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Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 8:36 am

James Rowberry Was spoken to and interviewed to see if he was interested in being assistant manager Not Manager like the media put out

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 8:43 am

Unbelievable fans think this is the right approach to the coaching structure. I strongly believe that Tan shouldn't micro manage the coaching structure to this extent.

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 8:51 am

Trollope/Rowberry team sounds better than a Slade/Trollope/Young setup.

What if Trollope has some great ideas that Slade wouldn't entertain. He may be willing to take more risks than Slade did.

You gotta give them a chance

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 8:52 am

Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 8:54 am

ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!



Hiw do you know it wasn't trollopes request for Rowberry to be his assistant?

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 8:59 am

look at recent history. Tan micromanaged Slade's coaching set-up to very average results, Slade presumably had to beg Tan to bring in outside help as the coaching set-up personally micromanaged by Tan wasn't working.

Trollope was brought in, and one can consider that was Slade's choice. My point is why do we have to go through all this again? Just let the head coach manage his own coaching staff.

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:00 am

Mr Shed wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!



Hiw do you know it wasn't trollopes request for Rowberry to be his assistant?


O.K I take that on board, I don't know :thumbup:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:37 am

ThomasC wrote:Unbelievable fans think this is the right approach to the coaching structure. I strongly believe that Tan shouldn't micro manage the coaching structure to this extent.


Not sure if Tan does micro manage anyone....if I was the owner of a company turning over £50 million p.a I think I would be speaking to my chairman, ceo and senior manager at least 4/5 times a week. This is probably what Tan does thats not micro managing especially when you consider he only visits the club 2/3 a year these days.

Trollope has probably worked with Rowberry quite closely how do we know that it wasn't Trollope who wants Rowberry as his assistant?

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:43 am

oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Unbelievable fans think this is the right approach to the coaching structure. I strongly believe that Tan shouldn't micro manage the coaching structure to this extent.


Not sure if Tan does micro manage anyone....if I was the owner of a company turning over £50 million p.a I think I would be speaking to my chairman, ceo and senior manager at least 4/5 times a week. This is probably what Tan does thats not micro managing especially when you consider he only visits the club 2/3 a year these days.

Trollope has probably worked with Rowberry quite closely how do we know that it wasn't Trollope who wants Rowberry as his assistant?


Yes, that could well be the case, Rowberry could indeed be Trollope's choice, Also, I stand corrected on the 'micro management' angle as you make a good point Tan is not at the club that much, but, the last last managerial structure was not Slade's choice and it did not work. All I hope is that lessons are learnt from that.

The Head Coach I hope is calling the shots on the personnel front for his coaching team, not the club dictating :ayatollah: :bluebird:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:44 am

Forever Blue wrote:James Rowberry Was spoken to and interviewed to see if he was interested in being assistant manager Not Manager like the media put out

Is it just me that understands Trollope has not been put in place to be the manager,let's all wait and see what unfolds,personally I think it would be a step backwards if Trollope was given the job but I just got this feeling he won't be our next manager

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:47 am

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ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!



which is why i think we probably will end up with trollope as nobody else will work under those restrictions

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:52 am

Reza wrote::)
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!



which is why i think we probably will end up with trollope as nobody else will work under those restrictions


Very interesting that Assistant manager roles are being discussed before a Manager has been put in place. All points to Trollope being manager of CCFC and wish I put money on that a week ago :ayatollah:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:52 am

ThomasC wrote:look at recent history. Tan micromanaged Slade's coaching set-up to very average results, Slade presumably had to beg Tan to bring in outside help as the coaching set-up personally micromanaged by Tan wasn't working.

Trollope was brought in, and one can consider that was Slade's choice. My point is why do we have to go through all this again? Just let the head coach manage his own coaching staff.


Quite right lets look at recent history. MM blew a fortune on duff transfers, OGS was totally clueless and would have completed a double relegation had he stayed. The result VT being over £130m out of pocket and has a football club in exactly in the same position it was before he spent a penny.

Personally in those circumstances I would want to micro manage my staff.

You could argue Slade was a bad appointment but also argue he almost completed his brief on a shoestring. Looking at it from VT's perspective he is doing what he feels is best. Objectively I can see his reasoning as very sound.

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:52 am

ThomasC wrote:look at recent history. Tan micromanaged Slade's coaching set-up to very average resultsComplete guesswork on your part, Slade presumably had to beg Tan to bring in outside help as the coaching set-up personally micromanaged by Tan wasn't working.Another complete whopper,we improved after his appointment and you could easily argue that was to his credit.

Trollope was brought in, and one can consider that was Slade's choice.No it wasn't My point is why do we have to go through all this again? Just let the head coach manage his own coaching staff.


I've got no problem with you expressing your views however far fetched they are but makeing up bogus facts to support your opinions is something I can't ignore even though I probably should.

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 9:53 am

ThomasC wrote:
Reza wrote::)
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!



which is why i think we probably will end up with trollope as nobody else will work under those restrictions


Very interesting that Assistant manager roles are being discussed before a Manager has been put in place. All points to Trollope being manager of CCFC and wish I put money on that a week ago :ayatollah:


So do I :(

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 10:01 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
ThomasC wrote:look at recent history. Tan micromanaged Slade's coaching set-up to very average results, Slade presumably had to beg Tan to bring in outside help as the coaching set-up personally micromanaged by Tan wasn't working.

