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Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:15 am
Thoughts? I thought he put Cameron to shame.
Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:26 am
MalkyandBlueIN wrote:Thoughts? I thought he put Cameron to shame.
Cameron is losing the plot if past couple days are anything to go by!
Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:05 pm
pembroke allan wrote:MalkyandBlueIN wrote:Thoughts? I thought he put Cameron to shame.
Cameron is losing the plot if past couple days ate anything to go by!

I have NO Respect for Cameron lie after lie
Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:27 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:MalkyandBlueIN wrote:Thoughts? I thought he put Cameron to shame.
Cameron is losing the plot if past couple days ate anything to go by!

I have NO Respect for Cameron lie after lie
Wouldn't know truth if it hit him in face!
Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:04 pm
Didn't see it is that the general opinion that Cameron was butt fooked ? Hope so Cameron's position is untenable now it's lies lies lies and some laughable lies from him. Can see Boris taking over if I'm honest. The trouble is the opposition is so weak Cameron thinks he can do and say whatever he wants and get away with it. TBF having a very weak Labour Party is damaging for the Nation.
Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:27 pm
I'm afraid you are right there
Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:23 am
Nuclearblue wrote:Didn't see it is that the general opinion that Cameron was butt fooked ? Hope so Cameron's position is untenable now it's lies lies lies and some laughable lies from him. Can see Boris taking over if I'm honest. The trouble is the opposition is so weak Cameron thinks he can do and say whatever he wants and get away with it. TBF having a very weak Labour Party is damaging for the Nation.
Nukes, Cameron is dead in the water regardless of the outcome after a succession of lies, manipulations and U-turns (he is actually a Euro-sceptic at heart)
Boris has a 50/50 chance of being the next Conservative leader (I'll keep my opinions on the damage he could potentially cause for a later date, if it should happen) all depending on whether his gamble to back the
BREXIT campaign succeeds or not
If the vote is to
REMAIN, then the Conservative Party (and all others to be fair) need to accept the result quickly and move on even faster; but without Boris, who will also be fatally wounded (in the political sense) after being on the losing side
Cameron and his sidekick Osborne will be ousted as soon as humanly possible (hopefully they'll jump but I don't see either of them with the moral backbone to do that) so I can see a battle between three potential candidates; Boris, Michael Gove and (a good bet in my opinion and that of others) Theresa May
Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:11 am
My opinion grove was a disaster pulled to shreds with no facts didn't answer question fiasal was laughing at him at points. Showed the total lack of substance of leave. He just made up on the spot half the country were worse of because of the eu. Then had no facts to back it up when questioned on it.
I think he did a bit better with audience questions but they certainly went easy on him but even then he was lost with little substance pausing for time to talk about how important one guys work was,?what part of France an other lady lived in etc etc. to the point they had to hurry him up. Danger danger danger.
Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:38 am
Never understand why the "leavers" are expected to have a five or ten year plan, they are not a political party, with party apparatus. Who knows if we left who would be the next PM, but whatever the majority of the populous would have voted to leave the EU, so they would have to deal with it.
One thing dawned on me last week though. I thought UKIP had served their purpose and would quickly die, but where do the 45% of "outers" go after this election if the results (as predicted) is 55% Vs 45% ? Scottish independence hasn't left the agenda since the convincing remain vote.
I dislike the tories through experience, but do admire their ability to ditch their leader when things are going wayward. But, Cameron is 1 year into a five year cycle, will he want to go so soon. Nobody will argue this vote has been a disaster, what did the clown think he would achieve, a 70%/30% vote to follow Dave and stay in ?
One of the most stoutly left regions in the UK has UKIP AM's !!!!! How the hell did that happen ?
Gove is a super intelligent bloke, albeit a bit strange, but when they keep on about job loses why didn't he mention that on Friday 11,000 people may lose their job with BHS and god knows many more at Tata when we are in the EU. We always have situations you need to overcome, Wars,financial crisis like leaving the ERM, letting bankers think they rule the world, changing demographics. Why are we so scarred of facing another one ?
Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:10 am
Gove did very well and certainly was much better than David Cameron. Being objective both sides haven't exactly covered themselves in glory and their individual campaigns have used fear, deceit and personality flaws in an attempt win a negative battle.
I have made my decision on the bases of what I think is fundamentally wrong with EU and that's it's lack of direct democracy at it's decision making heart. Leave the EU parliament make laws not the unelected EU Commission. Also there is clearly a problem with the funding of the EU itself and after 25 years of failed audits it has to be time to for someone to take this matter by the horns and sort it out.
For me this referendum is about principle and I cannot bring myself to vote for such an undemocratic and institutionally corrupt organisation.
Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:08 am
Sven wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Didn't see it is that the general opinion that Cameron was butt fooked ? Hope so Cameron's position is untenable now it's lies lies lies and some laughable lies from him. Can see Boris taking over if I'm honest. The trouble is the opposition is so weak Cameron thinks he can do and say whatever he wants and get away with it. TBF having a very weak Labour Party is damaging for the Nation.
Nukes, Cameron is dead in the water regardless of the outcome after a succession of lies, manipulations and U-turns (he is actually a Euro-sceptic at heart)
Boris has a 50/50 chance of being the next Conservative leader (I'll keep my opinions on the damage he could potentially cause for a later date, if it should happen) all depending on whether his gamble to back the
BREXIT campaign succeeds or not
If the vote is to
REMAIN, then the Conservative Party (and all others to be fair) need to accept the result quickly and move on even faster; but without Boris, who will also be fatally wounded (in the political sense) after being on the losing side
Cameron and his sidekick Osborne will be ousted as soon as humanly possible (hopefully they'll jump but I don't see either of them with the moral backbone to do that) so I can see a battle between three potential candidates; Boris, Michael Gove and (a good bet in my opinion and that of others) Theresa May

Was it Theresa May that actually said Sharia law would be beneficial to Britain ? That alone says she is no way fit in anyway to rule our Nation ? Gove is the only other option TBH in the Tory party. Labour is a complete mess and I pray they don't get the chance to screw the country like the far left have done in France.
Cameron oh lord what a bell end. Because Labour is so weak he thinks he can do and say and lie as much as he wants but now it's destroying him and I hope he steps down. But I am terrified that May could take his place and by her comments above we would be fooked.
Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:24 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Sven wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Didn't see it is that the general opinion that Cameron was butt fooked ? Hope so Cameron's position is untenable now it's lies lies lies and some laughable lies from him. Can see Boris taking over if I'm honest. The trouble is the opposition is so weak Cameron thinks he can do and say whatever he wants and get away with it. TBF having a very weak Labour Party is damaging for the Nation.
Nukes, Cameron is dead in the water regardless of the outcome after a succession of lies, manipulations and U-turns (he is actually a Euro-sceptic at heart)
Boris has a 50/50 chance of being the next Conservative leader (I'll keep my opinions on the damage he could potentially cause for a later date, if it should happen) all depending on whether his gamble to back the
BREXIT campaign succeeds or not
If the vote is to
REMAIN, then the Conservative Party (and all others to be fair) need to accept the result quickly and move on even faster; but without Boris, who will also be fatally wounded (in the political sense) after being on the losing side
Cameron and his sidekick Osborne will be ousted as soon as humanly possible (hopefully they'll jump but I don't see either of them with the moral backbone to do that) so I can see a battle between three potential candidates; Boris, Michael Gove and (a good bet in my opinion and that of others) Theresa May

Was it Theresa May that actually said Sharia law would be beneficial to Britain ? That alone says she is no way fit in anyway to rule our Nation ? Gove is the only other option TBH in the Tory party. Labour is a complete mess and I pray they don't get the chance to screw the country like the far left have done in France.
Cameron oh lord what a bell end. Because Labour is so weak he thinks he can do and say and lie as much as he wants but now it's destroying him and I hope he steps down. But I am terrified that May could take his place and by her comments above we would be fooked.
Nukes, I don't vote Conservative, so this is only an opinion based on what I read. I have a keen interest in politics but no particular allegiance to one Party
Theresa May is a dangerous woman
IF put in charge of anything (let alone the UK itself)
BUT if you watch how she is carefully posturing herself I think she would be in a good position to pick up the Conservative pieces
Clever politics but the simple fact is that the UK will be fecked for some time regardless of the vote, as we will either be signing our own sovereignty over in reality or fighting to sort out the implications of leaving
Still an
OUT vote for me. I'm prepared to take the chance, as I don't see a United States of Europe being a stable entity for many years to come. if at all!
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