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" Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 9:11 am

If you could only keep 5 of our current squad who would they be

Based on no money for new recruits
But you could use any money brought in from sales
And the wages of players sold would remain in the budget
Plus players sold could be replaced with current squad players


So here's my choices
Peltier Connelly ralls o keefe and pilkington would be my five
Sell Marshall maximum fee of £5 million save £20 k a week
Sell manga maximum fee of £4 million save £15 k a week
Sell noone maximum fee of £1.5 million save £15 k a week
Sell whitts maximum fee of £500 k save £20 k a week
Sell Malone maximum fee of £0 save £8 k a week
Sell Doyle maximum fee of £400 /500 k save £8k a week
Sell le fondre maximum fee £0 save £ 15 k a week
Sell adeymi maximum fee £400k save £10 k a week
Sell dikgicoi maximum fee £0 save £15 k a week
That would give us approx £10 million for new players
Players needed
Goal keeper to compete with Moore = £500k maximum fee £8k week maximum wages
Left and right full backs = £ 2 million = £15k a week combined wages plus a left back on a free £8k wages ,give Declan John one last season to impress or go
Morrison ,turner,osilaja to compete to partner Connelly
Midfield playmaker/possible captain ,to play with ralls and o keefe either side in midfield three ,£2 million fee maximum wages £15 k a week
Gunnerson Tommy o Sullivan plus new a n other free signing £8k a week as back up
That leaves £5.5 million to sort the front players out
IMO we need 3/4 front men who can play wide ore through the middle a bit like pilks ,who can close down aswell as attack
Most importantly they must have pace
One must be a target type forward ,4 players on £40 k a week combined wages
Healy and Harris and Saadi must be given a full season in the first team squad to impress or be moved on
Loans for zohore and immers would also be in my plan if the budget allowed
The fees for new players in my plan has been self financed through sales

£136k a week has been cut by player sales

£94k a week wages for the new additions in my plan leaves £42 k a week wages for loans or if we still need to cut our spending to remain within the ffp rules

It's not quite so easy once you start trying to buy and pay players within budgets
Bit easy to say keep him and him and get him and him without working out the £££

Let's see others opinions


This could be a decent debate while the closed season is with us
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Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 9:22 am

most teams i think would keep the spine

City want to cut costs and reach the premier league, so culling eveyone with a fee would be counter productive.

Therefore possibly

Marshall

Connelly

Ralls

Whitts

Pilkington

I would also add o'keefe, immers, peltier and gunnarsson to keep a core to build from with youth like oshilaja, o'sullivan, john, healy, harris, james, wharton, tutonda etc

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 9:39 am

I DONT THINK WE NEED TO SELL THAT MUCH, ID SELL MARSHALL AND MANGA THATLL GET YOU ROUGHLY 9-10M,
SELL GUNNAR 1.5-2M
SELL ALFIE 1M
SELL ADEYEMI 1M
SELL MALONE 350K
SELL KENNEDY250K

THATS BETWEEN 13-15M THERE ID THEN GET IN A STRIKER A WINGER AND SIGN IMMERS ON A PERM, ID PLAY JOHN AT LEFT BACK AND FABIO RIGHTBACK COS WE DONT REALLY HAVE LIGHTNING QUICK WINGERS SO BOTH OF THEM CAN OVERLAP, WE NEED A PACY FORWARD THO, LEWIS GRABBON MAYBE OR EVEN BRING BACK CAMERON JEROME

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 9:43 am

eddiep wrote:most teams i think would keep the spine

City want to cut costs and reach the premier league, so culling eveyone with a fee would be counter productive.

Therefore possibly

Marshall

Connelly

Ralls

Whitts

Pilkington

I would also add o'keefe, immers, peltier and gunnarsson to keep a core to build from with youth like oshilaja, o'sullivan, john, healy, harris, james, wharton, tutonda etc


I agree about the need to keep the spine of the team as strong as possible but for me within our current squad the "spine" won't go beyond CM.

Marshall

Connolly

Morrison (Capt)

Ralls

O'keefe

Besides that Peltier and if we do sign him Immers with Pilkington, John, Harris and Whitts but only as a squad player. I have been Whitts biggest supporter but it's clear that his best days are behind him, well behind him, but he does bring experience and quality and money can't buy that.

I would also like too see at least 3 of our best younger players in each matchday squad, O'Sullivan, Harris, John, Healey and oshilaja ALL offer better value for money than expensive loan signings like Ameobi.

When it comes to experience I'd also go and get Super Kev back as he wouldn't cost the earth and even at 33 he is better than Malone.

