26th richest? Yes but quite skint in Jan window!

An interesting read about them down the road. Seems like they are hog-tied when it comes to spending.

Still precarious even though there's £100m+ income per year. Unbelievable!!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... um=twitter

Worth a look.

Swansea City's finances explained: Why the 26th richest club in football can't afford to gamble with transfers

72 million in wages

72 million in wages

Mind blowing! And they are cheap payers??? Bloody hell.

They are so heavily reliant on TV revenue. I know most prem clubs are but their other income can't be any higher than ours...

72 million in wages

wez guess have same problem we had , need to pay premium rates to get players to sign.

They are so heavily reliant on TV revenue. I know most prem clubs are but their other income can't be any higher than ours...

only need see dugout seats sponsors, low cost vans i believe! at least we have bmw brand

72 million in wages

wez guess have same problem we had , need to pay premium rates to get players to sign.

That's probably the case which is why they seem to shop abroad most of the time. It's tough for any club going up and it is about to get a whole lot tougher. The more money available via tv etc, the more agents want to charge for their players.

I'm not a Tan fan as most of us will agree, but without a sponsor to dole out cash, it's almost a non-starter. Swansea are an exception but that comes at a price.

72 million in wages

wez guess have same problem we had , need to pay premium rates to get players to sign.

That's probably the case which is why they seem to shop abroad most of the time. It's tough for any club going up and it is about to get a whole lot tougher. The more money available via tv etc, the more agents want to charge for their players.

I'm not a Tan fan as most of us will agree, but without a sponsor to dole out cash, it's almost a non-starter. Swansea are an exception but that comes at a price.

I think without a sponsor or expansion to their stadium they will drop further and further down until they get relegated ,they have punched above their weight for a few years now

72 million in wages

wez guess have same problem we had , need to pay premium rates to get players to sign.

That's probably the case which is why they seem to shop abroad most of the time. It's tough for any club going up and it is about to get a whole lot tougher. The more money available via tv etc, the more agents want to charge for their players.

I'm not a Tan fan as most of us will agree, but without a sponsor to dole out cash, it's almost a non-starter. Swansea are an exception but that comes at a price.

I think without a sponsor or expansion to their stadium they will drop further and further down until they get relegated ,they have punched above their weight for a few years now

The trouble is the club has been run so carefully that the board and the fans seem reluctant to accept outside investment. In the long run it could cause problems as you say.

Bad boy jettisoned
New tactical genius at the helm
£8m striker in
One more in before 11pm

I wouldn't worry too much about us, we'll be fine

Bad boy jettisoned
New tactical genius at the helm
£8m striker in
One more in before 11pm

I wouldn't worry too much about us, we'll be fine

Sure.

Bad boy jettisoned
New tactical genius at the helm
£8m striker in
One more in before 11pm

I wouldn't worry too much about us, we'll be fine

Tactical genius? Bet you didn't have a clue who he was before like the rest of us.

Bad boy jettisoned
New tactical genius at the helm
£8m striker in
One more in before 11pm

I wouldn't worry too much about us, we'll be fine

Sure.

It'll take us longer but growing organically is our preferred way forward, having a billionaire isn't all it's made out to be

Bad boy jettisoned
New tactical genius at the helm
£8m striker in
One more in before 11pm

I wouldn't worry too much about us, we'll be fine

Tactical genius? Bet you didn't have a clue who he was before like the rest of us.

True

Bad boy jettisoned
New tactical genius at the helm
£8m striker in
One more in before 11pm

I wouldn't worry too much about us, we'll be fine

Tactical genius? Bet you didn't have a clue who he was before like the rest of us.

True

Think before you speak then you dull c**t.

No need of that, I admited I hadn't heard of him before his appointment but the more I read a see, the more I like

I knew your fella was a league one plodder before he was appointed your manager, nothing's change

No need of that, I admited I hadn't heard of him before his appointment but the more I read a see, the more I like

I knew your fella was a league one plodder before he was appointed your manager, nothing's change

Oi don' be mean about our Russ

That cheating fecker Leroy Fer is the other signing, on loan apparently.

