Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:43 am
Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:42 am
Forever Blue wrote:The BBC has warned English football fans not to dress as crusaders when attending the Euro 2016 tournament this summer as they might cause offence to Muslims.
BBC
By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS
Saturday 4th June 2016
The advice comes via their ‘iWonder’ website, aimed at a younger audience, which asks such pressing questions as “Was Shakespeare a feminist?” and “How green is my commute?”
Posing the question: “Is it wrong to dress as a crusader for an England match?” the answer appears to be a resounding “yes”.
“Crusaders were the perpetrators of violent attacks across Europe and the Middle East on Muslims, Jews and pagans,” the website intones, suggesting that fans may simply want to don the English flag instead, as “this has nothing to do with crusaders or what they stood for”.
And although it can’t help musing: “The English flag used to have connotations with far-right nationalism,” it is forced to concede that: “Today the flag is flown by local authorities and individuals in a purely patriotic sense.”
Digging deeper into the history of the crusades, the website depicts crusaders as “wading ankle deep in blood, killing civilians and resorting to cannibalism,” although it admits that accounts of such actions “may have [been] exaggerated,” while a source is cited describing the leader of the Muslim forces, Nur ed-Din as “a just prince, valiant and wise, and according to the traditions of his race, a religious man”.
Breezing past the fact that the Christian Holy Roman Empire was “losing territory to Muslim Turks in the East,” the website recounts the history of the crusades in terms depicting the Christian forces as the equivalent of today’s Islamic State: religion-crazed extremists who ravaged the Middle East in an attempt to win favour in heaven.
The English king Richard the First, we are told, slayed his captives while his forces “massacred” the people of Constantinople and plundered the city.
The website then goes on to ask three members of the public whether they would dress up as a crusader at a football match. One would as “the costumes are very over-the-top and clearly in the realms of fancy dress,” but the others wouldn’t.
David from Hounslow said: “If I know that something offends others but I am involved with them in a joint activity then it is probably a good idea to moderate or stop what is giving offence. The potent symbolism of the crusader outfit takes the issue beyond the world of just a bit of fun.”
And Amin from London chips in: “I have some reservations due to the bloody history of the crusades. Yes, it’s a part of history, but we need to move on. Conquest and pillage in the name of Christianity isn’t exactly a positive reminder of our history and not something we should really be celebrating.”
A spokesman for the BBC insisted that the iWonder website doesn’t take a view on any topic. “iWonder guides are not the BBC passing judgement, they cover a huge range of topics and are designed to ask questions which encourage debate. In this instance, the users were given the opportunity to express their own views by voting on the topic,” he told The Times.
But the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (Caabu) has suggested that fans take heed of the BBC’s warning and leave the crusader costumes behind when travelling to France for the tournament this summer.
Chris Doyle, director of Caabu, said the word “crusade” has powerful negative connotations in the Arab world, which could potentially open fans up to being targeted by extremists.
“I would hope Muslims do not take offence but there may well be people who do. They may present themselves as more of a target to any extremist,” he said.
Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:57 am
angelis1949 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The BBC has warned English football fans not to dress as crusaders when attending the Euro 2016 tournament this summer as they might cause offence to Muslims.
BBC
By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS
Saturday 4th June 2016
The advice comes via their ‘iWonder’ website, aimed at a younger audience, which asks such pressing questions as “Was Shakespeare a feminist?” and “How green is my commute?”
Posing the question: “Is it wrong to dress as a crusader for an England match?” the answer appears to be a resounding “yes”.
“Crusaders were the perpetrators of violent attacks across Europe and the Middle East on Muslims, Jews and pagans,” the website intones, suggesting that fans may simply want to don the English flag instead, as “this has nothing to do with crusaders or what they stood for”.
And although it can’t help musing: “The English flag used to have connotations with far-right nationalism,” it is forced to concede that: “Today the flag is flown by local authorities and individuals in a purely patriotic sense.”
Digging deeper into the history of the crusades, the website depicts crusaders as “wading ankle deep in blood, killing civilians and resorting to cannibalism,” although it admits that accounts of such actions “may have [been] exaggerated,” while a source is cited describing the leader of the Muslim forces, Nur ed-Din as “a just prince, valiant and wise, and according to the traditions of his race, a religious man”.
Breezing past the fact that the Christian Holy Roman Empire was “losing territory to Muslim Turks in the East,” the website recounts the history of the crusades in terms depicting the Christian forces as the equivalent of today’s Islamic State: religion-crazed extremists who ravaged the Middle East in an attempt to win favour in heaven.
The English king Richard the First, we are told, slayed his captives while his forces “massacred” the people of Constantinople and plundered the city.
The website then goes on to ask three members of the public whether they would dress up as a crusader at a football match. One would as “the costumes are very over-the-top and clearly in the realms of fancy dress,” but the others wouldn’t.