Trollope was brought in, and one can consider that was Slade's choice. My point is why do we have to go through all this again? Just let the head coach manage his own coaching staff.


Quite right lets look at recent history. MM blew a fortune on duff transfers, OGS was totally clueless and would have completed a double relegation had he stayed. The result VT being over £130m out of pocket and has a football club in exactly in the same position it was before he spent a penny.

Personally in those circumstances I would want to micro manage my staff.

You could argue Slade was a bad appointment but also argue he almost completed his brief on a shoestring. Looking at it from VT's perspective he is doing what he feels is best. Objectively I can see his reasoning as very sound.


Good points Tony, after Ole and the infamous Malky Transfer Window, The structure had to change I do agree, Tan, Dalman and Simon Lim were out of there depth too at PL level

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 10:02 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
ThomasC wrote:look at recent history. Tan micromanaged Slade's coaching set-up to very average resultsComplete guesswork on your part, Slade presumably had to beg Tan to bring in outside help as the coaching set-up personally micromanaged by Tan wasn't working.Another complete whopper,we improved after his appointment and you could easily argue that was to his credit.

Trollope was brought in, and one can consider that was Slade's choice.No it wasn't My point is why do we have to go through all this again? Just let the head coach manage his own coaching staff.


I've got no problem with you expressing your views however far fetched they are but makeing up bogus facts to support your opinions is something I can't ignore even though I probably should.


you shouldn't ignore, message boards can be fun ;) :thumbup:

Slade asked for help, that's what I think. He got Trollope in. Slade was sinking, the football was getting even worse to unbearable spectacles before Trollope started coaching

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 10:14 am

ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

So you know as a fact that Trollope hasn't asked for rowberry to be his assistant ,there for the club has interviewed him on those grounds

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 10:18 am

troobloo3339 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

So you know as a fact that Trollope hasn't asked for rowberry to be his assistant ,there for the club has interviewed him on those grounds


I've had that already, I said that I don't know any facts!

Do you know for a fact Trollope has asked for Rowberry to be his assistant then? You don't hence the speculation.

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 10:36 am

Long time reader, first time poster, the job has been given to so called big name and time served managers and look where it has got us over the last couple of seasons, I think it's time for a bold move, and to go with Trollope & Rowberry, just maybe they might surprise a few, I believe by the time the new season comes around Slade will be back in management lower down the leagues, so he won't be there pulling the strings .

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 10:49 am

ThomasC wrote:
troobloo3339 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

So you know as a fact that Trollope hasn't asked for rowberry to be his assistant ,there for the club has interviewed him on those grounds


I've had that already, I said that I don't know any facts!

Do you know for a fact Trollope has asked for Rowberry to be his assistant then? You don't hence the speculation.


No I don't that's why I didn't say I did (don't make a bigger fool of yourself ) by having a go at me ffs

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 11:22 am

troobloo3339 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:
troobloo3339 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

So you know as a fact that Trollope hasn't asked for rowberry to be his assistant ,there for the club has interviewed him on those grounds


I've had that already, I said that I don't know any facts!

Do you know for a fact Trollope has asked for Rowberry to be his assistant then? You don't hence the speculation.


No I don't that's why I didn't say I did (don't make a bigger fool of yourself ) by having a go at me ffs


:o :thumbup:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 11:35 am

ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

You do the that all the big clubs in the world the manager doesn't pick all his own staff ?

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 12:22 pm

My take on things is we shouldn't judge Trollope on his role with Slade because the final decisions regarding squad and tactics etc would Slade's who comes across as quite stubborn in his ways so i dont think he would have listened to much to Trollope.
I dont have any favourite choice on who i'd prefer as the next manager. Pearson would be good experience wise but i think a Trollope/Rowberry partnership could surprise a few people and also show more interest in the development and academy players :ayatollah:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 2:57 pm

Jasonccfc wrote:My take on things is we shouldn't judge Trollope on his role with Slade because the final decisions regarding squad and tactics etc would Slade's who comes across as quite stubborn in his ways so i dont think he would have listened to much to Trollope.
I dont have any favourite choice on who i'd prefer as the next manager. Pearson would be good experience wise but i think a Trollope/Rowberry partnership could surprise a few people and also show more interest in the development and academy players :ayatollah:


and since Dave Jones left we've not really unearthed any hidden talent - thought I know he was pants with our own youth, but didn't half get his money's worth elsewhere :bluebird:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 3:38 pm

Why would Trollope be in any position to request that Rowberry is his number 2 when he hasn't formally accepted or yet been announced as the manager?

Surely at best Trollope could only have expressed an opinion about Rowberry should he accept the position. I'm sure its Tan who will micro manage and make the decisions at the end of the day. To our detriment.

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 7:13 pm

wez1927 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

You do the that all the big clubs in the world the manager doesn't pick all his own staff ?



Man City, Swansea, man u their managers did not choose their number 2s they were already in place when they came! :thumbup:

Re: Latest News on " James Rowberry "

Tue May 17, 2016 7:25 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
ThomasC wrote:Does anybody seriously think a head coach not being able to pick his own assistant from within the club or from the outside is progressive?

Who wants to work under those conditions? Having all your staff personally chosen for you by Tan!

You do the that all the big clubs in the world the manager doesn't pick all his own staff ?



Man City, Swansea, man u their managers did not choose their number 2s they were already in place when they came! :thumbup:

The days of the manager choosing all there backroom staff have gone ,clubs like continuity these days