Why don't they settle in France?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35693882

EU migrant crisis: Calais 'Jungle' clearance work due to resume

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Media captionSome refugees wielding sticks tried to stop lorries heading to the port, as the BBC's Anna Holligan reports
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Demolition teams are due to return to the French port of Calais to dismantle more makeshift shelters in the migrant camp known as the "Jungle".
Overnight, riot police fired tear gas at migrants who were hurling stones at the demolition squads.
Authorities say the migrants must move to shipping containers on another part of the site.
But many fear this will require them to claim asylum in France, and give up their hopes of travelling to Britain.
The BBC's Anna Holligan in Calais says that migrants, under cover of darkness, tried to access lorries on the motorway heading towards the port.
Riot police fired tear gas, forcing them back, she said.
Those living in the camp, mainly from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa, hope to cross the Channel to the UK, often using people traffickers to try to enter illegally.
Huts are dismantled on the Jungle camp. 29 Feb 2016Image copyrightGetty Images
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French police oversaw the demolition work on Monday
French authorities believe about 1,000 migrants will be affected by the eviction plan while aid agencies say the number of people living there is much higher.
About 100 shacks were dismantled on Monday. Riot police fired tear gas after migrants began throwing boulders inside the camp. At least 12 shelters were set ablaze.
More trouble broke out later as groups of migrants fanned out across scrubland towards the motorway heading to the port.
French media say about 150 people, some wielding sticks and iron bars, walked on to the road to block vehicles.
Riot police pushed them back into the camp.
Smoke and flames rise from a burning hut in the Jungle camp in CalaisImage copyrightReuters
Image caption
Police used water cannon to extinguish fires in the camp
At least four people, including activists from the UK-based No Borders group, were arrested during Monday's unrest, police say.
Earlier, Good Chance, a theatre group which works in the camp, said police were stopping volunteers from entering the camp.
French officials say public areas in the camp such as places of worship or schools will not be affected and describe the clearance as a "humanitarian operation".
Conditions in the southern sector are squalid and the camp's sprawling presence has become a controversial issue in both France and the UK.

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Correct

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Agree ,it's about time we look after our own citizens

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Scaremongering and ignorant.

Tthis bloody site should be re-named Daily Mail Forum.

Some FACTs as you like to say......................

In 2015, a total of 900,730 poor bastards applied for asylum in the EU, most fleeing war zones and tragedy. Some examples of where they applied for asylum:

Germany 288,740 32% of total applications
Hungary 175,960 19.5%
Sweden 72,985 8.1%
Italy 59,165 6.6%
Austria 56,675 6.3%
France 50,840 5.6%
United Kingdom 26,995 3.0%

Get over yourselves. The idea that 'they all come here because we give them everything' is simply not true.

We are all pretty lucky. Annis, your old man worked hard and made it. You had a soft enough start (and in fairness, have put the effort in). Lucky enough to be able to move to Majorca 'for a better life'.

That's what these people are doing........oh, and avoiding crumbling buildings around them.

Our only misfortune is ending up as City fans

FACT

So they don't get a better life in France? You do know that a high percentage of Asylum seekers are not from war zones!

So they don't get a better life in France? You do know that a high percentage of Asylum seekers are not from war zones!

Indeed, I do. Really pissed off with those families who, under threat of persecution, oppressed and fearful, round up their families and set out to WALK hundreds of miles for the hope of a secure and safe future.

Bastards.

I would much rather pay my hard earned taxes to at least 20 'mates' around Newport who haven't worked for 20 years, spend all day in Wetherspoons and borrow a walking stick to fake their disabilities once a year.

It's about proportion. War zone or not, the myth is cultivated that these people all end up in Freebie Britain. It's just NOT true.

It breaks my heart to see the children who have no idea what is going on and what's going to happen to them in the future.

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

that's the truth how can politicians explain the Migrant camps in France when the economic migrants are already in the EU? They can't. Quality summing up there Annis

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Scaremongering and ignorant.

This bloody site should be re-named Daily Mail Forum.

Some FACTs as you like to say......................

In 2015, a total of 900,730 poor bastards applied for asylum in the EU, most fleeing war zones and tragedy. Some examples of where they applied for asylum:

Germany 288,740 32% of total applications
Hungary 175,960 19.5%
Sweden 72,985 8.1%
Italy 59,165 6.6%
Austria 56,675 6.3%
France 50,840 5.6%
United Kingdom 26,995 3.0%

Get over yourselves. The idea that 'they all come here because we give them everything' is simply not true.