David from Hounslow said: “If I know that something offends others but I am involved with them in a joint activity then it is probably a good idea to moderate or stop what is giving offence. The potent symbolism of the crusader outfit takes the issue beyond the world of just a bit of fun.”
And Amin from London chips in: “I have some reservations due to the bloody history of the crusades. Yes, it’s a part of history, but we need to move on. Conquest and pillage in the name of Christianity isn’t exactly a positive reminder of our history and not something we should really be celebrating.”
A spokesman for the BBC insisted that the iWonder website doesn’t take a view on any topic. “iWonder guides are not the BBC passing judgement, they cover a huge range of topics and are designed to ask questions which encourage debate. In this instance, the users were given the opportunity to express their own views by voting on the topic,” he told The Times.
But the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (Caabu) has suggested that fans take heed of the BBC’s warning and leave the crusader costumes behind when travelling to France for the tournament this summer.
Chris Doyle, director of Caabu, said the word “crusade” has powerful negative connotations in the Arab world, which could potentially open fans up to being targeted by extremists.
“I would hope Muslims do not take offence but there may well be people who do. They may present themselves as more of a target to any extremist,” he said.
I hope English fans totally ignore this politicly correct nonsense
Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:18 pm
Forever Blue wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The BBC has warned English football fans not to dress as crusaders when attending the Euro 2016 tournament this summer as they might cause offence to Muslims.
BBC
By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS
Saturday 4th June 2016
The advice comes via their ‘iWonder’ website, aimed at a younger audience, which asks such pressing questions as “Was Shakespeare a feminist?” and “How green is my commute?”
Posing the question: “Is it wrong to dress as a crusader for an England match?” the answer appears to be a resounding “yes”.
“Crusaders were the perpetrators of violent attacks across Europe and the Middle East on Muslims, Jews and pagans,” the website intones, suggesting that fans may simply want to don the English flag instead, as “this has nothing to do with crusaders or what they stood for”.
And although it can’t help musing: “The English flag used to have connotations with far-right nationalism,” it is forced to concede that: “Today the flag is flown by local authorities and individuals in a purely patriotic sense.”
Digging deeper into the history of the crusades, the website depicts crusaders as “wading ankle deep in blood, killing civilians and resorting to cannibalism,” although it admits that accounts of such actions “may have [been] exaggerated,” while a source is cited describing the leader of the Muslim forces, Nur ed-Din as “a just prince, valiant and wise, and according to the traditions of his race, a religious man”.
Breezing past the fact that the Christian Holy Roman Empire was “losing territory to Muslim Turks in the East,” the website recounts the history of the crusades in terms depicting the Christian forces as the equivalent of today’s Islamic State: religion-crazed extremists who ravaged the Middle East in an attempt to win favour in heaven.
The English king Richard the First, we are told, slayed his captives while his forces “massacred” the people of Constantinople and plundered the city.
The website then goes on to ask three members of the public whether they would dress up as a crusader at a football match. One would as “the costumes are very over-the-top and clearly in the realms of fancy dress,” but the others wouldn’t.
David from Hounslow said: “If I know that something offends others but I am involved with them in a joint activity then it is probably a good idea to moderate or stop what is giving offence. The potent symbolism of the crusader outfit takes the issue beyond the world of just a bit of fun.”
And Amin from London chips in: “I have some reservations due to the bloody history of the crusades. Yes, it’s a part of history, but we need to move on. Conquest and pillage in the name of Christianity isn’t exactly a positive reminder of our history and not something we should really be celebrating.”
A spokesman for the BBC insisted that the iWonder website doesn’t take a view on any topic. “iWonder guides are not the BBC passing judgement, they cover a huge range of topics and are designed to ask questions which encourage debate. In this instance, the users were given the opportunity to express their own views by voting on the topic,” he told The Times.
But the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (Caabu) has suggested that fans take heed of the BBC’s warning and leave the crusader costumes behind when travelling to France for the tournament this summer.
Chris Doyle, director of Caabu, said the word “crusade” has powerful negative connotations in the Arab world, which could potentially open fans up to being targeted by extremists.
“I would hope Muslims do not take offence but there may well be people who do. They may present themselves as more of a target to any extremist,” he said.
I hope English fans totally ignore this politicly correct nonsense
I reckon they will do it even more and so they should
Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:32 pm
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Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:55 pm
cardiffblue74 wrote:I thought the BBC stood for the British Broadcasting Corporation and was paid for by us the British Licence fee payers. Therefore I am at total loss why it seems to represent other countries and cultures more than those for paid for it!
Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:59 pm
Forever Blue wrote:The BBC has warned English football fans not to dress as crusaders when attending the Euro 2016 tournament this summer as they might cause offence to Muslims.
