STEEL WORKS!

Solution
The govermenent nationalize port talbot and all the other plants in the UK, we can only do this if we leave the EU, as they forbid it
secondly after leaving the eu, we ban all imports of steel, except from countries that we export too but India no imports!
Stop all aid to india, they are far richer than us, see what they spend on their space program, and all that extra money can be used for to help the elderly in this country, who are treated worse that prisoners
Tata have had enough of our money in subsidies, lets just force an order on them nationlize and kick them out

“Here is some food for thought…We should place the elderly in prisons. They will get a shower a day, video surveillance in case of problems, three hot meals a day, access to a library, computer, TV, gym, doctor on-site, free medication if needed. We should put criminals in nursing homes. They have cold meals, lights off at 7pm, two showers a week, live in a smaller room and pay rent at £1750 a month!!! It’s pretty sad that we treat prisoners better than the elderly.”

Solution
The govermenent nationalize port talbot and all the other plants in the UK, we can only do this if we leave the EU, as they forbid it
secondly after leaving the eu, we ban all imports of steel, except from countries that we export too but India no imports!
Stop all aid to india, they are far richer than us, see what they spend on their space program, and all that extra money can be used for to help the elderly in this country, who are treated worse that prisoners
Tata have had enough of our money in subsidies, lets just force a order on them nationlise and kick them out

“Here is some food for thought…We should place the elderly in prisons. They will get a shower a day, video surveillance in case of problems, three hot meals a day, access to a library, computer, TV, gym, doctor on-site, free medication if needed. We should put criminals in nursing homes. They have cold meals, lights off at 7pm, two showers a week, live in a smaller room and pay rent at £1750 a month!!! It’s pretty sad that we treat prisoners better than the elderly.”

Agree ban most foreign aid

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

Some of us are actually old enough to remember first hand the decimation cause by the closure of the steel works in East Mores and in particular Ebbw vale,though I have to agree I can't see any future for them.Its the same with coal.I live in Senghenydd and have spoken to many ex-miners who say that theres enough coal still underground to last us for generations,but we can't afford to get it out.

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

HS2 is already costing a fortune and is likely to get even more expensive, making it with British steel will just add to the costs significantly. Remember Wez we are paying for this through taxes. Anyway i'm against HS2, it's pointless and very expensive and will make the journey quicker by what, ten minutes?

Energy costs could be looked at but we need to leave the EU before significant cost changes can be made.

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

HS2 is already costing a fortune and is likely to get even more expensive, making it with British steel will just add to the costs significantly. Remember Wez we are paying for this through taxes. Anyway i'm against HS2, it's pointless and very expensive and will make the journey quicker by what, ten minutes?

Energy costs could be looked at but we need to leave the EU before significant cost changes can be made.

I think it's wrong that our navy are getting steel from Norway instead of this country

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES IF YOU DONT YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT! DO YOU THINK THE STEEL WILL STILL BE CHEAP ONCE WE CANNOT PRODUCE IT OUR SELVES. THE PRICE OF EVERY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WILL ROCKET, THIS WILL THEN COST US MORE IN TAXES. ONCE AGAIN, BELLEND!

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES IF YOU DONT YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT! DO YOU THINK THE STEEL WILL STILL BE CHEAP ONCE WE CANNOT PRODUCE IT OUR SELVES. THE PRICE OF EVERY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WILL ROCKET, THIS WILL THEN COST US MORE IN TAXES. ONCE AGAIN, BELLEND!

Steel won't always be this cheap but it will be damn sight cheaper than nationalising a flailing industry which is hemmoraging money. The government don't want to nationalise it for the long term, if we nationalise it and prices rise around the world and we find a buyer won't the Chinese just dump steel here again, starting the cycle off once more.

Take a pay cut, that would save money. Oh wait you've battled for higher wages many times.