We are all pretty lucky. Annis, your old man worked hard and made it. You had a soft enough start (and in fairness, have put the effort in). Lucky enough to be able to move to Majorca 'for a better life'.

That's what these people are doing........oh, and avoiding crumbling buildings around them.

Our only misfortune is ending up as City fans

FACT

I make the distinction between Asylum seekers and economic migrants. How can you explain the camps in Calais when they already in EU territory, they don't come to the UK for our glorious weather

Clearly they want to claim asylum on UK territory

So they don't get a better life in France? You do know that a high percentage of Asylum seekers are not from war zones!

The vast majority leave for financial gain (economic migrant) The genuine Asylum seekers who are young men are regarded as cowards in their own countries, many branded this by their own families

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Scaremongering and ignorant.

This bloody site should be re-named Daily Mail Forum.

Some FACTs as you like to say......................

In 2015, a total of 900,730 poor bastards applied for asylum in the EU, most fleeing war zones and tragedy. Some examples of where they applied for asylum:

Germany 288,740 32% of total applications
Hungary 175,960 19.5%
Sweden 72,985 8.1%
Italy 59,165 6.6%
Austria 56,675 6.3%
France 50,840 5.6%
United Kingdom 26,995 3.0%

Get over yourselves. The idea that 'they all come here because we give them everything' is simply not true.

We are all pretty lucky. Annis, your old man worked hard and made it. You had a soft enough start (and in fairness, have put the effort in). Lucky enough to be able to move to Majorca 'for a better life'.

That's what these people are doing........oh, and avoiding crumbling buildings around them.

Our only misfortune is ending up as City fans

FACT

I make the distinction between Asylum seekers and economic migrants. How can you explain the camps in Calais when they already in EU territory, they don't come to the UK for our glorious weather

Clearly they want to claim asylum on UK territory

"I make the distinction between Asylum seekers".........do you?

The numbers I have quoted are mixed....about 1/3 are fleeing Syria. About 266,000 if i remember. Cameron says we will take 20,000 over FIVE years. 4,000 per year. And the rest of them can stay there and face down ISIS for us. c**t that he is! Germany accommodated almost 1/3 million last year.

The argument is not in the semantics of what colour, where from, why are they coming, why don't they just stay in Greece / France. Whatever, who ever, where from or why, THE FIGURES PROVE IT'S AN IGNORANT MYTH THAT EVERYONE IS CHARGING TO UK's FRONT DOOR. THEY DON'T !!

We are the 7th richest economy in the world and we simply do not pull our weight. Look at Hungary, for God's sake......

Dangerous leaders and political puppets whose strings are pulled by the real money, propagate fear, separatism and elitism.

it's about being fair.

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Scaremongering and ignorant.

This bloody site should be re-named Daily Mail Forum.

Some FACTs as you like to say......................

In 2015, a total of 900,730 poor bastards applied for asylum in the EU, most fleeing war zones and tragedy. Some examples of where they applied for asylum:

Germany 288,740 32% of total applications
Hungary 175,960 19.5%
Sweden 72,985 8.1%
Italy 59,165 6.6%
Austria 56,675 6.3%
France 50,840 5.6%
United Kingdom 26,995 3.0%

Get over yourselves. The idea that 'they all come here because we give them everything' is simply not true.

We are all pretty lucky. Annis, your old man worked hard and made it. You had a soft enough start (and in fairness, have put the effort in). Lucky enough to be able to move to Majorca 'for a better life'.

That's what these people are doing........oh, and avoiding crumbling buildings around them.

Our only misfortune is ending up as City fans

FACT

I make the distinction between Asylum seekers and economic migrants. How can you explain the camps in Calais when they already in EU territory, they don't come to the UK for our glorious weather

Clearly they want to claim asylum on UK territory

"I make the distinction between Asylum seekers".........do you?

The numbers I have quoted are mixed....about 1/3 are fleeing Syria. About 266,000 if i remember. Cameron says we will take 20,000 over FIVE years. 4,000 per year. And the rest of them can stay there and face down ISIS for us. c**t that he is! Germany accommodated almost 1/3 million last year.

The argument is not in the semantics of what colour, where from, why are they coming, why don't they just stay in Greece / France. Whatever, who ever, where from or why, THE FIGURES PROVE IT'S AN IGNORANT MYTH THAT EVERYONE IS CHARGING TO UK's FRONT DOOR. THEY DON'T !!

We are the 7th richest economy in the world and we simply do not pull our weight. Look at Hungary, for God's sake......

Dangerous leaders and political puppets whose strings are pulled by the real money, propagate fear, separatism and elitism.

it's about being fair.

I think everyone agrees (or should do) with the principles of Asylum, everyone has to make a decision in life and we only get one! If your life is in danger of being cut short, it's a person's right to escape the situation. I take your point on board that other EU nations are accepting more refugees than us. I actually like what Cameron said about taking the refugees from the Camps, better than just handing asylum to the young men who are fit enough to jump onto lorries.

So they don't get a better life in France? You do know that a high percentage of Asylum seekers are not from war zones!

The vast majority leave for financial gain (economic migrant) The genuine Asylum seekers who are young men are regarded as cowards in their own countries, many branded this by their own families

FACT !

Bullshit.

Weaving your bigoted opinion to suit your spurious argument. How the f**k do you find out that....
1. Vast majority are economic migrants
2. Genuine asylum seekers are young men
3. Regarded as cowards
4. By their own families

Some FACTs there. Love to see the data / league tables.

Controlled immigration is not bad. United States of America was born from it. And latest data shows almost 1,000,000 immigrants were allowed entry to USA in 2013 ....... http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs ... -Residents

FACT.

As I said.....scaremongering, ignorance. Or worse.

Thomas, I remove the 'bigotted' comment. All entitled to opinions.

"I actually like what Cameron said about taking the refugees from the Camps"...........

We want the best, fittest, brainiest, richest, most talented, own teeth...... bugger the other, less fortunate skint, thicko's.

there were over 250 children in the calais jungle who were without any parent / guardians and we made no move to get them out of it. How desperate must a parent be to allow their blood to walk away, unprotected, without belonging in the hope of safety and a better future?

Feck em!

So they don't get a better life in France? You do know that a high percentage of Asylum seekers are not from war zones!

The vast majority leave for financial gain (economic migrant) The genuine Asylum seekers who are young men are regarded as cowards in their own countries, many branded this by their own families

FACT !

Bullshit.

Weaving your bigoted opinion to suit your spurious argument. How the f**k do you find out that....
1. Vast majority are economic migrants
2. Genuine asylum seekers are young men
3. Regarded as cowards
4. By their own families

Some FACTs there. Love to see the data / league tables.

Controlled immigration is not bad. United States of America was born from it. And latest data shows almost 1,000,000 immigrants were allowed entry to USA in 2013 ....... http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs ... -Residents

FACT.

As I said.....scaremongering, ignorance. Or worse.

I did not say 'Genuine asylum seekers are young men' c'mon, as Tan says, be reasonable. That statement doesn't make any sense. I said the genuine asylum seekers who are young men.

I don't do figures and graphs, I would have to trawl more right wing publications just as you get your source of info from the left. Truth be told, I don't take any notice of them. However, it stands to be a reasoned argument that young men who escape warzones and decided to flee rather than pick up an ak-47, are rightly or wrongly branded cowards.

Please answer why for the sake of this conversation why 'asylum seekers' in france want to get that status in UK territory and not France?

Thomas, I remove the 'bigotted' comment. All entitled to opinions.

"I actually like what Cameron said about taking the refugees from the Camps"...........

We want the best, fittest, brainiest, richest, most talented, own teeth...... bugger the other, less fortunate skint, thicko's.

there were over 250 children in the calais jungle who were without any parent / guardians and we made no move to get them out of it. How desperate must a parent be to allow their blood to walk away, unprotected, without belonging in the hope of safety and a better future?

Feck em!

Thank you for that! I agree, everyone has an opinion to be respected

There can never be any circumstance that a parent walks away from a child. I am a bit surprised you used this to harness sympathy with their plight tbh

"it stands to be a reasoned argument that young men who escape warzones and decided to flee rather than pick up an ak-47, are rightly or wrongly branded cowards."

Perhaps. Could pick this up but won't. I think I would be happy to stand at my front door with catapult and call, ISIS, Daesh, Syrian Government troops, Russian planes on...... with their predominately European made weapons. Particularly as a Sunni run out of Iran by Shiites. "Hide before the settee kids!"

"Please answer why for the sake of this conversation why 'asylum seekers' in france want to get that status in UK territory and not France?"

1. I speak English but don't speak French.
2. My cousin and his family live in UK.
3. UK has a long and treasured history in looking after and safeguarding refugees. Ahem.
4. I've never seen Buckingham Palace.
5. Don't like seafood, frogs or red wine.
6. I'm a qualified doctor and I hear the national Health service is looking for doctors to help prop up an underfunded, poorly managed state asset.
7. I've always been a Liverpool supporter.

Could be anything.

Just the emphasise, my OP was looking to dispel the myth that we as a country do more than our fair share. We DON'T.

Left or right doesn't mater. As you say Tan might say.....be reasonable.

"There can never be any circumstance that a parent walks away from a child. I am a bit surprised you used this to harness sympathy with their plight tbh"

It was to emphasise how DESPERATE parents must be to allow their blood to walk away, unprotected in pursuit of safety and hope. Parents presumably convincing themselves that a lone child would have a better chance of the authorities being benevolent towards them. Many would likely be orphans, I guess.

Still, Cameron walked on by. Good for him, protecting our beleaguered front door.

2015 Asylum applications....... Germany 288,740. UK 26,995.

We never beat the Germans, do we!

"it stands to be a reasoned argument that young men who escape warzones and decided to flee rather than pick up an ak-47, are rightly or wrongly branded cowards."

Perhaps. Could pick this up but won't. I think I would be happy to stand at my front door with catapult and call, ISIS, Daesh, Syrian Government troops, Russian planes on...... with their predominately European made weapons. Particularly as a Sunni run out of Iran by Shiites. "Hide before the settee kids!"

"Please answer why for the sake of this conversation why 'asylum seekers' in france want to get that status in UK territory and not France?"

1. I speak English but don't speak French.
2. My cousin and his family live in UK.
3. UK has a long and treasured history in looking after and safeguarding refugees. Ahem.
4. I've never seen Buckingham Palace.
5. Don't like seafood, frogs or red wine.
6. I'm a qualified doctor and I hear the national Health service is looking for doctors to help prop up an underfunded, poorly managed state asset.
7. I've always been a Liverpool supporter.

Could be anything.

Just the emphasise, my OP was looking to dispel the myth that we as a country do more than our fair share. We DON'T.

Left or right doesn't mater. As you say Tan might say.....be reasonable.

You make a compelling case, I do accept and agree that the UK do not accept as many migrants as some EU nations. Clearly not all Asylum applications are genuine, it's my opinion that a majority are for economic reasons.

I'm not one normally to do social commentary, politics. That's my last post. Yes, you have made a good point on the UK not accepting as many applications as say Germany. Germany is a much larger country though (couldn't help myself)

"There can never be any circumstance that a parent walks away from a child. I am a bit surprised you used this to harness sympathy with their plight tbh"

It was to emphasise how DESPERATE parents must be to allow their blood to walk away, unprotected in pursuit of safety and hope. Parents presumably convincing themselves that a lone child would have a better chance of the authorities being benevolent towards them. Many would likely be orphans, I guess.

Still, Cameron walked on by. Good for him, protecting our beleaguered front door.

2015 Asylum applications....... Germany 288,740. UK 26,995.

We never beat the Germans, do we!

but your talking about actual applications... not people trying to get here in the back of a lorry

"You make a compelling case, I do accept and agree that the UK do not accept as many migrants as some EU nations. Clearly not all Asylum applications are genuine, it's my opinion that a majority are for economic reasons.

I'm not one normally to do social commentary, politics. That's my last post. Yes, you have made a good point on the UK not accepting as many applications as say Germany. Germany is a much larger country though (couldn't help myself) "

Thank you, Thomas. Good exchange.

Hope it has helped a few others think. Plenty out there are happy to peddle myths.

Germany is not only bigger but (perhaps as a legacy of two World wars) has a much more defined social consciousness. AND it understands (like USA) that net immigration actually fuels demand / output in the economy.

City doing well though, eh! See you at Wembley.

"but your talking about actual applications... not people trying to get here in the back of a lorry"

I guess they are the lucky ones.......though not all will have been approved and admitted.

The poor bastards who look to hang on to a train's axle (how fecking desperate must you be BTW) will have their own reasons, as before. If they are non EU economic migrants, they will remain "illegal" whether in Germany, Greece, france or UK and as such, will not be visible and claiming all the benefits some will tell you "they" do. Or they make formal application in the UK and just maybe, use their skills to join the working population.

Who knows? Just making the point that it is NOT just our front door they are knocking at.

"but your talking about actual applications... not people trying to get here in the back of a lorry"

I guess they are the lucky ones.......though not all will have been approved and admitted.

The poor bastards who look to hang on to a train's axle (how fecking desperate must you be BTW) will have their own reasons, as before. If they are non EU economic migrants, they will remain "illegal" whether in Germany, Greece, france or UK and as such, will not be visible and claiming all the benefits some will tell you "they" do. Or they make formal application in the UK and just maybe, use their skills to join the working population.

Who knows? Just making the point that it is NOT just our front door they are knocking at.

what would you have us do exactly? take in everyone at the jungle?

A judge recently confirmed that most of the migrants in the jungle are not fleeing from war and they are economic migrants Britain is full simple we can't afford to just let more in ,they should go back to there own families in there own country ,typical name calling from the Lefty purple in this thread just coz other posters don't agree with his view makes me sick

"A judge recently confirmed that most of the migrants in the jungle are not fleeing from war and they are economic migrants Britain is full simple we can't afford to just let more in ,they should go back to there own families in there own country ,typical name calling from the Lefty purple in this thread just coz other posters don't agree with his view makes me sick"

Don't feel sick, Wez.

Unlikely to change your entrenched position. After all, you can find suitable stories, peddled myths to re-confirm to you that your opinion are right.

As i say, the Daily Mail and the likes would have you believe that the whole world is banging on our door and we had better start pouring boiling oil on the poor bastards from the castle rampards. Like it or not, the rest of Europe is doing MUCH more to help these people than UK.

And I am neither 'name calling' nor 'Leftie'.

"A judge recently confirmed that most of the migrants in the jungle are not fleeing from war and they are economic migrants Britain is full simple we can't afford to just let more in ,they should go back to there own families in there own country ,typical name calling from the Lefty purple in this thread just coz other posters don't agree with his view makes me sick"

Don't feel sick, Wez.

Unlikely to change your entrenched position. After all, you can find suitable stories, peddled myths to re-confirm to you that your opinion are right.

As i say, the Daily Mail and the likes would have you believe that the whole world is banging on our door and we had better start pouring boiling oil on the poor bastards from the castle rampards. Like it or not, the rest of Europe is doing MUCH more to help these people than UK.

And I am neither 'name calling' nor 'Leftie'.

think you need to go to calais and invite some asylum/economic migrants to share your home and food ect ect as you have so much empathy for theiir plight?

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Scaremongering and ignorant.

Tthis bloody site should be re-named Daily Mail Forum.

Some FACTs as you like to say......................

In 2015, a total of 900,730 poor bastards applied for asylum in the EU, most fleeing war zones and tragedy. Some examples of where they applied for asylum:

Germany 288,740 32% of total applications
Hungary 175,960 19.5%
Sweden 72,985 8.1%
Italy 59,165 6.6%
Austria 56,675 6.3%
France 50,840 5.6%
United Kingdom 26,995 3.0%

Get over yourselves. The idea that 'they all come here because we give them everything' is simply not true.

We are all pretty lucky. Annis, your old man worked hard and made it. You had a soft enough start (and in fairness, have put the effort in). Lucky enough to be able to move to Majorca 'for a better life'.

That's what these people are doing........oh, and avoiding crumbling buildings around them.

Our only misfortune is ending up as City fans

FACT

No scaremongering,Sadly its a fact what Ive posted.

Because we are the only Country in the World that gives everything and actually offers it out,but does not look after its own Citizens.

Agree ,it's about time we look after our own citizens

100% agree with you Wez

So these people populating the "Jungle" regularly threaten and endanger the public that use the roads around Calais to keep the economy running as normal. Why are they in need of and so deserving of more humanitarian care than anyone else?

When the lowest common denominator is assisted it seems to just perpetuate it rather than solve the real issue. Let's go from the core issues rather than symptoms.

Deliberate destabilisation of the Middle-East and Africa through illegal wars carried out by Saudi Arabia, USA, UK, Israel, France et al. is a core reason why we are having these problems.

If someone really wants to prevent "refugees", bogus or not - Then they need to take measures to actively expose and NO LONGER CONSENT to the utter madness that we have allowed our governments to participate in.