Westminster politicians than me. Westminster based Tories will use any savings from Brexit to offer tax bribes to rich people in the SE of England - those savings will not cross the Severn Bridge. Wales will be left high and dry if we leave Europe.

And you trust an undemocratic European parliament? ?

Well I can only base my answer on what I see and there does seem to be a lot of EU money swoshing (is that a word??) around Wales. However, Tories have a track record of using any surplus cash for tax breaks for the rich rather than investing in poorer communities. So, I think Wales will be better off staying in Europe.

Wales is not a wash with euro money it's basically UK money reconstituted back in the form of euro grants!!! If so great why is amongst the poorest regions in uk are Welsh valleys? ??

It's not the EU's money it was ours , they didn't create the wealth they distribute it to all and sundry with no positive balance and we should be grateful ,I think not .The world exists outside the EU and we have a lot to offer it but hi ho lets dumb down little old UK as we're not creative , inventive or skilled enough to survive outside the "project".

I'm not dumbing down the UK at all. It is probably big enough to survive outside the EU.

My worry is that the current grants that keep Wales afloat will stop and a right wing Tory government will use any savings from Brexit to reward high earners in the SE of England with tax cuts.

I am extremely worried for the future of Wales under a Boris government.

A Sky presentation earlier today showed an interesting set of circumstances. They showed a map of the country with their projections on voter intentions in the various referendum constituencies, based on their sample data. Unlike General Elections these particular constituencies have wildly different population bases.

It showed Scotland and Ulster heavily leaning to Remain and the English heartland very predominantly Leave; London, almost exclusively indicated a Remain bias.

Wales showed more of a mixed picture but the presenter didn't explain the Welsh constituency population make up. On the face of it, Wales wasn't so clear cut either way.

I just wonder what might ensue if the unthinkable happens and Wales, Scotland and Ulster vote Remain, and (little) England vote Leave. Very likely this will trigger another separation vote in Scotland, but what of the rest of us? It seems to me whatever the result on Friday morning, it may well raise more questions than giving answers.

A Sky presentation earlier today showed an interesting set of circumstances. They showed a map of the country with their projections on voter intentions in the various referendum constituencies, based on their sample data. Unlike General Elections these particular constituencies have wildly different population bases.

It showed Scotland and Ulster heavily leaning to Remain and the English heartland very predominantly Leave; London, almost exclusively indicated a Remain bias.

Wales showed more of a mixed picture but the presenter didn't explain the Welsh constituency population make up. On the face of it, Wales wasn't so clear cut either way.

I just wonder what might ensue if the unthinkable happens and Wales, Scotland and Ulster vote Remain, and (little) England vote Leave. Very likely this will trigger another separation vote in Scotland, but what of the rest of us? It seems to me whatever the result on Friday morning, it may well raise more questions than giving answers.

Great post. City slickers. I echo you view that it may give more questions than answers. It's the possible knock on effect that worries me most for wales. If we did leave then I think the scots won't be to happy after voting to stay. Which I think and rightly so would trigger another referendum for Scotland to leave uk. Which i believe they would win. That leaves us then taking a lot from England and giving very little back. Which is one of the main reasons a lot of people want to leave eu because they believe they take more than give back. So could any welsh person who voted leave then deny England the right to leave uk??

And where would that leave us?? Certainly not living in the way we used to now.

I believe remain will win so all that won't matter either way. And even if it did I think be many years before a possible England split would happen I'd be to old for it to concern me then if at all in still alive. But it will effect my daughter and any future family or hers and mine.

I admit it a very small risk of this happening but a risk it is,that I'd rather not take. It for a secure future for my family I shall vote remain.