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Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:30 pm
A Sky Data poll carried out today suggests 66% of people would support nationalising the UK's steel industry.
Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:02 pm
Santa Ponsa Blue wrote:A Sky Data poll carried out today suggests 66% of people would support nationalising the UK's steel industry.
....and then we'd be paying for it through the nose.
We can't compete with steel producers from abroad I'm afraid.
I do feel that steel workers should have had some sort of re-training for another career, years ago in readiness for this inevitable result.
Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:13 pm
Look it really is simple, stop all imports of steel to the uk, export to all countries that need steel. We can be more competative when the only steel available to the uk is produced in the uk, companies that pay the imported prices will get their steel for the same price roughly, that does not cost the taxpayer anything. Do you know what is stopping us doing that, The EU, so exit and we are on our way, although, Germany and others have protected their steel companies, know how? by breaking EU rules. protectionism its called
Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:17 pm
Igovernor wrote:Look it really is simple, stop all imports of steel to the uk, export to all countries that need steel. We can be more competative when the only steel available to the uk is produced in the uk, companies that pay the imported prices will get their steel for the same price roughly, that does not cost the taxpayer anything. Do you know what is stopping us doing that, The EU, so exit and we are on our way, although, Germany and others have protected their steel companies, know how? by breaking EU rules. protectionism its called

Sounds good, mate. If it's that simple, why do you think we aren't doing it
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:03 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Igovernor wrote:Look it really is simple, stop all imports of steel to the uk, export to all countries that need steel. We can be more competative when the only steel available to the uk is produced in the uk, companies that pay the imported prices will get their steel for the same price roughly, that does not cost the taxpayer anything. Do you know what is stopping us doing that, The EU, so exit and we are on our way, although, Germany and others have protected their steel companies, know how? by breaking EU rules. protectionism its called

Sounds good, mate. If it's that simple, why do you think we aren't doing it
Because our leaders are useless! ! This goes on in nearly all industries only our country bows to euro laws just like human rights laws
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:18 pm
And if we no longer have a steel industry in the uk do you not think we would be "paying through the nose" for it in the future? Oh yes just like fuel & energy prices!!!
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:21 pm
Igovernor wrote:Look it really is simple, stop all imports of steel to the uk, export to all countries that need steel. We can be more competative when the only steel available to the uk is produced in the uk, companies that pay the imported prices will get their steel for the same price roughly, that does not cost the taxpayer anything. Do you know what is stopping us doing that, The EU, so exit and we are on our way, although, Germany and others have protected their steel companies, know how? by breaking EU rules. protectionism its called