Have to agree with 1948 whilst everyone will be sad to see the end of the British steel industry it's simply not sustainable and transferring it to government hands won't make a blind bit of difference but to add to national debt

As for the guy that said taxes will go up if we don't produce our own on what planet do you live?

Why would our taxes increase due to less britistch production?

You do realise we import 98% of our steel as it stands each year!! The 0.2% extra we will need to import is not going to increase our taxes

I would love steel to continue and even grow here but we simply cannot compete on price, add to that the rapid price fall in steel overall and we are even further behind

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES IF YOU DONT YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT! DO YOU THINK THE STEEL WILL STILL BE CHEAP ONCE WE CANNOT PRODUCE IT OUR SELVES. THE PRICE OF EVERY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WILL ROCKET, THIS WILL THEN COST US MORE IN TAXES. ONCE AGAIN, BELLEND!

Our steel is 98% imported so unless the price of steel somehow rockets across the globe this is not going to affect us in the slightest

we could let the industry collapse, have higher prices for everything. steel wont always be cheap. china and russia are collapsing the uk steel industry on purpose to maximise their profits. we could also spend 10 billion pound of taxpayers money cleaning up the numerous sites across the uk? and have maybe 40,000 extra people claiming benefits?

regarding your comment about our wages. we have not had a pay rise in over 4 years. we have had our bonuses completely taken off us, our terms and conditions have been savaged. so yess we have taken numerous pay cuts over the years!

I don't know where all this fighting for higher wages is coming from. The wage increases have not been any higher than inflation and as mentioned bonuses have been diminished even before the loss making. 30 years ago the steel industry was in the higher pay brackets but other jobs have caught up. My hourly rate is not much different to friends of mine but they don't have the pleasure of working bank holidays weekends and Christmas.

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

HS2 is already costing a fortune and is likely to get even more expensive, making it with British steel will just add to the costs significantly. Remember Wez we are paying for this through taxes. Anyway i'm against HS2, it's pointless and very expensive and will make the journey quicker by what, ten minutes?

Energy costs could be looked at but we need to leave the EU before significant cost changes can be made.

I think it's wrong that our navy are getting steel from Norway instead of this country

Both the new aircraft carriers were built with British steel.

The biggest problem is TATA steel has 2 products long product and rolled product.

It's long product division is making money, that's why the plant's in England are already in talks to be taken over soon.

Rolled products on the other hand is losing money hand over fist, Port Talbot alone is losing a million a day, I can't see anyone wanting to buy this side of the company.

Port Talbot is now in direct competition with TATAs plants in the Netherlands which make the same products and make a profit.

Back at the start of this decade all the talk from the politicians was about 'rebalancing our economy'

Basically the penny had finally dropped that we can't pay our way in the world simply by providing 'services' we also need to manufacture goods.

Just over half way through the decade and a massive and important British Manufacturing industry hits the buffers and the Government runs away.

If they can make steel profitably in Holland then they can do it here in Britain the only difference is the Dutch Government is willing to help their industry whilst ours is happy to see it crash and burn.

As an ex steel worker who lost his job in 2002, when they stopped steel production at Llanwern. We had no support off Port Talbot did they rejoyced as they where safe. Also my home town works Ebbw Vale closed in 2002 there was no campaign to nationalise steel then. Trostre works sent a coil to Ebbw Vale with a note attached you are the weakest link goodbye. Now they want people to support them not a chance you sow what you reap. You can have what we had in 2002

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

HS2 is already costing a fortune and is likely to get even more expensive, making it with British steel will just add to the costs significantly. Remember Wez we are paying for this through taxes. Anyway i'm against HS2, it's pointless and very expensive and will make the journey quicker by what, ten minutes?

Energy costs could be looked at but we need to leave the EU before significant cost changes can be made.

I think it's wrong that our navy are getting steel from Norway instead of this country

Both the new aircraft carriers were built with British steel.

Are you sure ?

Politics doesn't usually have a place on a football forum but being as it is a local issue, I'll contribute.

