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' THE BIG QUESTION? ? ? '

Tue May 03, 2016 5:23 am

If Slade does go, who should replace him?

By Chris Wathan

Tuesday 3rd May 2016

The decision whether to give Slade a new deal is intrinsically linked with another question.

What is the real ambition of the club next term?

Getting rid of the current manager will be viewed by many as a declaration of intent, of the club finally showing some ambition.

But it wouldn't just be about parting company with Slade. Who replaces him would be just as significant.

There are plenty of names out there as possibles for the job. The one that refuses to go away is that of Bluebirds idol, Craig Bellamy.



He is massively popular with supporters, of course, and would galvanise the fan base. But there are concerns within the club that it is too early for a man who has always expressed his desire to start at the bottom of the coaching structure.

The likes of former Leicester boss Nigel Pearson, Rangers chief Mark Warbuton, even veteran campaigner Neil Warnock have been mentioned in dispatches.

Neil Warnock has revived Rotherham. Could he take Cardiff to the next level?
Each have their plus points, but could they work as closely and harmoniously with Tan himself as Slade has managed.

Getting a personal endorsement from Tan on his appointment helped Slade.

Tan is cautious when it comes to managerial appointments. He already believes he has had his fingers burnt with Malky Mackay and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and seems more comfortable with Slade, despite many others' reservations.

It’s not a case of who might want the job if Slade goes, but who can handle the job at this point.
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Re: ' THE BIG QUESTION? ? ? '

Tue May 03, 2016 7:32 am

The decision whether to give Slade a new deal is intrinsically linked with another question.

What is the real ambition of the club next term?


This is spot on.

In fairness Slade has been excellent in stabilising the club, bringing wages and the playing squad down to a sensible level. However what happens next is key, more of the same then keep Slade (assuming he would stay*) or go for a promotion push with a new manager and the backing of Tan's** cheque book.

* personally I don't think he would want to stay given what he's had to deal with and the abuse he gets off some City fans

** if you were Tan would you throw money at a club where some supporters will never forgive you (we are still under transfer embargo)

I hope I am wrong with ** but I do fear that next season could be a bottom half finish.

Re: ' THE BIG QUESTION? ? ? '

Tue May 03, 2016 8:13 am

What Is The REAL Ambition of the Club,,,,,,? That's the BIG Issue, that's what the fans really want to know,,,,Exactly where are we going as a club???

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Tue May 03, 2016 8:34 am

If you think logically about this, "Why would Tan replace Slade"?
He has a manager in place that he appointed, he has a manager in place that he likes, he has a manager in place he can control and manipulate, he has a manager in place that only costs him about £120k a year, and he has a manager in place that got us to 7th in the championship by not buying any quality and shipping out all our best players
So why would he get rid of him?
Tan has proved he will do as Tan wants to do, he won't bow to fans pressure, as he doesn't care about the fans, fans are just comoderties.
Tan is happy where we are league wise, he's not going to get "burnt" again getting into the PL as he will see this as a step to far for our club, he wants out, he wants to sell, he doesn't want to build an empire or dinastey here.
So just ask yourselves, with all this talk of who could take over, why on earth would Tan sack the man "he" appointed just 24 months ago and replace him with a manager who would want, his own control, his own back room staff, his own players, and a lot more money for himself? :bluebird:

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Tue May 03, 2016 8:36 am

WHOEVER the manager is next season, he or she, will have a massive closed season, as all players out on loan will be returning, so not only will there be the current squad, plus bench but the loaned out, will Wolves for example buy Alfie ? will Preston buy Doyle, or will a new manager used them successfully, that pairing has to have more potential than what we have !, will some of the young players Declan John , O;Sullivan, Semi, Olijayi, Etc , who knows ???

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Tue May 03, 2016 8:49 am

Neil Ardley

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Tue May 03, 2016 8:49 am

RICK+CCFC wrote:What Is The REAL Ambition of the Club,,,,,,? That's the BIG Issue, that's what the fans really want to know,,,,Exactly where are we going as a club???


You are correct that is the big issue.

However, the answer maybe something the club doesn’t want the fans to know?

Football is in transition not just CCFC. Financial Fair Play is starting to have an impact and prudent clubs are looking to cut their cloth now, so they are in stronger positions further down the line.

Unfortunately Bournemouth found a possible loophole which involves taking a gamble in overspending and paying a pretty small fine from Premiership riches should they get promoted. It seems other clubs such as Derby & Middlesbrough have followed suit this season. I can see the Football League clamping down on that over the next few years.

It is supposition on my behalf but at this stage but I can’t for the life of me see VT taking such a gamble next season.

The more likely scenario is more cost cutting but a small transfer fund being made available. Whoever the manager is they would be expected to be shrewd in the transfer market.