BBC
By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS
Saturday 4th June 2016
The advice comes via their ‘iWonder’ website, aimed at a younger audience, which asks such pressing questions as “Was Shakespeare a feminist?” and “How green is my commute?”
Posing the question: “Is it wrong to dress as a crusader for an England match?” the answer appears to be a resounding “yes”.
“Crusaders were the perpetrators of violent attacks across Europe and the Middle East on Muslims, Jews and pagans,” the website intones, suggesting that fans may simply want to don the English flag instead, as “this has nothing to do with crusaders or what they stood for”.
And although it can’t help musing: “The English flag used to have connotations with far-right nationalism,” it is forced to concede that: “Today the flag is flown by local authorities and individuals in a purely patriotic sense.”
Digging deeper into the history of the crusades, the website depicts crusaders as “wading ankle deep in blood, killing civilians and resorting to cannibalism,” although it admits that accounts of such actions “may have [been] exaggerated,” while a source is cited describing the leader of the Muslim forces, Nur ed-Din as “a just prince, valiant and wise, and according to the traditions of his race, a religious man”.
Breezing past the fact that the Christian Holy Roman Empire was “losing territory to Muslim Turks in the East,” the website recounts the history of the crusades in terms depicting the Christian forces as the equivalent of today’s Islamic State: religion-crazed extremists who ravaged the Middle East in an attempt to win favour in heaven.
The English king Richard the First, we are told, slayed his captives while his forces “massacred” the people of Constantinople and plundered the city.
The website then goes on to ask three members of the public whether they would dress up as a crusader at a football match. One would as “the costumes are very over-the-top and clearly in the realms of fancy dress,” but the others wouldn’t.
David from Hounslow said: “If I know that something offends others but I am involved with them in a joint activity then it is probably a good idea to moderate or stop what is giving offence. The potent symbolism of the crusader outfit takes the issue beyond the world of just a bit of fun.”
And Amin from London chips in: “I have some reservations due to the bloody history of the crusades. Yes, it’s a part of history, but we need to move on. Conquest and pillage in the name of Christianity isn’t exactly a positive reminder of our history and not something we should really be celebrating.”
A spokesman for the BBC insisted that the iWonder website doesn’t take a view on any topic. “iWonder guides are not the BBC passing judgement, they cover a huge range of topics and are designed to ask questions which encourage debate. In this instance, the users were given the opportunity to express their own views by voting on the topic,” he told The Times.
But the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (Caabu) has suggested that fans take heed of the BBC’s warning and leave the crusader costumes behind when travelling to France for the tournament this summer.
Chris Doyle, director of Caabu, said the word “crusade” has powerful negative connotations in the Arab world, which could potentially open fans up to being targeted by extremists.
“I would hope Muslims do not take offence but there may well be people who do. They may present themselves as more of a target to any extremist,” he said.
Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:01 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:I've just written to the BBC suggesting it would be a far better idea to just simply ban Muslims. Then the rest of us can simply wear and do what we want without fear of these nutters trying to kill us for it. Happy Christmas.
Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:17 am
Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:52 am
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:18 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Typical Liberal response it's laughable. Don't offend constantly. But these baffons offend Mr and Mrs average beyond. Just to piss them off I hope every English fan dresses as Crusaders. Typical some are determined to destroy anything that is Nationalistic, because they feel ashamed of who we are and our history.
As said above ban the Burka, and get rid of Sharia Law from our shores as they offend me.
Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:16 pm
Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:33 pm
griff105 wrote:Just ban England.
Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:46 pm
angelis1949 wrote:griff105 wrote:Just ban England.
Oh dear
Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:53 am
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:Perhaps it's time to ban the f*cking burkha then as that offends a lot of Britons.
Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:31 am
griff105 wrote:angelis1949 wrote:griff105 wrote:Just ban England.
Oh dear
It was a joke.
Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:00 am
Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:22 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:The Muslims need to lighten up a bit. We all get insulted sometimes but live with it. Every time we open our mouths or wear some item of clothing it seems to offend Muslims. No doubt the English will call us sheepshaggers. I could take offence at that, particularly as I doubt if I have shagged more than twenty or so sheep in my entire life.
Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:18 pm
Jock wrote:The BBC is supposed to be fair and accurate, it is neither. They're promotion of a PC Facism has and continues to harm this country.
Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:45 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:The Muslims need to lighten up a bit. We all get insulted sometimes but live with it. Every time we open our mouths or wear some item of clothing it seems to offend Muslims. No doubt the English will call us sheepshaggers. I could take offence at that, particularly as I doubt if I have shagged more than twenty or so sheep in my entire life.
Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:08 pm
Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:06 pm
blackandbluebird wrote:Maybe the Germans should dress up as Nazis....I am sure no one will be offended.