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Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 10:13 am

well only 150 hits and three responces all with differing oppinions
this could be a summer saver topic that could take some of the boredom away :bluescarf: :bluebird: :ayatollah:

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 10:14 am

forgot to say thanks probably to annis for tidying up my thread :bluescarf: :bluebird: :ayatollah:

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 10:35 am

Once again the spine of the team Marshall,Morrison,Ralls,Pilkington and Whitts for his experience :thumbup:

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 11:43 am

Reza wrote:I DONT THINK WE NEED TO SELL THAT MUCH, ID SELL MARSHALL AND MANGA THATLL GET YOU ROUGHLY 9-10M,
SELL GUNNAR 1.5-2M
SELL ALFIE 1M
SELL ADEYEMI 1M
SELL MALONE 350K
SELL KENNEDY250K

THATS BETWEEN 13-15M THERE ID THEN GET IN A STRIKER A WINGER AND SIGN IMMERS ON A PERM, ID PLAY JOHN AT LEFT BACK AND FABIO RIGHTBACK COS WE DONT REALLY HAVE LIGHTNING QUICK WINGERS SO BOTH OF THEM CAN OVERLAP, WE NEED A PACY FORWARD THO, LEWIS GRABBON MAYBE OR EVEN BRING BACK CAMERON JEROME


I really hope someone pays US £1m for ALF & Adeyemi :D but getting £350k for Malone would be the greatest trick. :thumbup:

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 11:53 am

We have these debates and miss the point....If we could sell half of those at cost neutral i guess we would have.

Sell Marshall maximum fee of £5 million save £20 k a week (I agree)
Sell manga maximum fee of £4 million save £15 k a week (I agree)

Sell noone maximum fee of £1.5 million save £15 k a week (million if we are lucky, would anyone really pay him that much ?)

Sell whitts maximum fee of £500 k save £20 k a week (would he command 20K elsewhere for at least a 2 year deal, need to pay him off then)

Sell Malone maximum fee of £0 save £8 k a week (doable, youngish kid- this would work)

Sell Doyle maximum fee of £400 /500 k save £8k a week ( Can't cut it at championship level, £250K and a golden handshake)

Sell le fondre maximum fee £0 save £ 15 k a week ( Not sure he could command 15K a week, probably have to give him 250K to leave)

Sell adeymi maximum fee £400k save £10 k a week ( lucky to get 100K and would also have to pay him off)
Sell dikgicoi maximum fee £0 save £15 k a week (this could be the biggest loss, a free transfer would cost us 400K)


Gunnar or insanely Whitts are not going to move their family to a different location unless its worth it for them. They all have agents who want a slice of CCFC's pie.

Gunnar has a few years left as does Nooney, would you move clubs for less pay ?

No, nor would I.

So the question is how much would you pay Ademyemi or Macheda to leave, half their remaining contract ?

I love Whitts but we must make plans for his exit (this time next year), his replacement isn't Ralls though

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 12:11 pm

Marshal, Manga, peltier, Ralls, pilks.

First player out the door for me would be noone followed by practically every player we have put on loan bar the youth.

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 12:17 pm

I don't have 5 really, anyone on a big wage or that can demand any kind of decent fee I would let go.

Ralls is the one player who stands out who is young, talented and I wouldn't have thought on a huge wage.
Also like to see Oshilaja brought onto the squad and a higher earner defender leave.
O'Keefe a solid enough player if on a low wage as is Connolly.

I do also think Noone and Gunnerson can come good under a decent manager but that would depend on what kind of wage they are on.

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 12:36 pm

Lots more of different opinions
But the one that seems to be popular is the selling of high earners
IMO high earners don't seem to give as much commitment on the pitch as they should
A squad all earning roughly the same ,would pull together more

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 12:50 pm

troobloo3339 wrote:Lots more of different opinions
But the one that seems to be popular is the selling of high earners
IMO high earners don't seem to give as much commitment on the pitch as they should
A squad all earning roughly the same ,would pull together more


I think the main issue is for the money we are paying out in wages we don't have the quality.
Marshall and Manga most likely earn their wages however the fees they could bring in would help strengthen elsewhere.

Other players who earn a big wage just aint worth the money we pay them I don't think.

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 1:23 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Reza wrote:I DONT THINK WE NEED TO SELL THAT MUCH, ID SELL MARSHALL AND MANGA THATLL GET YOU ROUGHLY 9-10M,
SELL GUNNAR 1.5-2M
SELL ALFIE 1M
SELL ADEYEMI 1M
SELL MALONE 350K
SELL KENNEDY250K

THATS BETWEEN 13-15M THERE ID THEN GET IN A STRIKER A WINGER AND SIGN IMMERS ON A PERM, ID PLAY JOHN AT LEFT BACK AND FABIO RIGHTBACK COS WE DONT REALLY HAVE LIGHTNING QUICK WINGERS SO BOTH OF THEM CAN OVERLAP, WE NEED A PACY FORWARD THO, LEWIS GRABBON MAYBE OR EVEN BRING BACK CAMERON JEROME


