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" BORIS JOHNSON "

Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:34 pm

Breaking News: Boris Johnson will campaign for Britain to leave the European Union.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:50 pm

Santa Ponsa Blue wrote:Breaking News: Boris Johnson will campaign for Britain to leave the European Union.

:thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:03 pm

Santa Ponsa Blue wrote:Breaking News: Boris Johnson will campaign for Britain to leave the European Union.




I see this as a positive! :thumbup:

Although not a fan of Boris, I think he will grab the attention of a lot of people and this news will panic Cameron, who has already started the 'Scare Offensive' (with little credibility so far, just like his election promises!) ;)

Out of EU for me! The UK (even without the Scots, if need be) will do nicely in control of their own affairs! :ayatollah:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:44 pm

Need to get out asap

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:10 pm

Thought we were signing him for a minute then :lol:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:34 pm

avondaleblue wrote:Thought we were signing him for a minute then :lol:

:lol:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:14 am

Master stroke by the tories, Labour must now fall in line with the PM or next tory leader

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:16 am

It's out for me also. The £55 million pound a day we plough into the EU would be better spent totally in GB. The EU is a gravy train for European politicians, and I won't start about their expenses and perks!!

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:04 am

I need to get better educated on the subject before I start making emotional statements. However, my main concern would be the empact on economy and peoples jobs if we left.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:34 am

Gavin wrote:Master stroke by the tories, Labour must now fall in line with the PM or next tory leader


Sought of agree. I was going to vote to stay in the EU but this nonsense Cameron has brought back has made me change my mind. I'm hoping it will see off Cameron as the UK votes to leave. Also as an added bonus it might also do for Jeremy Corbyn or at the very least seriously damage him for backing a failed Tory PM.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:06 pm

Don't believe the lies of the right wing press
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Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:26 pm

BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press



Don't believe the lies of the left wing press either!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:17 pm

Mikey27 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press



Don't believe the lies of the left wing press either!! :thumbup: :thumbup:


What left wing press? The Mirror? And that's about it!!

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:36 pm

BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press


"Don't believe the lies of the right wing press" and then you post something from a left wing organisation full of lies. We would have all those things.

You, a left winger, are lining up with Cameron, the banks and the big business coperations. My father was a left winger and a proud member of his union and he would be turning in his grave at your stance. The EU is a very right wing body! Look at how they treated Greece, open your eyes.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:49 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press


"Don't believe the lies of the right wing press" and then you post something from a left wing organisation full of lies. We would have all those things.

You, a left winger, are lining up with Cameron, the banks and the big business coperations. My father was a left winger and a proud member of his union and he would be turning in his grave at your stance. The EU is a very right wing body! Look at how they treated Greece, open your eyes.
agree

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:57 pm

Latest polls show it's neck and neck, Boris will swing a few votes :thumbright:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:59 pm

Bobbank59 wrote:It's out for me also. The £55 million pound a day we plough into the EU would be better spent totally in GB. The EU is a gravy train for European politicians, and I won't start about their expenses and perks!!


This ^

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:38 pm

T1JMO wrote:
Bobbank59 wrote:It's out for me also. The £55 million pound a day we plough into the EU would be better spent totally in GB. The EU is a gravy train for European politicians, and I won't start about their expenses and perks!!


This ^


Your facts might be somewhere near correct for the south of England but I can guarantee you that for every £1 Wales pays into Europe we get £10 back. This is fact, don't be fooled by the scaremongering.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:39 pm

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Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:47 pm

Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:59 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.


There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:09 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.


There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU


Because they think Britain can do things better and stand alone, they believe the EU is holding Britain back. A lot of those on the right are also sick of high numbers of immigration.

Lets look at the EU, is it left wing or right wing? And you will see it's incredibly right wing and very pro business. It fucked over Greece big time, they strangled that democratically elected far left government until it had to do what they wanted despite them voting AGAINST austerity it was IMPOSED on them by the EU and now Greeks will be paying for it for over 50 years.

It's funny because the SNP were lining up to take shots at labour for siding with the Tories during the independence referendum and now the SNP and Plaid Cymru will proudly campaign alongside Cameron and the banksters as well as labour. Hypocrites.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:26 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.


There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU


Because they think Britain can do things better and stand alone, they believe the EU is holding Britain back. A lot of those on the right are also sick of high numbers of immigration.

Lets look at the EU, is it left wing or right wing? And you will see it's incredibly right wing and very pro business. It fucked over Greece big time, they strangled that democratically elected far left government until it had to do what they wanted despite them voting AGAINST austerity it was IMPOSED on them by the EU and now Greeks will be paying for it for over 50 years.

It's funny because the SNP were lining up to take shots at labour for siding with the Tories during the independence referendum and now the SNP and Plaid Cymru will proudly campaign alongside Cameron and the banksters as well as labour. Hypocrites.


They will campaign because they know that staying in the EU is best for both wales and Scotland.
'The EU holding Britain back!' Don't make me laugh, we have no major industries left and what we have is owned overseas.Our economy is ruled by banks. Strange that strong economies like Germany and France are pro Europe don't you think?
It so sad that Britain has reversed into been ruled by the upper classes who still live in some dream that Britain still rules the waves and can be 'great' again. We are just a small insignificant island off the coast of Europe.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:36 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.


There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU


Because they think Britain can do things better and stand alone, they believe the EU is holding Britain back. A lot of those on the right are also sick of high numbers of immigration.

Lets look at the EU, is it left wing or right wing? And you will see it's incredibly right wing and very pro business. It fucked over Greece big time, they strangled that democratically elected far left government until it had to do what they wanted despite them voting AGAINST austerity it was IMPOSED on them by the EU and now Greeks will be paying for it for over 50 years.

It's funny because the SNP were lining up to take shots at labour for siding with the Tories during the independence referendum and now the SNP and Plaid Cymru will proudly campaign alongside Cameron and the banksters as well as labour. Hypocrites.


They will campaign because they know that staying in the EU is best for both wales and Scotland.
'The EU holding Britain back!' Don't make me laugh, we have no major industries left and what we have is owned overseas.Our economy is ruled by banks. Strange that strong economies like Germany and France are pro Europe don't you think?
It so sad that Britain has reversed into been ruled by the upper classes who still live in some dream that Britain still rules the waves and can be 'great' again. We are just a small insignificant island off the coast of Europe.


No they are hypocrites, they want to leave London rule and give it straight to Brussels. Not sure where you get the idea that France and Germany are Pro - Europe, they are just as pro Europe as we are. There are dissenting voices in those countries, don't pretend there isn't. If we vote to leave the EU then it may set off a trend across Europe, the Netherlands are considering a vote right now. It is holding us back because we are unable to trade with other countries such as our commonwealth partners to full effect.

"Ruled by the upper classes" - The EU support them wholeheartedly, it's all geared towards big business and helping the very rich, again stop pretending the EU give a toss about you or me. The EU is for the millionaires and not for the millions, grow a pair of bollocks and confront the truth. Sorry to say but like I said my Father was a proud left winger and very active in the Unions, if he could see the left lining up to support such a body as the EU he would be violently gesticulating in his grave, god rest his soul.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:57 pm

"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:29 pm

in ww2 our people had to fight to secure the right to self governance. this time all we have to do is vote at the polls! :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :thumbright:

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:34 pm

BlueGog wrote:"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"


Do you think we are too poor and too stupid to do all that ourselves?

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:05 pm

avondaleblue wrote:Thought we were signing him for a minute then :lol:


Would do a better job than Eddie Johnson ;)

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:43 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"


Do you think we are too poor and too stupid to do all that ourselves?



I'm more pro staying in Europe than leaving but haven't got huge emotions about it.

I don't think this is a left versus right thing.

But Bluebird since 1948 - we HAVE been useless and too stupid to do some of these things ourselves!

Maybe now we have evolved out of the EU, maybe we still need them, however overall I feel it has/is a positive thing for Wales.

Re: " BORIS JOHNSON "

Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:05 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"


Do you think we are too poor and too stupid to do all that ourselves?


Unfortunately, London governments are more interested in meddling in other countries matters than sorting our own peoples problems. Sorry its got to be Cardiff and Europe for me and say goodbye to London.