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

there directors and shareholders have had dividends each year recently

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Any tiny little opportunity you get to say what you have done and we haven't, you can't get it off your chest any quicker!

Life moves on. Football moves on. You've been luckily spoilt with good times over the last five years whereas we haven't. We've taken that on the chin. Right now you're not doing great. So rather than brag about the past and slag off us, open your eyes and focus on what is happening right now. You're not as great as you've made out to be.

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Let me explain...

"?" is a question mark. Its purpose is to ask a question. ""So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? "

Fans don't get into football to make money but most owners do. The purpose of the question was to ask if one of the best run clubs, five successful seasons into the the highest ever TV rights can't sign anybody then what is the point of pawning the family silver to get into the premier league ?

This is a Cardiff forum, so there is a Cardiff tint on the post.

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Any tiny little opportunity you get to say what you have done and we haven't, you can't get it off your chest any quicker!

Life moves on. Football moves on. You've been luckily spoilt with good times over the last five years whereas we haven't. We've taken that on the chin. Right now you're not doing great. So rather than brag about the past and slag off us, open your eyes and focus on what is happening right now. You're not as great as you've made out to be.

I'm not slagging you off at all? Why would i need to do that? But as a point of order, your basically agreeing with me!

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Any tiny little opportunity you get to say what you have done and we haven't, you can't get it off your chest any quicker!

Life moves on. Football moves on. You've been luckily spoilt with good times over the last five years whereas we haven't. We've taken that on the chin. Right now you're not doing great. So rather than brag about the past and slag off us, open your eyes and focus on what is happening right now. You're not as great as you've made out to be.

I'm not slagging you off at all? Why would i need to do that? But as a point of order, your basically agreeing with me!

Yes you are. Nothing was mentioned about your accomplishments, yet you couldn't wait to say it all at once.

f**k off back to your own forum you silly c**t.

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Let me explain...

"?" is a question mark. Its purpose is to ask a question. ""So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? "

Fans don't get into football to make money but most owners do. The purpose of the question was to ask if one of the best run clubs, five successful seasons into the the highest ever TV rights can't sign anybody then what is the point of pawning the family silver to get into the premier league ?

This is a Cardiff forum, so there is a Cardiff tint on the post.

Yes I fully understood what you posted the first time, so no need to run it by me again. So let me point it out to you in more laymans terms seeing as you didn't grasp my original reply. Being in the premier league for a club like Swansea City is not about making money is it. It's about being the best you can be for as long as you can be. We are not, or never will be some global brand/corporation (call it what you like), so our time in the sun is one that fans of the club will cherish for the rest of their lives. We've been there done it savoured it and loved every minute. When it ends it ends, we haven't pawned silverware as we had none. If your going down that route, then you borrowed family silverware then spunked it up the wall for a miserable 9 months!

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Any tiny little opportunity you get to say what you have done and we haven't, you can't get it off your chest any quicker!

Life moves on. Football moves on. You've been luckily spoilt with good times over the last five years whereas we haven't. We've taken that on the chin. Right now you're not doing great. So rather than brag about the past and slag off us, open your eyes and focus on what is happening right now. You're not as great as you've made out to be.

I'm not slagging you off at all? Why would i need to do that? But as a point of order, your basically agreeing with me!

Yes you are. Nothing was mentioned about your accomplishments, yet you couldn't wait to say it all at once.

f**k off back to your own forum you silly c**t.

The reason I mentioned our accomplishments was in response to a claim of "what have we got to show for our time in the premier league" I was merely pointing out that it's not about making money. It wasn't too rub your face in it. But seeing as you took it as such i'll take it as a bonus!

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Any tiny little opportunity you get to say what you have done and we haven't, you can't get it off your chest any quicker!

Life moves on. Football moves on. You've been luckily spoilt with good times over the last five years whereas we haven't. We've taken that on the chin. Right now you're not doing great. So rather than brag about the past and slag off us, open your eyes and focus on what is happening right now. You're not as great as you've made out to be.