If this is the direction of the club then it is highly unlikely the club would tell us directly. They are struggling to sell season tickets as it is and being that honest would only harm future sales.

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:04 am

Blueboys1927 wrote:If you think logically about this, "Why would Tan replace Slade"?
He has a manager in place that he appointed, he has a manager in place that he likes, he has a manager in place he can control and manipulate, he has a manager in place that only costs him about £120k a year, and he has a manager in place that got us to 7th in the championship by not buying any quality and shipping out all our best players
So why would he get rid of him?
Tan has proved he will do as Tan wants to do, he won't bow to fans pressure, as he doesn't care about the fans, fans are just comoderties.
Tan is happy where we are league wise, he's not going to get "burnt" again getting into the PL as he will see this as a step to far for our club, he wants out, he wants to sell, he doesn't want to build an empire or dinastey here.
So just ask yourselves, with all this talk of who could take over, why on earth would Tan sack the man "he" appointed just 24 months ago and replace him with a manager who would want, his own control, his own back room staff, his own players, and a lot more money for himself? :bluebird:


I didn't know Mr. Spock was a Bluebird :lol: Live long and prosper :geek:

Being serious it is hard to fault your logical thinking. What you are really saying is look at this from VT's perspective. Quite rightly it would be logical to assume that VT would have a leaning towards RS. As pointed out Slade has worked for him on a small salary, completed his mission to slash the wage bill by £10m+, kept the team competitive and most importantly hasn't burnt his fingers with questionable multi-million £ transfers.

As VT doesn't watch the games then he isn't affected by the standard of football or frustrating team selections and tactics.

The only thing against Slade would be the opinions of Mehmet Dalman and Ken Choo who do watch the games and apparently have some misgivings about the manager.

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:05 am

riley1951 wrote:WHOEVER the manager is next season, he or she, will have a massive closed season, as all players out on loan will be returning, so not only will there be the current squad, plus bench but the loaned out, will Wolves for example buy Alfie ? will Preston buy Doyle, or will a new manager used them successfully, that pairing has to have more potential than what we have !, will some of the young players Declan John , O;Sullivan, Semi, Olijayi, Etc , who knows ???


Correct whoever the manager is he will have a big job on his hands.

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:18 am

Clever piece of journalism this.You could put it another way.If the club don't sack Slade then they've got no ambition.But this journo won't just come out and say it because if Tan keeps Slade and he does well next season then he'll be seen as just another shit stirring journo who couldn't really give one about the club and is just looking to earn his next wage packet.

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:29 am

Blueboys1927 wrote:If you think logically about this, "Why would Tan replace Slade"?
He has a manager in place that he appointed, he has a manager in place that he likes, he has a manager in place he can control and manipulate, he has a manager in place that only costs him about £120k a year, and he has a manager in place that got us to 7th in the championship by not buying any quality and shipping out all our best players
So why would he get rid of him?
Tan has proved he will do as Tan wants to do, he won't bow to fans pressure, as he doesn't care about the fans, fans are just comoderties.
Tan is happy where we are league wise, he's not going to get "burnt" again getting into the PL as he will see this as a step to far for our club, he wants out, he wants to sell, he doesn't want to build an empire or dinastey here.
So just ask yourselves, with all this talk of who could take over, why on earth would Tan sack the man "he" appointed just 24 months ago and replace him with a manager who would want, his own control, his own back room staff, his own players, and a lot more money for himself? :bluebird:

You ask yourself a question, if Tan was so keen on renewing Slades contract why hasn't he already done so? If you're response to this is that Tan was waiting for the outcome of the playoffs, which Slade failed miserably, so logic dictates that Slade will be on his way out of the club

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Tue May 03, 2016 10:00 am

spot on the club will fall on its face if we was to bring in someone on the cheap again like we did with slade, yes hes stabalized the club and we didnt play rubbish football all year but thats as far as slade is going to take us in my opinion, the last thing we need tho is another cheap under experienced manager who might if we are lucky get us near the playoffs next season, we should be breaking the bank to get pearson and his staff that started the leicester revolution in or if not pearson warnock for me would also give us a bit of identity and get the fans behind him which is something missing at city these days

thanks for everything russ you have done a decent job but its time to move aside for someone capable of restoring us to a team we can all get behind and push for automatic promotion, pplayoffs shouldnt be the aim for a club of our size :wave:

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Tue May 03, 2016 10:08 am

angelis1949 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:If you think logically about this, "Why would Tan replace Slade"?
He has a manager in place that he appointed, he has a manager in place that he likes, he has a manager in place he can control and manipulate, he has a manager in place that only costs him about £120k a year, and he has a manager in place that got us to 7th in the championship by not buying any quality and shipping out all our best players
So why would he get rid of him?
Tan has proved he will do as Tan wants to do, he won't bow to fans pressure, as he doesn't care about the fans, fans are just comoderties.
Tan is happy where we are league wise, he's not going to get "burnt" again getting into the PL as he will see this as a step to far for our club, he wants out, he wants to sell, he doesn't want to build an empire or dinastey here.
So just ask yourselves, with all this talk of who could take over, why on earth would Tan sack the man "he" appointed just 24 months ago and replace him with a manager who would want, his own control, his own back room staff, his own players, and a lot more money for himself? :bluebird:

You ask yourself a question, if Tan was so keen on renewing Slades contract why hasn't he already done so? If you're response to this is that Tan was waiting for the outcome of the playoffs, which Slade failed miserably, so logic dictates that Slade will be on his way out of the club


There could also be other answers to that question such as Slade himself doesn't want to talk about another contract until the season is over? Slade has made cryptic comments which could be interpreted that way.

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Tue May 03, 2016 10:14 am

Reza wrote:spot on the club will fall on its face if we was to bring in someone on the cheap again like we did with slade, yes hes stabalized the club and we didnt play rubbish football all year but thats as far as slade is going to take us in my opinion, the last thing we need tho is another cheap under experienced manager who might if we are lucky get us near the playoffs next season, we should be breaking the bank to get pearson and his staff that started the leicester revolution in or if not pearson warnock for me would also give us a bit of identity and get the fans behind him which is something missing at city these days

thanks for everything russ you have done a decent job but its time to move aside for someone capable of restoring us to a team we can all get behind and push for automatic promotion, pplayoffs shouldnt be the aim for a club of our size :wave:


Can you 100% guarantee that a highly paid manager can get us to even 7th next season, never mind higher?

Harry Redknapp would fit your profile as a manager who has got promotion from the Championship previously but failed last time with QPR. I bet old Harry wasn't working for £120k pa more like £120k pw.

I can perfectly see VT's reasoning in not going down that road again.

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Tue May 03, 2016 10:19 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:What Is The REAL Ambition of the Club,,,,,,? That's the BIG Issue, that's what the fans really want to know,,,,Exactly where are we going as a club???


You are correct that is the big issue.

However, the answer maybe something the club doesn’t want the fans to know?

Football is in transition not just CCFC. Financial Fair Play is starting to have an impact and prudent clubs are looking to cut their cloth now, so they are in stronger positions further down the line.

Unfortunately Bournemouth found a possible loophole which involves taking a gamble in overspending and paying a pretty small fine from Premiership riches should they get promoted. It seems other clubs such as Derby & Middlesbrough have followed suit this season. I can see the Football League clamping down on that over the next few years.

It is supposition on my behalf but at this stage but I can’t for the life of me see VT taking such a gamble next season.

The more likely scenario is more cost cutting but a small transfer fund being made available. Whoever the manager is they would be expected to be shrewd in the transfer market.

If this is the direction of the club then it is highly unlikely the club would tell us directly. They are struggling to sell season tickets as it is and being that honest would only harm future sales.


I think that's a good summary of the way things are likely to go Tony. If we are going to continue to cut our financial cloth more sensibly it will essential that we begin to bring through players from the youth and development sides. Slade has shown beyond doubt that he is not the man to do that. To my mind that is one of the main reasons he has to go.

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Tue May 03, 2016 10:48 am

Slade will definetly be here for the foreseeable future,hes Tans man and has done exactly what was asked of him on a low wage.
Its time for a lot of players to move on though,who I feel are letting the team down. Starting with nooone ,Malone,dickachoi,whittingham(sadly) and macheda

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Tue May 03, 2016 11:46 am

englishbluebird wrote:Slade will definetly be here for the foreseeable future,hes Tans man and has done exactly what was asked of him on a low wage.
Its time for a lot of players to move on though,who I feel are letting the team down. Starting with nooone ,Malone,dickachoi,whittingham(sadly) and macheda

I think your assertion is well wide of the mark,but time will tell

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Tue May 03, 2016 11:52 am

Nemo wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:What Is The REAL Ambition of the Club,,,,,,? That's the BIG Issue, that's what the fans really want to know,,,,Exactly where are we going as a club???


You are correct that is the big issue.

However, the answer maybe something the club doesn’t want the fans to know?

Football is in transition not just CCFC. Financial Fair Play is starting to have an impact and prudent clubs are looking to cut their cloth now, so they are in stronger positions further down the line.