I really hope someone pays US £1m for ALF & Adeyemi :D but getting £350k for Malone would be the greatest trick. :thumbup:


I THINK WE WOULD GET THAT FOR ALFIE OR AT LEAST 800K READING LOVE HIM THEY WOULD TAKE HIM BACK FOR THAT I RECKON AS FOR MALONE I THINK 350K WOULD BE HIS TOP END VALUE BUT I THINK THERE ARE TEAMS LIKE BRISTOL CITY WHO WOULD TAKE SOMEONE WITH CHAMPIONSHIP EXPERIENCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GRABBON OR JEROME THINK THEY COULD BE THE ONES TO HELP GET US VBACK ON TRACK? IF NOT ONE OF THEM WHAT ABOUT NAHKI WELLS

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 3:29 pm

Reza wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Reza wrote:I DONT THINK WE NEED TO SELL THAT MUCH, ID SELL MARSHALL AND MANGA THATLL GET YOU ROUGHLY 9-10M,
SELL GUNNAR 1.5-2M
SELL ALFIE 1M
SELL ADEYEMI 1M
SELL MALONE 350K
SELL KENNEDY250K

THATS BETWEEN 13-15M THERE ID THEN GET IN A STRIKER A WINGER AND SIGN IMMERS ON A PERM, ID PLAY JOHN AT LEFT BACK AND FABIO RIGHTBACK COS WE DONT REALLY HAVE LIGHTNING QUICK WINGERS SO BOTH OF THEM CAN OVERLAP, WE NEED A PACY FORWARD THO, LEWIS GRABBON MAYBE OR EVEN BRING BACK CAMERON JEROME


I really hope someone pays US £1m for ALF & Adeyemi :D but getting £350k for Malone would be the greatest trick. :thumbup:


I THINK WE WOULD GET THAT FOR ALFIE OR AT LEAST 800K READING LOVE HIM THEY WOULD TAKE HIM BACK FOR THAT I RECKON AS FOR MALONE I THINK 350K WOULD BE HIS TOP END VALUE BUT I THINK THERE ARE TEAMS LIKE BRISTOL CITY WHO WOULD TAKE SOMEONE WITH CHAMPIONSHIP EXPERIENCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GRABBON OR JEROME THINK THEY COULD BE THE ONES TO HELP GET US VBACK ON TRACK? IF NOT ONE OF THEM WHAT ABOUT NAHKI WELLS


Grabbon or Jerome are the kind of signings we have to avoid full stop. No more mega earners they are simply not worth money.

If I had to pick 5 players to keep it would be Ralls, John, O'Sullivan, Oshilaja and Moore. I'd happily get rid of the rest,0

Re: " Just for a bit of debate? "

Mon May 09, 2016 4:12 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Reza wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Reza wrote:I DONT THINK WE NEED TO SELL THAT MUCH, ID SELL MARSHALL AND MANGA THATLL GET YOU ROUGHLY 9-10M,
SELL GUNNAR 1.5-2M
SELL ALFIE 1M
SELL ADEYEMI 1M
SELL MALONE 350K
SELL KENNEDY250K

THATS BETWEEN 13-15M THERE ID THEN GET IN A STRIKER A WINGER AND SIGN IMMERS ON A PERM, ID PLAY JOHN AT LEFT BACK AND FABIO RIGHTBACK COS WE DONT REALLY HAVE LIGHTNING QUICK WINGERS SO BOTH OF THEM CAN OVERLAP, WE NEED A PACY FORWARD THO, LEWIS GRABBON MAYBE OR EVEN BRING BACK CAMERON JEROME


I really hope someone pays US £1m for ALF & Adeyemi :D but getting £350k for Malone would be the greatest trick. :thumbup:


I THINK WE WOULD GET THAT FOR ALFIE OR AT LEAST 800K READING LOVE HIM THEY WOULD TAKE HIM BACK FOR THAT I RECKON AS FOR MALONE I THINK 350K WOULD BE HIS TOP END VALUE BUT I THINK THERE ARE TEAMS LIKE BRISTOL CITY WHO WOULD TAKE SOMEONE WITH CHAMPIONSHIP EXPERIENCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GRABBON OR JEROME THINK THEY COULD BE THE ONES TO HELP GET US VBACK ON TRACK? IF NOT ONE OF THEM WHAT ABOUT NAHKI WELLS


Grabbon or Jerome are the kind of signings we have to avoid full stop. No more mega earners they are simply not worth money.

If I had to pick 5 players to keep it would be Ralls, John, O'Sullivan, Oshilaja and Moore. I'd happily get rid of the rest,0

Tony I'm half with you ,Connelly and o keefe always give Thier best and are not on high wages IMO only