I'm not slagging you off at all? Why would i need to do that? But as a point of order, your basically agreeing with me!

Yes you are. Nothing was mentioned about your accomplishments, yet you couldn't wait to say it all at once.

f**k off back to your own forum you silly c**t.

The reason I mentioned our accomplishments was in response to a claim of "what have we got to show for our time in the premier league" I was merely pointing out that it's not about making money. It wasn't too rub your face in it. But seeing as you took it as such i'll take it as a bonus!

Crack on son. Hopefully see you later this year.

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Let me explain...

"?" is a question mark. Its purpose is to ask a question. ""So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? "

Fans don't get into football to make money but most owners do. The purpose of the question was to ask if one of the best run clubs, five successful seasons into the the highest ever TV rights can't sign anybody then what is the point of pawning the family silver to get into the premier league ?

This is a Cardiff forum, so there is a Cardiff tint on the post.

Yes I fully understood what you posted the first time, so no need to run it by me again. So let me point it out to you in more laymans terms seeing as you didn't grasp my original reply. Being in the premier league for a club like Swansea City is not about making money is it. It's about being the best you can be for as long as you can be. We are not, or never will be some global brand/corporation (call it what you like), so our time in the sun is one that fans of the club will cherish for the rest of their lives. We've been there done it savoured it and loved every minute. When it ends it ends, we haven't pawned silverware as we had none. If your going down that route, then you borrowed family silverware then spunked it up the wall for a miserable 9 months!

Quote (64Jack): "If your going down that route, then you borrowed family silverware then spunked it up the wall for a miserable 9 months!"

I think you need to look back at the catalyst for your club's Phoenix-like rise from the ashes before making daft statements like the one above, fella, even if provoked. The FACT remains that we haven't 'stitched' anyone up and currently (particularly after today's agreement) our creditors are, uhm, all in-house and not spread around our trusting community!

The Jacks are supposedly very well run and their chairman get loads of plaudits.

So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?

At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper.

Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there.

I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months.

What a truly bizarre post!

"So at what point do you make money in the premier league if you are not a player or agent ? What do they have to show for their time (probably a few more seasons yet) a new training ground, what was that about 10 million?"

You do realise we have spent five years in the premier league, winning a major trophy, played in the Europa league, beaten Man Utd three times on the trot, have an equal record of wins to losses ratio against Arsenal, beaten Valencia 0-3 at the Mestalla Stadium, plus beaten all of the top teams on at least more than one occasion, sometimes at their own gaff! That's memories in fans lives that will never be forgotten for the rest of their lives! That's what we have to show for it!

"At least their season ticket prices reflect the local area in price, but it still could be cheaper."

Why should they be cheaper, if it reflects the local area in price? That's a hell of contradiction my friend!

"Why do clubs run up huge debts to get into the premier league, when it doesn't get you any money in real terms when you get there."

Ermm we didn't, you did.

"I think we must have made a little profit when we were there then squandered by Ole in a mad 8 months."

Think again, the damage was well and truly done well before Ollie came along!

Any tiny little opportunity you get to say what you have done and we haven't, you can't get it off your chest any quicker!

Life moves on. Football moves on. You've been luckily spoilt with good times over the last five years whereas we haven't. We've taken that on the chin. Right now you're not doing great. So rather than brag about the past and slag off us, open your eyes and focus on what is happening right now. You're not as great as you've made out to be.

I'm not slagging you off at all? Why would i need to do that? But as a point of order, your basically agreeing with me!

Yes you are. Nothing was mentioned about your accomplishments, yet you couldn't wait to say it all at once.

f**k off back to your own forum you silly c**t.

The reason I mentioned our accomplishments was in response to a claim of "what have we got to show for our time in the premier league" I was merely pointing out that it's not about making money. It wasn't too rub your face in it. But seeing as you took it as such i'll take it as a bonus!

Crack on son. Hopefully see you later this year.

If it happens it happens. Love a derby me! Get a much better buzz turning you lot over than Man Utd! That's football, not making money!