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Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:09 pm

Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:10 pm

Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:11 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:12 pm

Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!


Here you go steve :thumbup:

The inside story of how the Cardiff City v Langston dispute was finally settled after late night dealing and Sam Hammam's revelation

1ST FEB 2016

BY STEVE TUCKER

The Bluebirds are finally free of their oldest and biggest creditor after an out of court agreement was reached between the club and Langston



It took some late nights and just a few slices of pizza to bring one of the longest running debt sagas in football to an end and finally get Sam Hammam to admit he IS Langston.

The Bluebirds are finally free of their oldest and biggest creditor after an out of court agreement was reached between the club and the mysterious corporation.



Cardiff will now pay Langston, or former owner Hammam as we now know, a figure believed to be around £5m within the next 30 days. Another payment believed to be just under £2m will also be due if, or when, the Welsh club is promoted to the Premier League.

It brings to an end an incredible tale of confusion, acrimony and worry that began way back in 2003 when Lebanese businessman Hammam, then owner of the club, took out £24m in loan notes from a group called Langston.


A series of re-workings and restructurings of the debt followed, especially after Hammam was pushed from power at the club. Four years ago, the two parties reached agreement on a £22m settlement, to be paid in the form of £15m up front, followed by £7m in £250,000 quarterly instalments over seven years.

The Bluebirds had been honouring that but suspended payments with £5.7m left outstanding, citing the fact they were concerned they did not actually know who was behind Langston. Just who were they paying millions of pounds to?

That final stumbling block has been lifted and the man behind that shift has told WalesOnline of the protracted and tense negotiations needed to finally bring an end to ‘Langston-gate.’



Chris Nott, senior partner at Cardiff City’s law firm, Capital Law, has revealed how he and his colleagues had to burn the midnight oil to get the deal done. Nott himself admits to an interest in proceedings that weren’t entirely professional as he is himself a Bluebirds supporter.

The final deal was concluded at 2am on Monday morning and was agreed by the massive legal teams that had become involved in the case on both sides of four barristers and five solicitors. The agreement was ratified by the High Court at 3pm on Monday.

An exhausted Nott told us it had been hard work, but that the settlement was great news for the club and its supporters.

“It it is very good news. It is certainly very good news for Cardiff City and its supporters that we have managed to finally to get an agreement on this in such a professional manner,” said Nott.


“I’m not able to go into financial details, but the mechanism is that Cardiff City will now pay Langston a one-off payment within 30 days and then another payment is due if the club are promoted to the Premier League.

“Original negotiations began last week and lasted right through the weekend. It was finally agreed at 2am on Monday. One of the issues was the dispute had been going on so long, there were so many lawyers attached to it on both sides and we all had to be satisfied with the final deal.

“One thing they say about lawyers is that we can never really get anything finished unless pizza has been ordered in. Sure, it was a long weekend, and the first thing I want to do is get to bed now. But it is a great day for Cardiff City and a good deal for the club. After so long it is satisfying to be able to say that the Cardiff and Langston saga is finally over.”



Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan and, in particular, chairman Mehmet Dalman, who also played a key part in negotiating an end to the dispute, had maintained all along they would not continue making payments to Langston when they did not know officially who was behind the group.

Amidst internal fears of administration at a club that is already under a transfer embargo, the Bluebirds hierarchy stuck to its guns. Dalman recently stated: “It is bad governance not knowing who is the owner of a debt we are trying to honour. Right now I want to know who Langston is.”

It might well have been the worst kept secret in football, but Cardiff City have finally got their answer, with Hammam admitting he is behind the group that issued the original loan notes all those years ago.

Sam Hammam during his time in charge at Cardiff CitySam Hammam during his time in charge at Cardiff City
Nott said getting that confirmation from Hammam was the vital element in brokering the agreement, but he refused to speculate on why the 68-year-old was so guarded about who Langston really were and what his involvement was.

“Beyond all the complex legal argument, what really provoked this was the long-running issue of just who Langston were and why was it being kept a secret?” added Chris.

“Who was behind a Panama-based company, with nominal directors and a base in Switzerland? The key to moving things on was finally getting Mr Hammam to admit in litigation that he was in fact Langston. That was the major factor from the club’s perspective anyway.

