Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:34 pm
Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:50 pm
Santa Ponsa Blue wrote:Breaking News: Boris Johnson will campaign for Britain to leave the European Union.
Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:03 pm
Santa Ponsa Blue wrote:Breaking News: Boris Johnson will campaign for Britain to leave the European Union.
Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:44 pm
Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:10 pm
Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:34 pm
avondaleblue wrote:Thought we were signing him for a minute then
Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:14 am
Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:16 am
Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:04 am
Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:34 am
Gavin wrote:Master stroke by the tories, Labour must now fall in line with the PM or next tory leader
Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:06 pm
Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:26 pm
BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press
Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:17 pm
Mikey27 wrote:BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press
Don't believe the lies of the left wing press either!!![]()
Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:36 pm
BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press
Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:49 pm
agreeBluebird since 1948 wrote:BlueGog wrote:Don't believe the lies of the right wing press
"Don't believe the lies of the right wing press" and then you post something from a left wing organisation full of lies. We would have all those things.
You, a left winger, are lining up with Cameron, the banks and the big business coperations. My father was a left winger and a proud member of his union and he would be turning in his grave at your stance. The EU is a very right wing body! Look at how they treated Greece, open your eyes.
Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:57 pm
Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:59 pm
Bobbank59 wrote:It's out for me also. The £55 million pound a day we plough into the EU would be better spent totally in GB. The EU is a gravy train for European politicians, and I won't start about their expenses and perks!!
Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:38 pm
T1JMO wrote:Bobbank59 wrote:It's out for me also. The £55 million pound a day we plough into the EU would be better spent totally in GB. The EU is a gravy train for European politicians, and I won't start about their expenses and perks!!
This ^
Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:39 pm
Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:47 pm
Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:59 pm
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.
Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:09 pm
BlueGog wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.
There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU
Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:26 pm
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:BlueGog wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.
There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU
Because they think Britain can do things better and stand alone, they believe the EU is holding Britain back. A lot of those on the right are also sick of high numbers of immigration.
Lets look at the EU, is it left wing or right wing? And you will see it's incredibly right wing and very pro business. It fucked over Greece big time, they strangled that democratically elected far left government until it had to do what they wanted despite them voting AGAINST austerity it was IMPOSED on them by the EU and now Greeks will be paying for it for over 50 years.
It's funny because the SNP were lining up to take shots at labour for siding with the Tories during the independence referendum and now the SNP and Plaid Cymru will proudly campaign alongside Cameron and the banksters as well as labour. Hypocrites.
Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:36 pm
BlueGog wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:BlueGog wrote:Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Bluegog you have sold out, left wing? My arse.
There's lots of the EU that isn't great I agree but please tell me why the far right - Farage, Johnson, Dily Mail, Daily Telegraph The Sun, Sky News etc are campaigning to get out of the EU
Because they think Britain can do things better and stand alone, they believe the EU is holding Britain back. A lot of those on the right are also sick of high numbers of immigration.
Lets look at the EU, is it left wing or right wing? And you will see it's incredibly right wing and very pro business. It fucked over Greece big time, they strangled that democratically elected far left government until it had to do what they wanted despite them voting AGAINST austerity it was IMPOSED on them by the EU and now Greeks will be paying for it for over 50 years.
It's funny because the SNP were lining up to take shots at labour for siding with the Tories during the independence referendum and now the SNP and Plaid Cymru will proudly campaign alongside Cameron and the banksters as well as labour. Hypocrites.
They will campaign because they know that staying in the EU is best for both wales and Scotland.
'The EU holding Britain back!' Don't make me laugh, we have no major industries left and what we have is owned overseas.Our economy is ruled by banks. Strange that strong economies like Germany and France are pro Europe don't you think?
It so sad that Britain has reversed into been ruled by the upper classes who still live in some dream that Britain still rules the waves and can be 'great' again. We are just a small insignificant island off the coast of Europe.
Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:57 pm
Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:29 pm
Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:34 pm
BlueGog wrote:"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.
Simon Sweeney,
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"
Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:05 pm
avondaleblue wrote:Thought we were signing him for a minute then
Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:43 am
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:BlueGog wrote:"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.
Simon Sweeney,
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"
Do you think we are too poor and too stupid to do all that ourselves?
Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:05 am
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:BlueGog wrote:"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.
Simon Sweeney,
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"
Do you think we are too poor and too stupid to do all that ourselves?