Boris Johnson is he right Poll ?

I feel Boris was spot on and have been making this comparison myself lately.

Yes Hitler wanted a European super state as well

And with David Cameron saying equally stupid things in support of the remain campain the arguments presented by both sides are getting sillier by the day,still I suppose theres lots of halfwits out there lapping this shit up.

I wonder how many people with an opinion on this have actually voted in a european election.

I know I haven't.

When anyone has to rely on a comparison with Hitler to get their point over, you can be dam sure they haven't got anything serious to say.

When anyone has to rely on a comparison with Hitler to get their point over, you can be dam sure they haven't got anything serious to say.

so do you think he was right ? Hitler wanted a one socialist super state Europe and so does Brussels i can see why boris said it

When anyone has to rely on a comparison with Hitler to get their point over, you can be dam sure they haven't got anything serious to say.

But even though doing this through say peaceful means the outcome is still the same as Hitler wanted. But on a wider scale the old USSR was one big super state. And this is what the EU want as well. And the frightening thing is that I really can't understand the public of this country wanting to no longer live in a democracy. Brussels will be in charge of this one big superstate and they ARE NOT democratically elected. If you don't like them you can't get them out.
I also believe certain politicians are in this for there own personal greed, just like a certain Neil Kinnock who has amassed a massive fortune from the EU.
But what Boris Johnson is getting at a lot are not grasping the comparison, but in this age if something is true then it's offensive. Unless the public realise the downfalls of staying in the EU they will regret it but by then it will be to late. We could be heading into a communist type Europe with those dictating the way we live like the old communist block. You wait and see.

When anyone has to rely on a comparison with Hitler to get their point over, you can be dam sure they haven't got anything serious to say.

But even though doing this through say peaceful means the outcome is still the same as Hitler wanted. But on a wider scale the old USSR was one big super state. And this is what the EU want as well. And the frightening thing is that I really can't understand the public of this country wanting to no longer live in a democracy. Brussels will be in charge of this one big superstate and they ARE NOT democratically elected. If you don't like them you can't get them out.
I also believe certain politicians are in this for there own personal greed, just like a certain Neil Kinnock who has amassed a massive fortune from the EU.
But what Boris Johnson is getting at a lot are not grasping the comparison, but in this age if something is true then it's offensive. Unless the public realise the downfalls of staying in the EU they will regret it but by then it will be to late. We could be heading into a communist type Europe with those dictating the way we live like the old communist block. You wait and see.

Totally agree 8 really don't get the likes of corbyn who for years was against the eu now for it any true labour man would see the eu is undemocratic

If leaving the EU is the disaster that Cameron says it will be, why did he give us the option of voting to leave in the first place. None of the other parties (apart from UKIP) were interested. Seems to me he did it to get more votes and to satisfy some of his party members. If he did, can a man who is prepared to risk the future of his country for another term in office be trusted? I'm voting out anyway.

When anyone has to rely on a comparison with Hitler to get their point over, you can be dam sure they haven't got anything serious to say.

But even though doing this through say peaceful means the outcome is still the same as Hitler wanted. But on a wider scale the old USSR was one big super state. And this is what the EU want as well. And the frightening thing is that I really can't understand the public of this country wanting to no longer live in a democracy. Brussels will be in charge of this one big superstate and they ARE NOT democratically elected. If you don't like them you can't get them out.
I also believe certain politicians are in this for there own personal greed, just like a certain Neil Kinnock who has amassed a massive fortune from the EU.
But what Boris Johnson is getting at a lot are not grasping the comparison, but in this age if something is true then it's offensive. Unless the public realise the downfalls of staying in the EU they will regret it but by then it will be to late. We could be heading into a communist type Europe with those dictating the way we live like the old communist block. You wait and see.

You can make all the concerns of the EU known without reference to Hitler. I have my own reservations about the EU and I will probably vote to leave.

However, whatever the shortcomings of the EU are they are a billion miles away from what Hitler wanted for Europe. There will never be concentration camps which are designed to exterminate a race under the EU for starters.

Boris using such a comparison is reducing the argument to the lowest common dominator and is a shocking way to conduct a 'democratic' referendum.

When anyone has to rely on a comparison with Hitler to get their point over, you can be dam sure they haven't got anything serious to say.

so do you think he was right ? Hitler wanted a one socialist super state Europe and so does Brussels i can see why boris said it

Read up on your history. What Hitler wanted for Europe is a billion miles away from what the EU wants. Firstly after being conquered by Germany, France didn't have an option to hold a referendum on leaving Nazi occupation FFS

I agree there are huge problems with the EU but comparing it to Hitler and Nazi Germany is quite ridiculous. But there again look who said it.....

If leaving the EU is the disaster that Cameron says it will be, why did he give us the option of voting to leave in the first place. None of the other parties (apart from UKIP) were interested. Seems to me he did it to get more votes and to satisfy some of his party members. If he did, can a man who is prepared to risk the future of his country for another term in office be trusted? I'm voting out anyway.

Now this is a very sensible post.

One of the claims by Cameron is that if we left the EU it could lead to a possible European war. If that is the case then way the frigging hell did he put this country at risk by holding a referendum?

Boris Johnson has sadly dropped to the level of Dodgy Dave by making this comparison because whatever the failings of the EU are, and there are so many, it will NEVER amount to Nazi Germany. I just wish the leave campaign would concentrate on the real issues which need to be debated and not get dragged down by the "Project Fear" campaign being run by Dodgy Dave.

I voted in the last referendum about our membership of the European Union or rather the European Community as it was known back then, and back in 1975 I voted to remain because of the assurance that NO new European Law or Tax Britain considered against our interests could be imposed and any attempt to do so could be blocked by a Veto. More important than that was the ABSOLUTE guarantee that our continued membership of the European Community required the continuing assent of our Parliament. What is the case today?


Well thanks to Major, Blair, Brown and now Dodgy Dave our Parliament is no longer in control as one PM after another have negotiated away our rights of veto and have allowed this German / Franco rush to a Federal United States of Europe to go ahead with little or no control. FFS Dodgy Dave is now in the grotesque position where he has to agree the wording in his speeches with the Germans before he goes public.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee and realise we cannot trust our own leaders to act in our best interests, so what chance will we have when Germany, as the major financial power in the EU, are left to decide our laws, our taxes and our futures ahead of our own national parliament.

I will be voting to leave and I hope the majority in this country do as well.

Watch Brexit the movie on line.

It explains the labyrinth of EU bureaucracy and it even surprised me, for example, I always thought the EU had 1 president - it doesn't - it has 4 - and I've only heard of one of them.

10,000 officials who know one knows earn more the our prime minister.

The EU is so intricate, it is set-up so no one know whats what. The EU parliament has NO POWER whatsoever - it's just a talking shop - even the MEP's admit that. The real power and diktats come form the Un-elected commission chamber, they're incidentally un-sackable!!

Britain has opposed 72 laws and lost every time. Brussels 72 - UK 0.

A dutch trawler has 25% of the fishing quotas for kippers and other certain fish - and sits just off the Yorkshire coast - whilst our lot can only watch. In fact, the EU is encouraging our trawlers to give up by offering cash sums to destroy their boats, whilst the spanish and others take over our fishing grounds.

The EU wanted it banned - Watch it and make your own minds up.

So Boris brings up Hitler and the Nazis who were responsible for the persecution of 6 million Jews and compares it them to the European Union and there's me thinking the remain campaign were the ones who was meant to be scaremongering. This is just another attempt of Boris Johnson scraping at the end of the barrel because he is losing the economic argument. Boris Johnson is actually one of the most pro EU politicians in Westminster and is only campaigning to leave to boost his chances of becoming PM. Team Brexit has no credibility whatsoever and that's been proven by the 10 point lead in the polls over the weekend in favour of remain the biggest margin since this referendum began.

Watch Brexit the movie on line.

It explains the labyrinth of EU bureaucracy and it even surprised me, for example, I always thought the EU had 1 president - it doesn't - it has 4 - and I've only heard of one of them.

10,000 officials who know one knows earn more the our prime minister.

Britain has opposed 72 laws and lost every time. Brussels 72 - UK 0.

that's irrelevant as the Uk is on the winning side 85% of the time a figure that Douglas Carswell was unable to deny. https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status ... 1910583296

Leave Campaign supporters:
1.Boris Johnson- political ambition he wants to be PM (secretly pro European)
2.Iain Duncan Smith- argues "the EU favours the haves and not the have-nots" yet this was a guy who was quite happy to cut disability benefit for the "have-nots" he is supposed to be standing up for. (therefore he has lost credibility in this argument)
3.Michael Gove- promotes the Albania model for Britain yet it is Albania who wants to join the EU
4.Priti Patel- realises Wales relies on EU funding so tries scaremongering and says we wont have that funding after 2020. This is what they said in 2013 and we still received the funding just like we will in 2020 for the fourth time.
5. Nigel Farage- he says that the £55 billion will be invested back into the NHS yet he has said in the past that wants to abolish the NHS
6. Neil Hamilton- supported the shutdown of the coalmines, also supports a privatised NHS and Privatised Education (he doesn't have our best interests at heart he cannot be trusted)
7. Donald Trump- his approach to foreign policy issues have been very divisive to large groups of people. (I wouldn't trust in charge of Americas nuclear weapons)
8. Vladimir Putin- A Dictator who goes against anything democratic (also cannot be trusted with potential nuclear weapons)
9. Marine Le Pen- Leader of the French Far right movement (she holds Fascists beliefs) even Team Brexit wanted to distance themselves from her support.
Are these people you would trust? because I know I wouldn't.

Remain Campaign Supporter:
1.IMF- credible financial organisation (Independent)
2.Bank of England- Credible financial organisation (Independent)
3. British Scientists- they argue that the loss of Freedom of movement in the EU would be a disaster for UK science and Universities
4.The United nations- our ally's
5.Nato (except Russia)- our ally's
6.The Commonwealth nations- our ally's
7.The EU- Our ally's
8. China, Japan, Singapore and India- Our major trading partners outside the EU and our ally's
9.Gibraltar- our closest friends who are telling us if Britain leaves Spain will put up trade barriers on Gibraltar trade putting the country into bankruptcy
10.Business- Jobs connected to the EU
11. Agriculture farmers- without EU funding welsh farmers would struggle to survive.
Why are we prepared to vote against our ally's support and to instead side with our enemy's?

Remain

If the UK votes to leave then N.Ireland will become a big issue.
Imagine N.Ireland out of EU and Republic in EU...Northern Ireland peace process would be at serious risk.

Wales gains more from EU than it pays in.
Scotland wants in.

EU isn't perfect, leaving has Populist appeal, but the reality would create too much uncertainty and as we know financial markets and currency ALWAYS weaken with uncertainty.

To be honest the one person who talks sense in all this is Nigel Farage.

Here is one stat.The Office Of National Statistics project that by 2030 the population of GB will exceed 80 million based on current immigration trends. Now most on here now have experience of the NHS cracking, our schools cannot cope and the strain on housing will be catastrophic .Indigenous populations in City areas in England in particular no longer feel that they live in GB.
The cultural impact that involves will further dilute "Britishness" which is already being threatened by medieval religious bunkum.
So let them all in then...bring it on !!!

RIP GB

Vote OUT !!!!

Here is one stat.The Office Of National Statistics project that by 2030 the population of GB will exceed 80 million based on current immigration trends. Now most on here now have experience of the NHS cracking, our schools cannot cope and the strain on housing will be catastrophic .Indigenous populations in City areas in England in particular no longer feel that they live in GB.
The cultural impact that involves will further dilute "Britishness" which is already being threatened by medieval religious bunkum.
So let them all in then...bring it on !!!

RIP GB

Vote OUT !!!!

Immigration from Non EU countries into the Uk is far greater than the immirgration from EU contires into the Uk with who we have 'freedom of movement' (we can still stop people who cause a threat to the Uk from EU countries coming into the UK). It is also worth pointing out that immirgration from the EU has a net benefit on the Economy and cannot be responsible for the driving down of wages (That's down to the economy crash and rubbish employers who avoids direct critism by using the media to vilify Immirgrants and to use them as a scapegoat). You point out that increasing immirgartion from the EU would cause a house shortage but leaving the EU would ruin the British housing market esspically in already volitie places such as London where housing prices would decrease dramticaly and mortage rates rising. You also argue that further immirgration "dilutes Britishness" but I would argue that further intergration maginifies Britishness and that those people who immigrate to Britain and are integrated into british communites are willing to accept British values. For example take Sadiq Khan the new London mayor whose parents moved to britian over half a decade ago. Sadiq Khan has demonstrated a number of british values throughout his campaign and is far more of a moderate than his own "british" labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. Final point is that British migration into EU countries is also at a all time high allowing british students the best opportuinites, Business and Science to thrive and promtoting British values not just in Britain but across all countries that's within the European Union

Interesting, worth a look

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/v ... 725776939/

And with David Cameron saying equally stupid things in support of the remain campain the arguments presented by both sides are getting sillier by the day,still I suppose theres lots of halfwits out there lapping this shit up.