Unfortunately Bournemouth found a possible loophole which involves taking a gamble in overspending and paying a pretty small fine from Premiership riches should they get promoted. It seems other clubs such as Derby & Middlesbrough have followed suit this season. I can see the Football League clamping down on that over the next few years.

It is supposition on my behalf but at this stage but I can’t for the life of me see VT taking such a gamble next season.

The more likely scenario is more cost cutting but a small transfer fund being made available. Whoever the manager is they would be expected to be shrewd in the transfer market.

If this is the direction of the club then it is highly unlikely the club would tell us directly. They are struggling to sell season tickets as it is and being that honest would only harm future sales.


I think that's a good summary of the way things are likely to go Tony. If we are going to continue to cut our financial cloth more sensibly it will essential that we begin to bring through players from the youth and development sides. Slade has shown beyond doubt that he is not the man to do that. To my mind that is one of the main reasons he has to go.


I agree if things go the way I feel they will then any new manager will have to look at bringing in players from the development side due to more cost cutting.

Slade has only promoted Ralls so far from the U21's so if he does stay then he will have a big job on his hands.

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Tue May 03, 2016 12:03 pm

englishbluebird wrote:Slade will definetly be here for the foreseeable future,hes Tans man and has done exactly what was asked of him on a low wage.
Its time for a lot of players to move on though,who I feel are letting the team down. Starting with nooone ,Malone,dickachoi,whittingham(sadly) and macheda


The problem is that, with the exception of Noone, who will be out of contract this Summer (i think) all the rest have at least one more year left to run. the same applies to most, if not all the players we currently have out on loan. Combine the cost of all those players, & its staggering, to say the least.

Personally, apart from Whittingham, I would be happy to see them all go tomorrow, & so would, I suspect, VT & RS.

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Tue May 03, 2016 4:25 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:If you think logically about this, "Why would Tan replace Slade"?
He has a manager in place that he appointed, he has a manager in place that he likes, he has a manager in place he can control and manipulate, he has a manager in place that only costs him about £120k a year, and he has a manager in place that got us to 7th in the championship by not buying any quality and shipping out all our best players
So why would he get rid of him?
Tan has proved he will do as Tan wants to do, he won't bow to fans pressure, as he doesn't care about the fans, fans are just comoderties.
Tan is happy where we are league wise, he's not going to get "burnt" again getting into the PL as he will see this as a step to far for our club, he wants out, he wants to sell, he doesn't want to build an empire or dinastey here.
So just ask yourselves, with all this talk of who could take over, why on earth would Tan sack the man "he" appointed just 24 months ago and replace him with a manager who would want, his own control, his own back room staff, his own players, and a lot more money for himself? :bluebird:

You ask yourself a question, if Tan was so keen on renewing Slades contract why hasn't he already done so? If you're response to this is that Tan was waiting for the outcome of the playoffs, which Slade failed miserably, so logic dictates that Slade will be on his way out of the club


.... There is another logical scenario: If promoted, Slade goes (something to be said for it). But promotion is off, so therefore Slade stays. Food for thought??

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Tue May 03, 2016 4:59 pm

Tan wants everything done on the cheap so Slade is the ideal one to keep.

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Tue May 03, 2016 5:09 pm

StotrhonddaBlue wrote:Neil Ardley


Good shout :thumbup:

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Tue May 03, 2016 7:09 pm

I wonder who the emperor will pick next? hmmmmmmm

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Tue May 03, 2016 7:12 pm

Neil Warnock, Bellamy, in fact I would be happy with Micky Fooking Mouse as long as it ain't old Baldy :thumbup:

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Tue May 03, 2016 7:17 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:Neil Warnock, Bellamy, in fact I would be happy with Micky Fooking Mouse as long as it ain't old Baldy :thumbup:


What has baldy won in 760 games ............ 0

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:07 pm

erinsown wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Neil Warnock, Bellamy, in fact I would be happy with Micky Fooking Mouse as long as it ain't old Baldy :thumbup:


What has baldy won in 760 games ............ 0

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.Oh he had a bad day at the office last weekend :laughing6:

Re: ' THE BIG QUESTION? ? ? '

Tue May 03, 2016 9:38 pm

On 27 minutes we should all clap and sing cheerio to Slade :sladeout: :sladeout:

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:46 pm

Brianclark5 wrote:On 27 minutes we should all clap and sing cheerio to Slade :sladeout: :sladeout:


That's if Slade is really going otherwise you're going to look like a right tit.

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Tue May 03, 2016 9:53 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:Tan wants everything done on the cheap so Slade is the ideal one to keep.


Agree -

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Wed May 04, 2016 6:30 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:Tan wants everything done on the cheap so Slade is the ideal one to keep.


Agree -

I want a cheap Car Tony but even I would draw the line on the Robin Reliant :laughing6: