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So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:59 am

Taken from The Other Bob Wilsons Blog. :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Sunday 6th March 2016

Right from the start, the talk coming out of the club has been that the target for 15/16 is a top six finish. To my knowledge, no one has talked about automatic promotion, but the manager, players, CEO and owner have made it clear that they see us competing in the end of season Play Offs as a realistic objective, with the obvious implication behind that to me being that if we don’t make it into positions three to six on May 7, they have to see the season as a failure.

For my part, it’s never felt like a season where we would go into our final match with Birmingham either assured of a top six finish or with it still up for grabs – we’ve been good enough for a top ten, possibly top eight, finish, but top six? No, not for me.

Back in September, we went into a home match with Hull City in second place on the back of an unbeaten first six games and, despite losing on the night, played well only to suffer at the hands of a truly atrocious referee and, it must be said, the sort of streetwise defending we showed in winning this league three years ago.

However, even then, the football we were playing was, largely, reminiscent of the miserable stuff which typified our 14/15 campaign – we still looked well short in terms of creativity from open play and the notion that I would go home from a game having felt I’d been entertained was still laughable.

That changed in November, when we turned into a more attack minded team which began a gradual transformation away from being almost completely reliant on set piece goals to one which has not scored from a corner or cross from an attacking free kick since Sean Morrison’s header against Burnley nearly four months ago.

Lex Immers celebrates after putting us ahead after half an hour yesterday. This was the Dutchman's third goal in five starts for City, but, given his scoring record at Feyenoord, this isn't altogether surprising - what is for me is the perceptiveness of his passing and the intelligence of his all round play from someone who, to be frank, was ridiculed by some Dutch fans when we signed him.*
Lex Immers celebrates after putting us ahead after half an hour yesterday. This was the Dutchman’s third goal in five starts for City, but, given his scoring record at Feyenoord, this isn’t altogether surprising – what has caught my attention is the perceptiveness of passing and intelligence of his all round play from someone who, to be frank, was ridiculed by some Dutch fans when we signed him.*

We’d been pretty inconsistent during what I called our worthy but dull phase in the autumn, but, if anything, we became more so during the winter as improvements at one end of the pitch were at the expense of what had been a pretty mean defensive record.

Nothing exemplified this inconsistency more than the team’s inability to win consecutive matches since before that game with Hull – there were other reasons why I didn’t regard us as a top six side, but any outfit looking to make up a points deficit on it’s rivals was simply never going to achieve their aim at the end of the season if they couldn’t follow up one win with another!

So, while I was certainly grateful that season 15/16 had seen an upturn in results, while also being so much more watchable than the previous one, I’d spent the first six and a half months of the campaign believing that it certainly wasn’t going to end in us contesting the Play Offs – now I’m not so sure!

The Brighton game a fortnight ago allowed the first inklings that I may have been being too negative in my prognosis on the team’s likely finishing position to take hold. They didn’t completely disappear either when, typically, we lost a few days later at Middlesbrough because the televised 4-1 win over the Seagulls had offered the hint that we had the potential to reach levels of play that I hadn’t thought us capable of.

Last weekend’s win over an in form Preston side didn’t see us reach the heights we had against Brighton, but it still struck me as a significant victory because we battled through against the sort of opponent we were chucking away winning positions against before Christmas.

Now, after yesterday lunchtime’s very satisfying and efficient 2-0 win over Bristol City at Ashton Gate, we finally have consecutive wins and the gap to sixth place, which had been between anything between three and six points for the last couple of months, has narrowed to just goal difference.

With two months and eleven games of the regular season to go, it cannot be denied now that we are genuine Play Off contenders – that’s not to say we are going to secure that top six finish, but I reckon, all of a sudden, supporters of clubs like Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham and Ipswich are casting a far more wary eye over us than they had been doing between October and February.

Although I daresay there will be cautious words from all of the current top four that nothing is guaranteed yet, it’s going to take a collapse even greater that the one which overcame Derby last season for one of Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull and Brighton not to be either celebrating automatic promotion or fretting about their Play Off chances come early May – in essence, the rest are just chasing two Play Off places.

That being the case, how many teams can be classed as genuine challengers for that pair of top six spots? Well, while I’m sure fans of clubs outside the current top ten will still cherish hopes that they can come with a late run to extend their season beyond early May, all of the evidence of the first three quarters of the campaign says that they don’t have it in them to do so.

Having seen Preston recently and looking at their poor scoring record, I don’t think they have the firepower to overhaul at least four of the teams immediately above them, but, the fact that we were five points short of sixth place only nine days ago tells you that the Lancashire team have every right to consider themselves contenders despite my misgivings.

I make it that it’s any two from six then and, leaving us aside for now, I’d say the candidates fall into two categories.

On the one hand, we have a couple of “moneybags” teams and on the other, we have three outfits whose squads don’t, on the face of it, strike you as ones that should be in contention to be playing Premier League football in five months time.

Taking the clubs trying to buy their way to promotion first. I find Derby County fascinating. I’ve mentioned the way they blew up last season and it shouldn’t be forgotten that they were, very unluckily, beaten in the Play Off Final two years ago as well. Put that with all of the money they’ve spent since last summer and you have a club where expectation levels are stifling, as exemplified by the sacking of Paul Clement a few weeks back.

Frankly, the claims about promotion not being the target at Derby this season we heard when Clement was dismissed sounded ludicrous. Surely, the truth has to be that they can expect FFP sanctions next season if they are not promoted, so it will, in all likelihood, be even harder for them to manage to go up in 16/17 than they’ve found it in the last three seasons. With Will Hughes, seemingly, not far short of a first team return to bolster their midfield, Derby have the best squad out of the six contenders, but, leaving their disastrous fade out last season aside, they’ve had two spells during this campaign when they found winning very hard, so who’s to say they won’t have another one – they’re a lot more fragile than they should be.

Sheffield Wednesday have been one of the best sides to come to Cardiff City Stadium this season in my opinion and have moved up a level from previous years, but their improvement has come on the back of the sort of spending which the rules will make it virtually impossible to repeat next year if they don’t go up. Wednesday were big spenders before the permanent signing of Gary Hooper and the arrival on loan of Aiden McGeady in January and the irony is that their current four game winless run has it’s roots in a lack of goals – they’ve scored once in that time and, although they’re not at the Derby level when it comes to expectations, it could be significant that they are finding it hard since they started being widely talked of as top six certainties about a month ago.

Preston, Ipswich and Birmingham all fall into the second category I mentioned. I’ve already spoken about the first of them, while the advantage the second named have over the other two is that they have form when it comes to emerging from a clutch of challengers to clinch a top six finish.

I saw a lot of Ipswich on the television last season and was initially surprised to see them doing so well, but then I grew to have a grudging admiration for their work rate, functionality and spirit – having the division’s top scorer in their ranks helped as well! I’ve seen less of this season’s Ipswich, but, apart from their goals being shared around more as Darrel Murphy reverts to his normal scoring rate, I doubt it if they’ve changed that much.

In a way, I look at Birmingham like I did Ipswich early last season and wonder what they are doing so high in the table, but that’s a mistake. They’ve been getting good results at this level for more than fifteen months now and have that togetherness that is so important in this league in abundance – I’d say you under estimate them at your peril.

Although Birmingham spent their biggest fee in five years when they signed Italian international Diego Fabbrini from Watford in January, what unites them, Ipswich and Preston is that they are all at the more modest end of the table when it comes to spending levels, therefore it has to reflect greatly on managers Gary Rowett, Mick McCarthy and Simon Grayson that they can have supporters dreaming of possible top flight football while their clubs labour under this, apparent, handicap.

This brings us on to Cardiff City and Russell Slade. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there is a perception among some fans of other clubs in the Championship that we should still be lumped in with the Derby’s and Sheffield Wednesday’s rather than the Preston’s, Ipswich’s and Birmingham’s of this world – especially given our current embargo.

However, all City supporters know such days are long gone and, getting towards a year and a half into the job, Russell Slade has spent less than Rowett and, possibly, McCarthy in that time. Therefore, if the three managers I’ve mentioned at other clubs are, rightly, praised for the the job they are doing, shouldn’t it follow that our manager should be as well?

For me, this goes to the heart of an argument where I can see either side’s point of view. Go anywhere else in the UK apart from a pocket of South East Wales and if people have an opinion on the job Russell Slade has done at Cardiff City, then I would guess it’s a positive one. This is especially true if they know about the budget he has had to work to, but I’d guess even those who are not aware of this would be somewhat surprised at his, relative, lack of popularity among City fans.

The thing is though, I’m sure I’m not alone among City fans in still not being wholly convinced by Mr Slade. I still don’t like the way the Academy has become almost an irrelevance under this manager and, although some disagreed with what I said about his substitutions against Preston, I stick to my opinion that he helped turn a game we were winning comfortably into something of a cliffhanger with his changes.

There is also an opinion I’ve seen which says that the transfer embargo has been a good thing for City because it has meant that our manager has had to deal in relatively cheap loans rather than the, fairly expensive, permanent signings we would have had without it. Given our manager’s mixed dealings in the permanent transfer market up to now, I can understand the point being made – especially when you consider that the man himself has admitted that Lex Immers wouldn’t be at the club now if we weren’t under the embargo.

I’ve accused us of playing “underdog football” under Russell Slade at times because I thought, especially in his early months here, he managed the team like a man was struggling with the adjustment from lower leagues to Championship – it was as if he didn’t truly believe that he was up to managing at this level.

When Stuart O'Keefe began his current stint in the team, I assumed he would drop out again after two or three games, but his stamina, mobility and good overall play has made him an essential member of the starting line up and now he has a well deserved first goal for the club as well. His simple header after Tom Lawrence's shot had been turned on to the crossbar made ir 2-0 after we had absorbed a lot of second half pressure for the home side was enough to send us into next week's two home matches in a confident frame of mind.*
When Stuart O’Keefe began his current stint in the team, I assumed he would drop out again after two or three games, but his stamina, mobility and good overall play has made him an essential member of the starting line up and now he has a well deserved first goal for the club as well. His simple header after Tom Lawrence’s shot had been turned on to the crossbar made ir 2-0 after we had absorbed a lot of second half pressure from the home side was enough to send us into next week’s two home matches in a confident frame of mind.*

I still see signs of such thinking with our manager, but it doesn’t happen as much these days and I find myself wondering now if I have been under estimating him somewhat. At 60, I’m five years older than Russell Slade and, while I wouldn’t say people of our sort of age generally think they know it all, I believe that there is a temptation to think that you’ve done all of your learning in life and it’s possible to just rely on the skills, or lack of such, you’ve acquired in the past half century or more to see you through the rest of your life.

Applying hindsight, it’s apparent now that I’ve been thinking for the past fifteen months or so that the Russell Slade we appointed in October 2014 was going to be a finished article of sorts. I don’t mean that in the normal complimentary way, I mean that he was at an age where he had done all of the learning he was going to as a football manager and he’d still be, basically, the same manager we appointed even if he was with us five years later.

When a younger person goes into football management, there is an assumption that they will “learn on the job”, but why shouldn’t the same apply to someone of Russell Slade’s age?

The notion that our manager could actually improve as he got more at home with doing his job at a new and higher level never occurred to me, but the evidence of recent weeks and months is that he has done. We are getting better results, while playing better football under a manager who is, generally, looking more confident that he is up to the job at this level – I still wouldn’t be completely pleased about it, but the idea of Russell Slade still being our manager next season no longer fills me with dread.
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Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:09 am

I've never felt that we could not make the play offs this season. We have been in touch with the top six all season and have briefly been in the play off positions on a few occasions. But if you allow yourself to be swayed by the boo boys and the Slade out brigade then you would think we were in the bottom three.

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:13 am

No it has not felt like a promotion challenge until yesterday, when our fans,team,manager all were united as one and when the players came off at half time to a standing ovation,that felt like these team can go places :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:47 am

I'm always in a one man promotion bandwagon every season, jeepers I thought we were going up last year!

What I will say is slowly and reluctantly fans are changing there minds about Slade.

However, you do get the feeling there are some anti-Slade diehards who are willing us to fail just so they can have their "I told you so moment"

What I say is forget all of that I get things wrong all the time e.g. last season, I get over it. The feeling of promotion is 100 times better than being proved right about an 'opinion'

We should throw our lot behind Slade and what has been said about him in the past is frankly irrelevant. We could do something amazingly special this season. I want everyone to concentrate on singing at Wembley after the game "you Jack bast**ds we are coming for you" because if we do then the best ever dream would have been accomplished CARDIFF CITY PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE IN BLUE!!!!!! :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:52 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:I'm always in a one man promotion bandwagon every season, jeepers I thought we were going up last year!

What I will say is slowly and reluctantly fans are changing there minds about Slade.

However, you do get the feeling there are some anti-Slade diehards who are willing us to fail just so they can have their "I told you so moment"

What I say is forget all of that I get things wrong all the time e.g. last season, I get over it. The feeling of promotion is 100 times better than being proved right about an 'opinion'

We should throw our lot behind Slade and what has been said about him in the past is frankly irrelevant. We could do something amazingly special this season. I want everyone to concentrate on singing at Wembley after the game "you Jack bast**ds we are coming for you" because if we do then the best ever dream would have been accomplished CARDIFF CITY PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE IN BLUE!!!!!! :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Why not dream :thumbup:

Who knows what we can achieve if everybody stops the negativity and gets behind the manager and team for the next few weeks.

I'm just glad we are in the fight.

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:56 pm

No it doesn't feel like a promotion challenge, any fan from the last 8 years can tell you that.

P-R-E-S-S-U-R-E indicates a promotion challenge, Slade hasn't had to cope with the Bluebirds fans expectations up to now. He has had to cope with the expectation from above and my god, that must be difficult, but wait until next Saturday if we beat Leeds on Tuesday.

Leeds even mid week should pull a few more through the gates, but assuming we do the business, i reckon we could get another 5K of our more fickle fans through the gates with all their moans, groans and preconceptions.

We rarely finish a season strongly !!!!

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:57 pm

It's for me we are in a good position know we win on Tuesday we are right in the mix .would loves to get to the play off semi final even if it was just to extend the season who knows could even get automatic promotion but if you offer me a play off final at Wembley know I'd take it :bluescarf:

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:29 pm

My head tells me were still guna finish 7th/8th, but we're having a good go and the season is getting interesting!

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:16 pm

Forever Blue wrote:No it has not felt like a promotion challenge until yesterday, when our fans,team,manager all were united as one and when the players came off at half time to a standing ovation,that felt like these team can go places :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Bluebirds! :ayatollah: :bluebird: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:21 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:I'm always in a one man promotion bandwagon every season, jeepers I thought we were going up last year!

What I will say is slowly and reluctantly fans are changing there minds about Slade.

However, you do get the feeling there are some anti-Slade diehards who are willing us to fail just so they can have their "I told you so moment"

What I say is forget all of that I get things wrong all the time e.g. last season, I get over it. The feeling of promotion is 100 times better than being proved right about an 'opinion'

We should throw our lot behind Slade and what has been said about him in the past is frankly irrelevant. We could do something amazingly special this season. I want everyone to concentrate on singing at Wembley after the game "you Jack bast**ds we are coming for you" because if we do then the best ever dream would have been accomplished CARDIFF CITY PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE IN BLUE!!!!!! :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Slade is earning his right to lead the great Cardiff City into battle :bluebird: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:30 pm

For me it doesn't and it never has.
But through the play off misses and promotion denials under DJ it always felt possible.

So who knows what's around the corner.

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:46 pm

For me since the very start it has despite not really seeing us as a top 6 team going into the season I always felt we could be in and around the top 6 which for me is over achieving the position we are in now IMO.

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:07 pm

llan bluebird wrote:No it doesn't feel like a promotion challenge, any fan from the last 8 years can tell you that.

P-R-E-S-S-U-R-E indicates a promotion challenge, Slade hasn't had to cope with the Bluebirds fans expectations up to now. He has had to cope with the expectation from above and my god, that must be difficult, but wait until next Saturday if we beat Leeds on Tuesday.

Leeds even mid week should pull a few more through the gates, but assuming we do the business, i reckon we could get another 5K of our more fickle fans through the gates with all their moans, groans and preconceptions.

We rarely finish a season strongly !!!!

I get where where your coming from but i'd have to disagree.

Certainly since we first came into the championship I don't think any other manager has been so heavily criticised both by fans and also the press much of which was really unjustified.

Personally I think he's done incredibly well to remain dignified in the face of this and i'm pleased to see him winning fans over.

For the first time probably since Hamman and Cork I feel that Management, Team, Fans and Owners are all on the same page. Early days but most excited i've felt about the club for a very long time

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:23 pm

For me, it was in between the Middlesbrough away game and Preston at home. May sound mad after a defeat but just had that feeling.

I'll be at the Leeds, Ipswich and Reading games and I'll be expectant.

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:53 am

llan bluebird wrote:No it doesn't feel like a promotion challenge, any fan from the last 8 years can tell you that.

P-R-E-S-S-U-R-E indicates a promotion challenge, Slade hasn't had to cope with the Bluebirds fans expectations up to now. He has had to cope with the expectation from above and my god, that must be difficult, but wait until next Saturday if we beat Leeds on Tuesday.

Leeds even mid week should pull a few more through the gates, but assuming we do the business, i reckon we could get another 5K of our more fickle fans through the gates with all their moans, groans and preconceptions.

We rarely finish a season strongly !!!!


I can't agree that Slade hasn't had fan pressure/expectations. He has had to deal with loads of complaints about the style of play/falling attendances, inconsistency, the failure to achieve back to back wins, substitution, his business in the transfer market, so called tactically inept and the FA Cup loss to Shrewsbury.

He has slowly worked his way through that list and one by one addressed them (FA Cup loss apart).

OK he now faces another (promotion) but I'm confident he will give it a good go. :sladein:

Re: So, Does It Feel Like A Promotion Challenge For You Now?

Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:39 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:No it doesn't feel like a promotion challenge, any fan from the last 8 years can tell you that.

P-R-E-S-S-U-R-E indicates a promotion challenge, Slade hasn't had to cope with the Bluebirds fans expectations up to now. He has had to cope with the expectation from above and my god, that must be difficult, but wait until next Saturday if we beat Leeds on Tuesday.

Leeds even mid week should pull a few more through the gates, but assuming we do the business, i reckon we could get another 5K of our more fickle fans through the gates with all their moans, groans and preconceptions.

We rarely finish a season strongly !!!!


I can't agree that Slade hasn't had fan pressure/expectations. He has had to deal with loads of complaints about the style of play/falling attendances, inconsistency, the failure to achieve back to back wins, substitution, his business in the transfer market, so called tactically inept and the FA Cup loss to Shrewsbury.

He has slowly worked his way through that list and one by one addressed them (FA Cup loss apart).

OK he now faces another (promotion) but I'm confident he will give it a good go. :sladein:


14K die hards lost in a massive stadium is one thing, 20K with an expectant buzz is another......

Can't wait and with all the choping and changing means only a super fit youngster in Joe Ralls has played all season, so for the first time in all our promotion pushes we won't be mentally and physically shagged.....

Its in my nature to be cautious, I only believed we were promoted last time at the final whistle of the Charlton game