“If someone wants to keep something so spectacularly secret then there has to be reasons behind why they would do that and Mr Hammam must have his reasons, but it is not for me to speculate on them.”

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:13 pm

carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:19 pm

cityone wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!


Here you go steve :thumbup:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... n-10819251


Thanks for the link , but there it just states " it emerges " but emerges from where ?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:20 pm

wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:21 pm

Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?

Wez or nobody else will find it Steve, cause it is not there.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:21 pm

carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.


So where's it actually been confirmed then Carlos ? I can't find it anywhere.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:22 pm

Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.


So where's it actually been confirmed then Carlos ? I can't find it anywhere.

It hasn't been confirmed Steve.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:22 pm

Daya wrote:
cityone wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!


Here you go steve :thumbup:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... n-10819251


Thanks for the link , but there it just states " it emerges " but emerges from where ?


Borley has also been on social media sites along with the clubs solicitor speaking about todays events.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:23 pm

Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?
no I thought it came out in court with Sam admitted it to get the pay off

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:25 pm

cityone wrote:
Daya wrote:
cityone wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!


Here you go steve :thumbup:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... n-10819251


Thanks for the link , but there it just states " it emerges " but emerges from where ?


Borley has also been on social media sites along with the clubs solicitor speaking about todays events.


Thanks mate .... I'll take a look

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:26 pm

cityone wrote:
Daya wrote:
cityone wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!


Here you go steve :thumbup:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... n-10819251


Thanks for the link , but there it just states " it emerges " but emerges from where ?


Borley has also been on social media sites along with the clubs solicitor speaking about todays events.

Where too ?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:28 pm

The inside story of how the Cardiff City v Langston dispute was finally settled after late night dealing and Sam Hammam's revelation

1ST FEB 2016

BY STEVE TUCKER

The Bluebirds are finally free of their oldest and biggest creditor after an out of court agreement was reached between the club and Langston



It took some late nights and just a few slices of pizza to bring one of the longest running debt sagas in football to an end and finally get Sam Hammam to admit he IS Langston.

The Bluebirds are finally free of their oldest and biggest creditor after an out of court agreement was reached between the club and the mysterious corporation.



Cardiff will now pay Langston, or former owner Hammam as we now know, a figure believed to be around £5m within the next 30 days. Another payment believed to be just under £2m will also be due if, or when, the Welsh club is promoted to the Premier League.

It brings to an end an incredible tale of confusion, acrimony and worry that began way back in 2003 when Lebanese businessman Hammam, then owner of the club, took out £24m in loan notes from a group called Langston.


A series of re-workings and restructurings of the debt followed, especially after Hammam was pushed from power at the club. Four years ago, the two parties reached agreement on a £22m settlement, to be paid in the form of £15m up front, followed by £7m in £250,000 quarterly instalments over seven years.

The Bluebirds had been honouring that but suspended payments with £5.7m left outstanding, citing the fact they were concerned they did not actually know who was behind Langston. Just who were they paying millions of pounds to?

That final stumbling block has been lifted and the man behind that shift has told WalesOnline of the protracted and tense negotiations needed to finally bring an end to ‘Langston-gate.’



Chris Nott, senior partner at Cardiff City’s law firm, Capital Law, has revealed how he and his colleagues had to burn the midnight oil to get the deal done. Nott himself admits to an interest in proceedings that weren’t entirely professional as he is himself a Bluebirds supporter.

The final deal was concluded at 2am on Monday morning and was agreed by the massive legal teams that had become involved in the case on both sides of four barristers and five solicitors. The agreement was ratified by the High Court at 3pm on Monday.

An exhausted Nott told us it had been hard work, but that the settlement was great news for the club and its supporters.

“It it is very good news. It is certainly very good news for Cardiff City and its supporters that we have managed to finally to get an agreement on this in such a professional manner,” said Nott.


“I’m not able to go into financial details, but the mechanism is that Cardiff City will now pay Langston a one-off payment within 30 days and then another payment is due if the club are promoted to the Premier League.

“Original negotiations began last week and lasted right through the weekend. It was finally agreed at 2am on Monday. One of the issues was the dispute had been going on so long, there were so many lawyers attached to it on both sides and we all had to be satisfied with the final deal.

“One thing they say about lawyers is that we can never really get anything finished unless pizza has been ordered in. Sure, it was a long weekend, and the first thing I want to do is get to bed now. But it is a great day for Cardiff City and a good deal for the club. After so long it is satisfying to be able to say that the Cardiff and Langston saga is finally over.”



Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan and, in particular, chairman Mehmet Dalman, who also played a key part in negotiating an end to the dispute, had maintained all along they would not continue making payments to Langston when they did not know officially who was behind the group.

Amidst internal fears of administration at a club that is already under a transfer embargo, the Bluebirds hierarchy stuck to its guns. Dalman recently stated: “It is bad governance not knowing who is the owner of a debt we are trying to honour. Right now I want to know who Langston is.”

It might well have been the worst kept secret in football, but Cardiff City have finally got their answer, with Hammam admitting he is behind the group that issued the original loan notes all those years ago.

Sam Hammam during his time in charge at Cardiff CitySam Hammam during his time in charge at Cardiff City
Nott said getting that confirmation from Hammam was the vital element in brokering the agreement, but he refused to speculate on why the 68-year-old was so guarded about who Langston really were and what his involvement was.

“Beyond all the complex legal argument, what really provoked this was the long-running issue of just who Langston were and why was it being kept a secret?” added Chris.

“Who was behind a Panama-based company, with nominal directors and a base in Switzerland? The key to moving things on was finally getting Mr Hammam to admit in litigation that he was in fact Langston. That was the major factor from the club’s perspective anyway.

“If someone wants to keep something so spectacularly secret then there has to be reasons behind why they would do that and Mr Hammam must have his reasons, but it is not for me to speculate on them.”

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:29 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?
no I thought it came out in court with Sam admitted it to get the pay off


Couldn't have as settled out of court from my readings also if the contract of repayment was tight it wouldn't have mattered anyway who Langston were, the club had already paid them millions too, so the Dalman comment about " good governance is total bollocks "

If you owe an off shore company money and you have a signed contract of repayment it does not matter a dimly squat who owns the Company.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:31 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.


So where's it actually been confirmed then Carlos ? I can't find it anywhere.

It hasn't been confirmed Steve.


Looks a load of bollocks to me Carlos. No evidence or confessions anywhere !!!

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:34 pm

Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?
no I thought it came out in court with Sam admitted it to get the pay off


Couldn't have as settled out of court from my readings also if the contract of repayment was tight it wouldn't have mattered anyway who Langston were, the club had already paid them millions too, so the Dalman comment about " good governance is total bollocks "

If you owe an off shore company money and you have a signed contract of repayment it does not matter a dimly squat who owns the Company.


My own point of view, was, what does it matter now, if SH is proved to be Langston?? So what's your take on it Daya? Why were the payments stopped in the first place and why have they now now agreed to pay in full? Even if Sam admitted he is Langston?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:38 pm

Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.


So where's it actually been confirmed then Carlos ? I can't find it anywhere.

It hasn't been confirmed Steve.


Looks a load of bollocks to me Carlos. No evidence or confessions anywhere !!!

And it looks bollocks to me as well Steve.

If the club were to prove that he is Langston then I would imagine they would not be agreeing to pay £5m in a lump sum.

Also weren't people convinced that the club would sue Sam Hammam if he was Langston ?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:43 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.


So where's it actually been confirmed then Carlos ? I can't find it anywhere.

It hasn't been confirmed Steve.


Looks a load of bollocks to me Carlos. No evidence or confessions anywhere !!!

And it looks bollocks to me as well Steve.

If the club were to prove that he is Langston then I would imagine they would not be agreeing to pay £5m in a lump sum.

Also weren't people convinced that the club would sue Sam Hammam if he was Langston ?


Carlos, there was a written repayment contract, a contract that was just under fulfilled , it wouldn't make any difference to who owned the actual off shore company in any court decision , just simply club / tan had not honoured agreement of repayment.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:47 pm

Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?
no I thought it came out in court with Sam admitted it to get the pay off


Couldn't have as settled out of court from my readings also if the contract of repayment was tight it wouldn't have mattered anyway who Langston were, the club had already paid them millions too, so the Dalman comment about " good governance is total bollocks "

If you owe an off shore company money and you have a signed contract of repayment it does not matter a dimly squat who owns the Company.


My own point of view, was, what does it matter now, if SH is proved to be Langston?? So what's your take on it Daya? Why were the payments stopped in the first place and why have they now now agreed to pay in full? Even if Sam admitted he is Langston?


Ron Noades died December 2013, hence why the club tried in on there after.
They have agreed to pay now as they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:47 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
Daya wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.


So where's it actually been confirmed then Carlos ? I can't find it anywhere.

It hasn't been confirmed Steve.


Looks a load of bollocks to me Carlos. No evidence or confessions anywhere !!!

And it looks bollocks to me as well Steve.

If the club were to prove that he is Langston then I would imagine they would not be agreeing to pay £5m in a lump sum.

Also weren't people convinced that the club would sue Sam Hammam if he was Langston ?


Apart from it proving that SH was a 'big fat liar' :lol: I have never understood, what proving him to be Langston or not had on paying back the money owed to them and surely if there was any legal ramification, then SH would never admit it, especially when as an agreement was signed to repay the money, he had no need to?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:48 pm

Tweet Steve Tucker and ask him where he got the info from if you want to find his source. He will tweet back either saying who or he doesn't know and you will get your answer.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:48 pm

Took 7hrs for things to get back to normal regarding Langston/sam guess subject will never die now? :o

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:51 pm

Daya wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Read through most the postings but can't see where Hammam makes a confession ?

Can someone point me in the direction so I can catch up with the latest episode of the soap opera !!
it was said in court apparently

No it wasn't.

How has it come out then ?


You can't see it either then Wez ?
no I thought it came out in court with Sam admitted it to get the pay off


Couldn't have as settled out of court from my readings also if the contract of repayment was tight it wouldn't have mattered anyway who Langston were, the club had already paid them millions too, so the Dalman comment about " good governance is total bollocks "

If you owe an off shore company money and you have a signed contract of repayment it does not matter a dimly squat who owns the Company.


My own point of view, was, what does it matter now, if SH is proved to be Langston?? So what's your take on it Daya? Why were the payments stopped in the first place and why have they now now agreed to pay in full? Even if Sam admitted he is Langston?


Ron Noades died December 2013, hence why the club tried in on there after.
They have agreed to pay now as they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court.


So are you saying that Ron Noades was part of Langston and that Tan was happy to pay him, as he nothing to do with running up the debt in the first place, but as soon as he departed this mortal coil, Tan was not so happy to carry on paying SH?

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:52 pm

Ron noades died December 2013 and at that stage Cardiff City stopped paying ?

Ron Noades was Langston.

The Noades, Hammam combination and workings is there for all to see if you look deep enough into it.

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:53 pm

Daya wrote:Ron noades died December 2013 and at that stage Cardiff City stopped paying ?

Ron Noades was Langston.

The Noades, Hammam combination and workings is there for all to see if you look deep enough into it.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-story-how-cardiff-city-10821125

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:54 pm

Daya wrote:Ron noades died December 2013 and at that stage Cardiff City stopped paying ?

Ron Noades was Langston.

The Noades, Hammam combination and workings is there for all to see if you look deep enough into it.


That's as good an explanation/theory as any I've heard, it makes a lot of sense :thumbup:

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:54 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Took 7hrs for things to get back to normal regarding Langston/sam guess subject will never die now? :o


It's there in black and white, this is what the club solicitor has stated :-

“Who was behind a Panama-based company, with nominal directors and a base in Switzerland? The key to moving things on was finally getting Mr Hammam to admit in litigation that he was in fact Langston. That was the major factor from the club’s perspective anyway."

Re: Where does it state the Langston confession ?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:04 pm

Daya wrote:Ron noades died December 2013 and at that stage Cardiff City stopped paying ?

Ron Noades was Langston.

The Noades, Hammam combination and workings is there for all to see if you look deep enough into it.


Payments continued until late in 2014