So the EU is not the problem - it's the UK government?
If everyone else can protect their steel industries so can the UK
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/st ... es-6671639
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:29 pm
It now seems that china is going to slap a 46% import tariff on steel from ORB works in newport, which is part of the TATA/COGENT group!!! Level playing field. Don't make me laugh.
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:31 pm
BLUE54 wrote:And if we no longer have a steel industry in the uk do you not think we would be "paying through the nose" for it in the future? Oh yes just like fuel & energy prices!!!
What sort of fuel and energy prices do u reckon we'd be paying if we were relying on British industry?? That's if we weren't being held to ransom by strikes.
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:42 pm
The point is we have NO control over them as they are owned by overseas owners EON, EFG etc. They have reduced recently yes, but by a relatively small amount (5%). Do you forget the 9&,11% & 15% increases in the previous couple of years? Just wait until they are able to increase them. We will have NO control as was proved during those times. Do you not believe steel prices will increase for us in the future if we have NO steel industry in this country? I'm not saying re-nationalisation is the answer, but I think the government must act to protect this industry as once these plants are closed, they will never re-open.
Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:43 pm
Sorry EDF not EFG.
Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:47 am
Its a shame that's jobs will bo lost. On the other hand being a son of a miner. The steel industry didn't stick up for the miners when we were going through hardship and were even smirking walking through picket lines. You reap what you sow.
Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:58 am
How dare you, and may I say what a despicable attitude from you regarding your quote at the end. Firstly, most of these people under threat now, were not even born when the miners strike was in force. Secondly, many steel workers who were left with jobs at the time, had family and friends who worked for the mining industry. Much help was given to the miners by the steel workers in the form of help to support the families to survive. YES survive. Also many of the steel workwers actually went on picket lines in support of the miners. You see, just 4 years earlier the Thatcher government hit the steel workers first and decimated that industry then. The steelworkers were also on strike for 13 weeks, but received very little support from most. The miners of course supported them as best they could, but did not realise what was to come in 4 years. To say the steel workers laughed at the miners is totally out of order.
Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:18 am
We had a tri alliance when the steel workers went on strike in 1980 and we (miners) were ready to support the steelworkers but they agreed a deal and went back to work. We were on strike in 1981, no support from steelworkers! In 1984/85 there was very little support from the steelworkers, that's all we were asking was not to fill those lorries with Coke, what did they do? Fill them. So let's get the facts right in the first instance. Port talbot is my town and fully support them in their fight to save jobs and fully support nationalising the steel industry, but don't go on about support from steelworkers, they did not support us but that is a different issue than what they are facing now and I for one have e mailed my mp to nationalise and save steel making in the uk
Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:29 am
Don't paint everyone with the same broad brush. I knew many steelworkers who fully supported the miners, and did whatever they could to help. My points mainly were it is out of order for a statement of "you reap what you sow" & these people in trouble now were nothing to do with the miners/steelworkers strike.
Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:22 am
Neath Bluebird wrote:We had a tri alliance when the steel workers went on strike in 1980 and we (miners) were ready to support the steelworkers but they agreed a deal and went back to work. We were on strike in 1981, no support from steelworkers! In 1984/85 there was very little support from the steelworkers, that's all we were asking was not to fill those lorries with Coke, what did they do? Fill them. So let's get the facts right in the first instance. Port talbot is my town and fully support them in their fight to save jobs and fully support nationalising the steel industry, but don't go on about support from steelworkers, they did not support us but that is a different issue than what they are facing now and I for one have e mailed my mp to nationalise and save steel making in the uk
Great post
Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:27 am
BLUE54 wrote:How dare you, and may I say what a despicable attitude from you regarding your quote at the end. Firstly, most of these people under threat now, were not even born when the miners strike was in force. Secondly, many steel workers who were left with jobs at the time, had family and friends who worked for the mining industry. Much help was given to the miners by the steel workers in the form of help to support the families to survive. YES survive. Also many of the steel workwers actually went on picket lines in support of the miners. You see, just 4 years earlier the Thatcher government hit the steel workers first and decimated that industry then. The steelworkers were also on strike for 13 weeks, but received very little support from most. The miners of course supported them as best they could, but did not realise what was to come in 4 years. To say the steel workers laughed at the miners is totally out of order.
There was a tri alliance with the steel workers but because they had their deal sorted they went back to work. They should have stuck with the miners to bring the government down. So they do reap what they sow. Now the miners have gone, they have no support from the miners. Remember the words aptly for the Euros - STRONGER TOGETHER.
Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:52 am
Neath Bluebird wrote:We had a tri alliance when the steel workers went on strike in 1980 and we (miners) were ready to support the steelworkers but they agreed a deal and went back to work. We were on strike in 1981, no support from steelworkers! In 1984/85 there was very little support from the steelworkers, that's all we were asking was not to fill those lorries with Coke, what did they do? Fill them. So let's get the facts right in the first instance. Port talbot is my town and fully support them in their fight to save jobs and fully support nationalising the steel industry, but don't go on about support from steelworkers, they did not support us but that is a different issue than what they are facing now and I for one have e mailed my mp to nationalise and save steel making in the uk
At the time of the miners strike it was hard for other Union's to offer direct support due to the laws passed by the Thatcher Government. If for example the Steelworkers had refused to load the coke lorries not only could they been sacked but the Steel Union would have had it's assets frozen rendering it inept.
Many other individual Union members offered financial support and I can remember weekly collections at the Royal Mail sorting office I worked in at the time.
However, the Miners shot themselves in the foot because they never held a secret ballot and that was a stick they were beaten with time and again.
All that said 30 years on and Arthur Scargill has been proven right. He stated that if the Miners were beaten then that would signal the end of British Manufacturing and this weeks news is simply more vindication.
Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:40 am
Agree tony, but you know full well coming from South Wales and following ccfc, everything we have, we've had to fight for. Trade union laws brought in by that f*cking bitch was only to suppress workers, the same thing has happened to us city fans, we just get shepherded as if we are animals, sometimes you have to stand up and be counted, we certainly have over the years!
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