' TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR PAUL TROLLOPE '

' TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR PAUL TROLLOPE '

Why the prospect of new Cardiff City boss Paul Trollope keeping his job with Wales is simply preposterous


Sunday 22nd May 2016


BY STEVE TUCKER


The idea that Cardiff City's manager will be missing at intervals throughout the season is unacceptable





That is that the new man in the Bluebirds’ hot-seat will in fact have two jobs, managing the Cardiff first team hopefully to Championship glory and coaching the Wales national side.

Yep, despite taking the top job at the Bluebirds, Trollope has been given the green-light by the club’s hierarchy, to continue assisting Chris Coleman and the Dragons not only at the Euros this summer, but then also through their World Cup qualifiers which will kick-off in September and then run for more than a year.

Now, whilst one is certain Trollope is a talented and resourceful kind of guy, the task of trying to take a massive club like Cardiff back into the Premier League is surely a job that requires complete and undivided attention. Indeed it is a task that has tested and beaten some of the most gifted and experienced managers down the years, let alone a virtual novice who has not actually managed a side in the last six years.



The question arises, how on earth is he going to manage it? Quickly followed by a second enquiry, why is he being allowed to do it in the first place?

To answer the second first, I’ve no idea, unless Trollope dug his heels in about Wales and Cardiff were so keen to have him that they acquiesced, which is a pretty strange thing anyway.

No one is suggesting for a moment that, after years helping Chris Coleman create history by reaching France this summer, that Trollope misses out on the final jamboree at the end of it, but, having stepped into one of the feistiest jobs in football, then to disappear off for weeks on end over the summer just seems rather alarming.



Sure, we are not in the dark ages and everyone has phones and email, but isn’t the close season, particularly when you have just a taken a job, one of the most crucial times? People often talk about the impact missing preseason can have on a player in the ensuing campaign, but what about someone who is effectively a team manager?

If Wales were to make the quarter-finals of the Euros, which we hope they do, Trollope would be with the Dragons all the way through from early June right through to early July.

His focus naturally will be on doing the very best by the likes of Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey, where do the Bluebirds even fit into that with the kick-off of a crunch Championship campaign then being just a month away?

What about all the Cardiff signings and sales and contract negotiations? If these are to be left to Head of Football, Russell Slade, well, you wonder what the point in appointing Trollope was at all? To lay out a few comes on a training pitch now and then?



There is talk of bringing in some people to assist him with former Cardiff boss Lennie Lawrence having been approached to renew his partnership with Trollope , but can such vital work be left to assistants with the man who will live or die by Cardiff results next term away plotting the downfall of Russia?

But even if you put his disappearance to the Euros aside and maintain he deserves to go, the real concern for Cardiff supporters, who have endured plenty down the years to be fair, is that at regular intervals throughout next season, their manager will be away at the likes of Serbia and Moldova trying to make sure Wales get to the next World Cup.



The next campaign is going to be massive for Cardiff, it is going to take everyone pulling together, grit and determination, everyone focussed on a single task if they are to succeed in what is going to be a highly-competitive division.

But in the international breaks, the Bluebirds will have no manager really. Those breathing spaces, when coaches and managers reflect and work on future strategies, brood on changes of team personnel, will see the very man charged to do that at Cardiff absent coaching the national side. It is hard to see how the situation benefits either party, the Bluebirds or Wales.

Indeed it almost verges on the preposterous to be honest. One struggles to think of a manager in all four divisions who is in such a situation, let alone in the cut-throat atmosphere of the Championship. It just never happens, except at Cardiff of course.

Trollope’s appointment in the Welsh capital hardly set the pulses races in the first place, but his divided loyalties when it comes to Cardiff and Wales cast an even bigger shadow over the situation.

If he triumphs at Cardiff it will be despite holding down two jobs, if Trollope fails, well, it will most likely be due to that fact.

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I totally agree with this

You cannot do both jobs

The build up to preseason he disappears and he will be away for the world cup qualifiers when he should be working with the players

Another lunacy idea from the board

I'm happy to see him continue his role with Wales and if he is happy he has the right backroom staff in place there should not be an issue.

I doubt that he'll have much input into the playing squad anyway.

The famous "transfer committee" will deal with any player movement during the time Trollope is away and when he eventually returns he'll be told "There's the squad - get on with it".

Strange that the club could have appointed someone who's only focus would have been on Cardiff City immediately rather than someone who's attention and concentration needs to be elsewhere for part of the vital pre-season.

This is exactly why slade is still at the club. Despite what they say With trolloppe away so often slade will play a role with the first team during these times .

The coach is more important than the manager especially if you have a director of football

Stopped reading at the bit that said Tucker.

Stopped reading at the bit that said Tucker.

Me too. I'm gonna make a point of disagreeing with everything tucker says, the guy is rubbish.

Trollope has not yet tried to juggle both jobs. Lets wait and see how he manages them both before judgement is passed.

I'm sure if it doesn't work, Trollope will be the first to realise.

Two things came to mins when I read this. Since when have Cardiff been a "massive club" and I remember when Toshack was Wales' main striker we had a Welsh manager who was also managing Northampton at the same time. Would'nt be the first manager to combine two roles, and if he finds it impossible to combine the two I am sure he is intelligent enough to drop one of them.

Stopped reading at the bit that said Tucker.

I feel a well overdue ban is coming Tuckers way and I wouldn't blame the club if they do it. Pissing off Ken Choo by badly miss quoting him is one thing but the scruffy fuckwit just doesn't know when to stop.