I wonder how many people with an opinion on this have actually voted in a european election.

I know I haven't.

Standard political debate then

Immigration from Non EU countries into the Uk is far greater than the immirgration from EU contires into the Uk with who we have 'freedom of movement' (we can still stop people who cause a threat to the Uk from EU countries coming into the UK). It is also worth pointing out that immirgration from the EU has a net benefit on the Economy and cannot be responsible for the driving down of wages (That's down to the economy crash and rubbish employers who avoids direct critism by using the media to vilify Immirgrants and to use them as a scapegoat). You point out that increasing immirgartion from the EU would cause a house shortage but leaving the EU would ruin the British housing market esspically in already volitie places such as London where housing prices would decrease dramticaly and mortage rates rising. You also argue that further immirgration "dilutes Britishness" but I would argue that further intergration maginifies Britishness and that those people who immigrate to Britain and are integrated into british communites are willing to accept British values. For example take Sadiq Khan the new London mayor whose parents moved to britian over half a decade ago. Sadiq Khan has demonstrated a number of british values throughout his campaign and is far more of a moderate than his own "british" labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. Final point is that British migration into EU countries is also at a all time high allowing british students the best opportuinites, Business and Science to thrive and promtoting British values not just in Britain but across all countries that's within the European Union

The 'net' economic benefit of immigration is never truly reflected in official figures. It doesn't take into account the cost of educating children of immigrants or the cost of treatment they receive on the NHS and the cost of other public services they access. Due to living space required and the shortage of housing, rental costs have spiralled meaning more and more people need to claim Housing benefit whether they are in work or not.

Also the myth they don’t claim benefits is a load of bollocks. What the official figures show is few claim Job Seekers Allowance because there is a ban on them doing so for 3 months.

However, they DO claim child benefit, working/child tax credits, and housing and council tax reduction benefits. They also claim disability benefits such Personal Independence Payments, either for themselves or their family members. None of this is reflected in the ‘immigration’ cost figures.

If the true cost of immigration was completely factored it would soon wipe out the mythical £2.5b immigrants are supposed to contribute to the economy.

Finally if these people bring so much wealth and prosperity with them, wouldn’t it be much better if they stayed in their own countries and boosted those economies?

Immigration from Non EU countries into the Uk is far greater than the immirgration from EU contires into the Uk with who we have 'freedom of movement' (we can still stop people who cause a threat to the Uk from EU countries coming into the UK). It is also worth pointing out that immirgration from the EU has a net benefit on the Economy and cannot be responsible for the driving down of wages (That's down to the economy crash and rubbish employers who avoids direct critism by using the media to vilify Immirgrants and to use them as a scapegoat). You point out that increasing immirgartion from the EU would cause a house shortage but leaving the EU would ruin the British housing market esspically in already volitie places such as London where housing prices would decrease dramticaly and mortage rates rising. You also argue that further immirgration "dilutes Britishness" but I would argue that further intergration maginifies Britishness and that those people who immigrate to Britain and are integrated into british communites are willing to accept British values. For example take Sadiq Khan the new London mayor whose parents moved to britian over half a decade ago. Sadiq Khan has demonstrated a number of british values throughout his campaign and is far more of a moderate than his own "british" labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. Final point is that British migration into EU countries is also at a all time high allowing british students the best opportuinites, Business and Science to thrive and promtoting British values not just in Britain but across all countries that's within the European Union

The 'net' economic benefit of immigration is never truly reflected in official figures. It doesn't take into account the cost of educating children of immigrants or the cost of treatment they receive on the NHS and the cost of other public services they access. Due to living space required and the shortage of housing, rental costs have spiralled meaning more and more people need to claim Housing benefit whether they are in work or not.

Also the myth they don’t claim benefits is a load of bollocks. What the official figures show is few claim Job Seekers Allowance because there is a ban on them doing so for 3 months.

However, they DO claim child benefit, working/child tax credits, and housing and council tax reduction benefits. They also claim disability benefits such Personal Independence Payments, either for themselves or their family members. None of this is reflected in the ‘immigration’ cost figures.

If the true cost of immigration was completely factored it would soon wipe out the mythical £2.5b immigrants are supposed to contribute to the economy.

Finally if these people bring so much wealth and prosperity with them, wouldn’t it be much better if they stayed in their own countries and boosted those economies?

not offeten I agree with your posts migrants or imigrants do cost the British tax payer money 17 billion a year according to the latest figures released this week which takes in to account all you listed above

Watch Brexit the movie on line.

It explains the labyrinth of EU bureaucracy and it even surprised me, for example, I always thought the EU had 1 president - it doesn't - it has 4 - and I've only heard of one of them.

10,000 officials who know one knows earn more the our prime minister.

Britain has opposed 72 laws and lost every time. Brussels 72 - UK 0.

that's irrelevant as the Uk is on the winning side 85% of the time a figure that Douglas Carswell was unable to deny. https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status ... 1910583296

It's only irrelevant if you vote yes!!!

Boris is wrong.

Its the Labour Party who have more in common with the Nazis these days.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... leave.html

If you have a minute, this is well worth reading.

Some of my friends and relations have told me they will vote for Brexit in our referendum. At the risk of falling out with them I intend to vote for us to remain in the EU. Here's a bit of pre-EU history to help explain my position.
I grew up in a time of post-war austerity. My country, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, was broke and virtually in ruins. Germans were still "the enemy" in children's games. Bomb sites and abandoned air-raid shelters were our playgrounds. Nine years after the war ended butter, meat and sugar were still rationed. One couldn't buy sweets without coupons issued by the government.
Portugal and Spain were fascist dictatorships. In Spain unauthorised gatherings of more than 3 people were illegal. A military junta later seized power in Greece. Half of Europe was sealed off behind the Iron Curtain. I remember lying in bed at night, in my parents home, and hearing the roar of American warplanes flying overhead on their Cold War missions. We were told that, if the Russians unleashed their missiles, we would get 4 minutes' warning of Armageddon.
In Britain our currency was weak. We had exchange controls. Travellers were allowed to take only £25 sterling out of the country plus a limited amount in foreign currency. On return, any left over had to be sold back to an authorised trader. The details were entered in one's passport. (See photo.)
The UK still had the death penalty despite some obvious and irreversible miscarriages of justice. In France they still executed condemned prisoners by cutting their heads off. In Spain they used strangulation.
The press and the BBC, (there was only the BBC), were not free from government interference and books, films and plays were censored. Women were paid less than men for equivalent work and landlords could turn away black and Irish people with impunity. For private acts of "gross indecency" gay men were sent to prison.
During the 1950s, six similarly devastated European countries were determined that the catastrophe of war between them should never be repeated. They decided to work towards creating a single European economy. The result was never "just a trading agreement" as some detractors now suggest. The Treaty of Rome, signed in 1957, provided for free movement of goods, services, people and capital, with the stated aim of "closer relations between the States".
The UK was invited to participate from the outset, but Prime Minister Attlee rather scornfully declined, thus missing the opportunity to influence the future development of Europe. However, by 1961 it had become obvious that the economies of "the Six", (France, West Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg), were growing faster than ours, so we applied to join. It took 9 years of negotiations, (and 2 vetoes), before terms were agreed. The United Kingdom officially joined the European Communities on 1st January 1973.
In the 1980s many of our skilled workers took advantage of the free movement of people and migrated to West Germany, whose economy had already overtaken ours. These British " migrants" were the inspiration for a popular television series, "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet".
Since 1945 there have been wars in Europe, but none between countries that were members of the European Union. Despite global economic storms, the EU's citizens in 28 independent countries enjoy greater prosperity and greater freedom of movement, freedom from discrimination, freedom from conflict, freedom to trade across borders and freedom of expression than at any time in history.
So far no country has ever applied to leave the EU. There have always been candidates to join but to succeed they must have democracy, the rule of law, a market economy and guarantees for the protection of minorities and human rights. They also need the support of ALL existing members, including us, without which they cannot join. In my opinion it would be a shame if Britain were to turn its back on Europe, give up its voice and influence, and opt for an uncertain future. So...I shall vote IN on 23rd June.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3600907/Deserters-not-welcomed-open-arms-Brussels-chief-issues-stark-threat-EU-punish-Britain-vote-leave.html

"Mr Juncker insisted that he was not making a 'threat', but made clear that a Leave vote would damage co-operation between Brussels and London."

There's absolutely no point with us having co-operation with Brussels anyway as we have no power to have any influence over their undemocratic decisions!

The sooner we vote out so we can make our own decisions to benefit ourselves in our own country, the better!