The EU has pointed out Britains repeated rejection of an EU tariff on imported Chinese Steel, no doubt somehow connected to the crazy nuclear deal Osborn made with the Chinese to allow them to own a nuclear power plant in the UK.

The EU has nothing to do with the Steel Industry crisis in the UK - it is down to our Government who would have know that this is an inevitable outcome of their dealings with China for a long time - are they on the steel workers side? Are they f**k.

I am a big Euro Sceptic, there are many issues which need to be addressed when we vote to stay in June (there is no way that we are leaving). But it is blindingly obvious that there are serious issues in our own back yard which need to be rectified before we think about going alone. We can't blame everything on the EU and certainly not this discrace!

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

HS2 is already costing a fortune and is likely to get even more expensive, making it with British steel will just add to the costs significantly. Remember Wez we are paying for this through taxes. Anyway i'm against HS2, it's pointless and very expensive and will make the journey quicker by what, ten minutes?

Energy costs could be looked at but we need to leave the EU before significant cost changes can be made.

I think it's wrong that our navy are getting steel from Norway instead of this country

Both the new aircraft carriers were built with British steel.

Are you sure ?

77,000 tonnes of British steel was used to build both of them.. That's 94% of the steel used.

[quote="Ebbw Blue"]As an ex steel worker who lost his job in 2002, when they stopped steel production at Llanwern. We had no support off Port Talbot did they rejoyced as they where safe. Also my home town works Ebbw Vale closed in 2002 there was no campaign to nationalise steel then. Trostre works sent a coil to Ebbw Vale with a note attached you are the weakest link goodbye. Now they want people to support them not a chance you sow what you reap. You can have what we had in 2002[/quote

the boys in port Talbot who work alongside many ex Llanwern and Ebbw Vale boys have never taken any pleasure from the demise of other areas steel plants and have been nothing more than welcoming to us steel working nomads.
There might have been a lack of collective support between all former works back in 2002 but no one takes pleasure in anyone's livelihood being greatly affected just a relief it's not them at that time.
A lot of the people who will now reap what they sow as you say include approx 300 plus from Ebbw Vale who now make their living in Trostre and port Talbot.

As an ex steel worker who lost his job in 2002, when they stopped steel production at Llanwern. We had no support off Port Talbot did they rejoyced as they where safe. Also my home town works Ebbw Vale closed in 2002 there was no campaign to nationalise steel then. Trostre works sent a coil to Ebbw Vale with a note attached you are the weakest link goodbye. Now they want people to support them not a chance you sow what you reap. You can have what we had in 2002

Port talbot rejoiced? What planet are you on!? Half of you lot came to port talbot and some to tostre. How anyone can say tough luck get on with it is a disgrace. The U.K. Government have known for years about China and its influence yet have done nothing. You only have to look at the MOD tank contract that is being made made in Merthyr, yet the steel is coming from Sweden! You can say steel is cheaper so why not buy it, but why is it cheaper is the question you want to ask yourself. There is procedures and standards/grades on British steel, certification and testing is non existent on the Chinese crap. If only you could see some of the crap I've dealt with from China you'd understand. A part of me hopes we lose our steel industry, just to prove to people how good it was!

I know someone in Port talbot who was relieved when Llanwern heavy end closed. I think that the finishing ends may survive, but Blast looks doomed.

Funnily enough, I worked on the CAP Line when they built it in 97', and one British steel guy said they wont be producing slab here in twenty years - he's almost spot on.

There's no solution as that c**t David Cameron arse is stitched tight and now plates the EU star fish. The Eu and Cameron will see your jobs go Don't forget to vote 'In' as by leaving will cost your jobs

Just a thought for those of you worried about the wages of the tata guys. Port Talbot is apparently losing £1,000,000 a day. Workers at Port Talbot earning say an average of £35,000 a year. That's 365 days @ £96 per day, multiplied by 4000 employees, which equals £384,000. So even if all of them worked for nothing, the loss is still £636,000 per day. Yes, a reduction in salaries would obviously reduce the losses, but let's not run away with the idea that it's " high salaries" are the cause.

Sorry £616,000. Still along way short of £1,000,000 a day.

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

I think your wrong British steel has got a future if we started to produce our own steel for projects like hs2 and updating our navy etc I think that energy for these big plants need to be look at to

HS2 is already costing a fortune and is likely to get even more expensive, making it with British steel will just add to the costs significantly. Remember Wez we are paying for this through taxes. Anyway i'm against HS2, it's pointless and very expensive and will make the journey quicker by what, ten minutes?

Energy costs could be looked at but we need to leave the EU before significant cost changes can be made.

I think it's wrong that our navy are getting steel from Norway instead of this country

Both the new aircraft carriers were built with British steel.

Some of it was imported. The problems are Chinese over production, energy costs are twice what Germany or Holland are paying, producing too much rebar for the construction industry and not enough hi spec steel. I have mates working in Port Talbot and fear the worst.

Against nationalising it totally, do you want to pay more taxes? It's losing a million a day. Do you buy British made products only? What car do you drive? We as a country have bought cheap products made in China and the far east for decades, British steel cannot compete.

The steel workers don't want a pay cut, in fact they fought for more pay which means that British steel will further still be unable to compete with cheap imports. I'm not going to be a hypocrite like many on here and say "it's a bloody disgrace" when I have been buying cheap steel products for years because British made is so much more expensive. The government cannot change our retail habits.

British steel has no future, there are no solutions to save it.

YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES IF YOU DONT YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT! DO YOU THINK THE STEEL WILL STILL BE CHEAP ONCE WE CANNOT PRODUCE IT OUR SELVES. THE PRICE OF EVERY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WILL ROCKET, THIS WILL THEN COST US MORE IN TAXES. ONCE AGAIN, BELLEND!

Steel won't always be this cheap but it will be damn sight cheaper than nationalising a flailing industry which is hemmoraging money. The government don't want to nationalise it for the long term, if we nationalise it and prices rise around the world and we find a buyer won't the Chinese just dump steel here again, starting the cycle off once more.

Take a pay cut, that would save money. Oh wait you've battled for higher wages many times.

What would be the cheapest then, the £846billion pounds the Labour government spent to save the banks, or the amount of money it would take to save the Steel Industry in the uk, bearing in mind that the steel industry is losing £1m a day, it would take 846 billion days to keep the industry going.

As an ex steel worker who lost his job in 2002, when they stopped steel production at Llanwern. We had no support off Port Talbot did they rejoyced as they where safe. Also my home town works Ebbw Vale closed in 2002 there was no campaign to nationalise steel then. Trostre works sent a coil to Ebbw Vale with a note attached you are the weakest link goodbye. Now they want people to support them not a chance you sow what you reap. You can have what we had in 2002

I was listening to Radio Wales yesterday. An ex miner from Merthyr text the show and said that in 84 when he and his colleagues were picketing the steel works the coal still went through and they showed no solidarity with them, he ended the text with "What goes around comes around".

As an ex steel worker who lost his job in 2002, when they stopped steel production at Llanwern. We had no support off Port Talbot did they rejoyced as they where safe. Also my home town works Ebbw Vale closed in 2002 there was no campaign to nationalise steel then. Trostre works sent a coil to Ebbw Vale with a note attached you are the weakest link goodbye. Now they want people to support them not a chance you sow what you reap. You can have what we had in 2002

I was listening to Radio Wales yesterday. An ex miner from Merthyr text the show and said that in 84 when he and his colleagues were picketing the steel works the coal still went through and they showed no solidarity with them, he ended the text with "What goes around comes around".

well these must be sad pathetic people, willing to see young families lose their houses, livelihoods and have no way to provide for their children! seems a few people have a chip on their shoulders. many of the people losing their jobs were not even born back then. it seems that the older generation have a problem, it would be a different story if they took your pension off you!