Now that's "Totally Unacceptable" if you ask me.

Note to Tuckers editor. Remove him from covering Cardiff City and replace him with somebody whose competent. Utter gash and should be banned from the club.

Tuckers a f*cking disgrace

Last time i looked this "massive" club was in the championship, where the league is suspended for international fixtures. Trollope is a Wales coach headquartered within a the short aeroplane hop of Newport to Cardiff, he may be jet lagged but i am sure he'll be clear headed.

Is Tom Bradshaw worth a punt, i don't think so but wouldn't it be great if you could have a close look at him against championship or even better premiership defenders in an organised training session.

I can't see any downside.

Why re-post anything by Tucker.

Why re-post anything by Tucker.

Because, The forum reports everything to do with football as you already know and its a forum to discuss and debate,like everyone else is doing.

Why re-post anything by Tucker.

Because, The forum reports everything to do with football as you already know and its a forum to discuss and debate,like everyone else is doing.

The main thing in all of this debate is football knowledge, hence, the question , why repost anything from Tucker:-)

Two things came to mins when I read this. Since when have Cardiff been a "massive club" and I remember when Toshack was Wales' main striker we had a Welsh manager who was also managing Northampton at the same time. Would'nt be the first manager to combine two roles, and if he finds it impossible to combine the two I am sure he is intelligent enough to drop one of them.

I was going to post that I couldn't think of a time when someone had successfully combined international management with club management.

Thanks for proactively providing the answer

Why re-post anything by Tucker.

Because, The forum reports everything to do with football as you already know and its a forum to discuss and debate,like everyone else is doing.

Also there are posters you don't take such a closed attitude. I have no problem with the guy putting his views out and it's a bit pathetic censoring articles on the grounds of who has written them.

Tucker does sometimes over egg his opinion but the overall message "Can Trollope do both jobs" is a valid point.

I doubt that he'll have much input into the playing squad anyway.

The famous "transfer committee" will deal with any player movement during the time Trollope is away and when he eventually returns he'll be told "There's the squad - get on with it".

Strange that the club could have appointed someone who's only focus would have been on Cardiff City immediately rather than someone who's attention and concentration needs to be elsewhere for part of the vital pre-season.

You mean infamous transfer committee, don't you

Why re-post anything by Tucker.

Because, The forum reports everything to do with football as you already know and its a forum to discuss and debate,like everyone else is doing.

The main thing in all of this debate is football knowledge, hence, the question , why repost anything from Tucker:-)

Because the story is about City and also he is up for debate.
But if you don't like it,simple stay of the topic, no one forces you read it or comment

Langley, but I do agree with you about Tucker

No way can he do both jobs. This is why Slade is still at the club so he takes over when Trollope is away with Wales

No way can he do both jobs. This is why Slade is still at the club so he takes over when Trollope is away with Wales

Slade must never get anywhere near City transfer or team affairs ever again

No way can he do both jobs. This is why Slade is still at the club so he takes over when Trollope is away with Wales

Slade must never get anywhere near City transfer or team affairs ever again

Is there anything to suggest he will? Just because he's at the club it doesn't mean he will get re involved in 1st team affairs when it's been stated he won't be!

No way can he do both jobs. This is why Slade is still at the club so he takes over when Trollope is away with Wales

Slade must never get anywhere near City transfer or team affairs ever again

Is there anything to suggest he will? Just because he's at the club it doesn't mean he will get re involved in 1st team affairs when it's been stated he won't be!

I refer you to Blueboys post

No way can he do both jobs. This is why Slade is still at the club so he takes over when Trollope is away with Wales

Slade must never get anywhere near City transfer or team affairs ever again

Is there anything to suggest he will? Just because he's at the club it doesn't mean he will get re involved in 1st team affairs when it's been stated he won't be!

I refer you to Blueboys post

Ahhh right but as I've said it's been stated several times that slade won't have any involvement in 1st team affairs even if trollope is away, so no worries about him being involved, as I see it trollope will report to dalman/choo who will act on what's said.

Trollope was the cheap option...simples

Trollope was the cheap option...simples

Cheap because he was already employed by club!

Tucker talking nonsense as usual.

Trollope being part of the Wales setup means instead of being restricted to his office and training ground, only having a knowledge of British players or relying on Tan's contacts; he can develop a further knowledge of Wales' players, have a better insight in what Welsh players may be available, get info from the Welsh players about available players at their respective clubs who can improve us, plus improve his knowledge about opposing players Wales play against from around the world.

Trollope will keep learning, keep improving himself and pick up a far greater knowledge of players around the world being with Wales, that's for sure. Every other manager will be using the Euro's to scout players anyway and Trollope will no doubt already have a list of potential targets before jetting off to France. Trollope's only a coach with Wales, less responsibility than the manager which will still give him the time to secure the targets he wants if he feels he does want to bring fresh faces in before the Euro's.

Two things came to mins when I read this. Since when have Cardiff been a "massive club" and I remember when Toshack was Wales' main striker we had a Welsh manager who was also managing Northampton at the same time. Wouldn't be the first manager to combine two roles, and if he finds it impossible to combine the two I am sure he is intelligent enough to drop one of them.

We also had Jimmy Murphy who was Manchester United assistant manager, who only escaped the Munich Air Disaster because he was managing Wales in their win against Israel and therefore qualified for the 1958 World Cup, he also managed them during the World cup, while performing the duties of Man Utd Manager while Matt Busby was recuperating in hospital from his injuries in the disaster, he went on to win the FA Cup in 1958 for Man Utd.